Will the Spurs unload Bonner during the year to save money by the end of the year?

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

You are so far off base it is not even funny. You keep saying how I am clueless and far-fetched, and that you cannot believe you argued with someone as clueless as me.

Seems you need a mirror.

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I said clueless one time and I apologized. I said the scenario for Bonner being salary dumped is far-fetched not you.

So you know the Kings and what they will do, free agency and how it will play out, you know the Spurs FO and how likely each scenario is.

Damn.

might as well pack it in dpg, not going to make any headway with this one.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

It is not a forgone conclusion that they will dump Bonner. They might dump other players. But there are a few scenarios where it makes perfect sense.

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What other scenario's than the one's I pointed out?

As I stated above :

If Blair ends up living up to his ROY candidate projections on ST.
and If Mahimni or Haislip earn and take over Bonner's minutes by December.

then I can see Bonner being let go.


That's a lot to ask for. And is far-fetched.

Any other scenario?

You need to go back and read the "Nocioni thread". I don't get why you consider someone coming in and averaging 8 PTS, 4.8 REB, .32 BLKS and .58 STLS is so hard to accomplish, either with a combo of players splitting minutes (Ian/Theo/Blair/Haislip) or with a different line up where Bonner won't be used very much (small ball with TP/Mason/Manu/RJ/Duncan).

Bonner is not some irreplaceable piece. I am fairly confident that the combo of Ian/Blair/Theo can grab 4.8 REBS a game. If so, Bonner can be traded and his limited minutes split between Ian/Blair/Theo

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

You need to go back and read the "Nocioni thread". I don't get why you consider someone coming in and averaging 8 PTS, 4.8 REB, .32 BLKS and .58 STLS is so hard to accomplish, either with a combo of players splitting minutes (Ian/Theo/Blair/Haislip) or with a different line up where Bonner won't be used very much (small ball with TP/Mason/Manu/RJ/Duncan).

Bonner is not some irreplaceable piece. I am fairly confident that the combo of Ian/Blair/Theo can grab 4.8 REBS a game. If so, Bonner can be traded and his limited minutes split between Ian/Blair/Theo

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I'm not a Bonner fan. I just know Pop and R.C value him a lot higher than everyone on here including myself. This was evident when they gave him 10 million dollars for riding the bench after the title in 2007.

They value how he spreads the floor, his shot selection, his work ethic, the way he competes.

Haislip and Mahimni are going to have to really really impress Pop and R.C for them to think about letting Bonner go in a salary dump most specifically.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

You need to go back and read the "Nocioni thread". I don't get why you consider someone coming in and averaging 8 PTS, 4.8 REB, .32 BLKS and .58 STLS is so hard to accomplish, either with a combo of players splitting minutes (Ian/Theo/Blair/Haislip) or with a different line up where Bonner won't be used very much (small ball with TP/Mason/Manu/RJ/Duncan).

Bonner is not some irreplaceable piece. I am fairly confident that the combo of Ian/Blair/Theo can grab 4.8 REBS a game. If so, Bonner can be traded and his limited minutes split between Ian/Blair/Theo

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Perhaps later in the season, but why? Out of all the big men on the roster, only he and Timmy have chemistry and experience, with each other on either end and under Popovich. I expect fairly smooth transitions for Dyess and Ratliff, but Blair kinda, Haislip and especially Ian are question marks right now. And Bonner is in his prime. Our big men - at least the ones that aren't currently question marks - are old, man. Bonner can eat up a lot of minutes during the regular season and then get them cut back some in the playoffs.

Also, it seems like you think I hate Bonner or don't value his role. I wouldn't be upset if he stays and get minutes. If he helps, then fine. I am not saying ship him out at all costs.

I am saying I could see it happening and I would fully understand.

Although for the right piece I can see them trading Bonner/ Mason or Bonner / Finley/ Williams + Mahimni for a big or a two-guard at the deadline.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

I'm not a Bonner fan. I just know Pop and R.C value him a lot higher than everyone on here including myself. This was evident when they gave him 10 million dollars for riding the bench after the title in 2007.

They value how he spreads the floor, his shot selection, his work ethic, the way he competes.

Haislip and Mahimni are going to have to really really impress Pop and R.C for them to think about letting Bonner go in a salary dump most specifically.

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Then why did they bring in Drew Gooden? Why did Haislip get signed? Why did Anthony Tolliver get so many chances?

He is valuable, and I defended him all last year. But if it comes down to saving some serious money and the team feels comfortable, it could happen.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Then why did they bring in Drew Gooden? Why did Haislip get signed? Why did Anthony Tolliver get so many chances?

Because Gooden/ Haislip and Tolliver all were signed for the minimum and were low risk/ high reward signings.

He is valuable, and I defended him all last year. But if it comes down to saving some serious money and the team feels comfortable, it could happen.

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Because Gooden/ Haislip and Tolliver all were signed for the minimum and were low risk/ high reward signings.

Why did Pop start Bonner the majority of the year?

I'm not a Bonner fan. It's just obvious Pop values him higher than everyone on here.

He had to start him. Oberto was out, KT cannot handle the minutes.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Clueless is a bit much yes. But it is far fetched for a scenario to play out to where Bonner being dumped mid-way through the year for salary reasons.

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Well, all that's really left to debate is the limits of far-fetchedness, if such a word exists.

