Obama vs. Fox News

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Where did you hear that?

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This is an excerpt from an article in the NYT from October 17th.

Even though almost all the critiques contained a kernel of truth, in each instance the folks who had the barrels of ink, and now pixels, seemed to come out ahead. So far, the only winner in this latest dispute seems to be Fox News. Ratings are up 20 percent this year, and the network basked for a week in the antagonism of a sitting president.

It could all be written off as a sideshow, but it may present a genuine problem for Mr. Obama, who took great pains during the campaign to depict himself as being above the fray of over-heated partisan squabbling. In his victory speech he promised, “I will listen to you, especially when we disagree.”

Or not. Under the direction of Ms. Dunn, the administration has begun to punch back. On Sept. 20, the president visited all the Sunday talk shows save Fox News’, with Ms. Dunn explaining that Fox was not a legitimate news organization, but a “wing of the Republican Party.”
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I've also heard this on various news reports in the last couple of days.

I wonder if this is the modren equivalent to book burnings.Dissedent and decadent tracts being publicly burned........I think this is inciting hate not to put to fine a point on it.

So this year, not "since this began."

I believe it.

English is hard, huh Crook?

Here's another little snippet from the Baltimore Sun:

"I had to chuckle at the article "Fight between Obama White House and Fox News continues, with no clear winner in sight" (Oct. 20)

No clear winner in sight? Fox's ratings are up almost 20 percent this year, and President Obama's job approval has plummeted 20 percent this year. The winner couldn't be more clear."

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

So this year, not "since this began."

I believe it.

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Okay - okay - so it's for the year. Sorry about that - that part wasn't mentioned in the newscasts (and no, it wasn't Fox News). They just reported on the story and said the ratings were up 20%.

But hey - at least I googled it and got some information.

Which newscasts?

This is like the Al Capone school of statesmanship.

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Originally Posted by hope4dopes

This is like the Al Capone school of statesmanship.

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In what way is it like Al Capone?

FAUX News is like a bloody train-wreck, everybody wants to see but then you really regret after...everybody knows what FAUX News is about, liberals laugh, moderates are dumbfounded and wing-nuts hear their 2010 battle-cry...

....if they could only vote for Glenn BecKKK and Limpbaugh it would be a match made in hell...but good luck trying to get GOP congressional approval ratings above their dismal levels of what? 30%... as long as talk-radio is in charge of the GOP....

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

WH opinion of Fox is psyops? Maybe.

The information war is unavoidable. If policies can't be made to satisfy the people, the people must be bent to the policy somehow.

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You're right that's how it works, but in the spirit of the Constitution I don't think the founding fathers had in mind the WH telling the people whom they should deem credible and whom they shouldn't.

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Singling out Fox looks clunky, but I don't think Obama chose the wrong target, or that he did so impulsively.

Fox News is his obvious MSM enemy.

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No doubt. Fox won't tell the story like he wants it to be told, so he's trying to discredit them and persuade people to not watch them anymore. That's all well and good for talk show hosts and chatboard posters, but it's something that I think the POTUS has a duty to stay above.

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Fox will have to take considerable pains to refute this impression, but honestly, I don't think they have the heart to do it, and really, who would be fooled?

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Actually I doubt Fox has any intention to try and refute it. Fox has carved a niche for themselves and all Obama did was reinforce that niche'.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

You're right that's how it works, but in the spirit of the Constitution I don't think the founding fathers had in mind the WH telling the people whom they should deem credible and whom they shouldn't.



No doubt. Fox won't tell the story like he wants it to be told, so he's trying to discredit them and persuade people to not watch them anymore. That's all well and good for talk show hosts and chatboard posters, but it's something that I think the POTUS has a duty to stay above.



Actually I doubt Fox has any intention to try and refute it. Fox has carved a niche for themselves and all Obama did was reinforce that niche'.

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true words.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

FAUX News is like a bloody train-wreck, everybody wants to see but then you really regret after...everybody knows what FAUX News is about, liberals laugh, moderates are dumbfounded and wing-nuts hear their 2010 battle-cry...

....if they could only vote for Glenn BecKKK and Limpbaugh it would be a match made in hell...but good luck trying to get GOP congressional approval ratings above their dismal levels of what? 30%... as long as talk-radio is in charge of the GOP....

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So when's your book burning this saturday if it doesn't rain?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

In what way is it like Al Capone?

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go find a banana.:sleep

al capone lol

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That's all well and good for talk show hosts and chatboard posters, but it's something that I think the POTUS has a duty to stay above.

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I wish he would stay above it too. We'll see how it works out. I don't think it's any big tragedy for Obama, Fox or the American people, though.

..niches don't elect squat...the GOP went with FAUX in 2006 and lost their asses off...they went with promises of a GOP recoup in 2008 and again lost their asses...now FAUX News is saying that they'll recoup one or both houses in 2010...obviously, they haven't learned their lesson yet....

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Originally Posted by hope4dopes

go find a banana.:sleep

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You said it was like Al Capone.

In what way is it like Al Capone?

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Actually I doubt Fox has any intention to try and refute it. Fox has carved a niche for themselves and all Obama did was reinforce that niche'.

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I think he meant to.

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Originally Posted by Winehole23

I wish he would stay above it too. We'll see how it works out. I don't think it's any big tragedy for Obama, Fox or the American people, though.

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True, the Obama worshipers weren't watching Fox to begin with and the