For the Spurs to consider a Bonner salary dump you need two basic conditions to develop:

1. Bonner falls out of the rotation. This should be acceptable to most here as something that could very well happen, either through poor performance by Bonner or good performances by one or more of the bigs who are under cheap contracts for 2010-11.

2. Spurs have no weaknesses severe enough to justify a trade, especially one that adds salary for 2010-11. This is the weak link in the salary dump scenario. With so many unknowns going into the season one must be very optimistic to expect that no glaring holes will develop by the deadline.

If those two conditions are met, then the Spurs need a trade partner with enough cap space or a large enough trade exception to make it work. The Spurs send enough money to pay the remainder of Bonner's salary plus an agreeable fee for services rendered. This could be more money, future draft picks, the rights to current draft picks, or some combination. Minnesota took Beno for a 500K fee. Memphis charged Denver a first round pick to take Steven Hunter this summer. Depending on the deal, the Spurs could save as much as the 3.2M in lux tax they would have to pay if Bonner is on the roster at the end of the year.

If I had to place a bet today, I would bet on Bonner staying with the Spurs until his contract expires. A big who can shoot the 3 has a place on the Spurs and Haislip is the only candidate to supplant Bonner from that role.

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Originally Posted by MaNu4Tres

Why did Pop start Bonner the majority of the year?

It's just obvious Pop values him higher than everyone on here.

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Pop just knows how to correctly evaluate his player.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

He had to start him. Oberto was out, KT cannot handle the minutes.

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Over Gooden? Oberto wasn't out the whole year. Kurt could have handled Bonner's 23 mpg too.

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Originally Posted by z0sa

Pop just knows how to correctly evaluate his player.

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Roger Mason at PG says hello. Pop played the hand he was dealt last year. Spurs did not have the talent.

You guys are acting like if the Spurs had Tiago and McDyess last year that Bonner would have been playing as many minutes.

Bonner did fine in his role, he was just not suited for it. He is not that player. I don't care if he starts or comes off of the bench, it is about minutes played.

Here is hoping

Dude, Gooden was there for 19 games. He had no time to learn anything. KT could not have handled starters minutes. And you are saying Oberto was not out for the entire year? The guy had serious medical problems, even if he was there.

if the spurs could dump bonner for a second rounder, they would have done it already.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Roger Mason at PG says hello. Pop played the hand he was dealt last year. Spurs did not have the talent.

You guys are acting like if the Spurs had Tiago and McDyess last year that Bonner would have been playing as many minutes.

Bonner did fine in his role, he was just not suited for it. He is not that player. I don't care if he starts or comes off of the bench, it is about minutes played.

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This topic is on Bonner being unloaded mid-way in the year to save money.

Not on his role.

It is very unlikely that Bonner would be traded to save money in my opinion, due to what would have to happen for that to take place as I stated above.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Roger Mason at PG says hello. Pop played the hand he was dealt last year. Spurs did not have the talent.

You guys are acting like if the Spurs had Tiago and McDyess last year that Bonner would have been playing as many minutes.

Bonner did fine in his role, he was just not suited for it. He is not that player. I don't care if he starts or comes off of the bench, it is about minutes played.

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C'mon now. let's admit it: Pop was playing games last season. Seeing what worked and what didn't. Stretching certain players' abilities as far as he could make them. He wanted to see who would hold up and what roles could be filled. Neither Mason nor Bonner did when it mattered. That's why Hill didn't play til later, when it may have been too late. Pop had to find out if we needed something big, and he needed to show Holt and the rest of the owners if it was true. So we made big moves, and Mason will go back to being spot up shooter and so will Bonner.

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Let's not confuse their situations, which are very different. Bonner is still in his prime and can still earn a lot of minutes early with his knowledge of the system, especially on defense. He just needs to stroke a few 3's to hold onto substantial minutes and a role. Is the ownership truly that desperate for financial relief? Why the foray into the luxury tax, then?

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Dude, Gooden was there for 19 games. He had no time to learn anything. KT could not have handled starters minutes. And you are saying Oberto was not out for the entire year? The guy had serious medical problems, even if he was there.

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So was Nazr Mohammed in 2005, who took Rasho's minutes.

Kurt Thomas could have handled 23 minutes a game.

Pop just thinks of Bonner differently than everyone on here including myself.

I'm not a fan of Bonner. I'm just thinking realistically. Pop and R.C value Bonner more than we do.

That is another reason why Bonner being salary dumped is far-fetched.

Well, it is just speculation and I am not changing your mind. I am just stating opinion from the other thread that spiraled into this.

Hopefully, you guys are here! I'm getting so entertained at work =p

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Originally Posted by z0sa

I'm very excited to see what the Bonner storyline is this season. I believe his minutes will be decent to start out, less than last year's average of course, but they'll also be his to lose. Continue playing good defense and hitting the three ball, and improve his rebounding a bit, and Bonner will have a solid role in the rotation.

Ahem, I almost forgot about the actual question. Are you insane? Bonner is a great guy to have around. He's underpaid IMO. I'm confident he'll continue contributing. This isn't the Bonner of old, he was a contributor last season .. and it's not like Dyess and Timmy are young.

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Bonner was very valuable in our 2009 Playoff run and Pop really knows what he's doing.

He's won 4 titles you know.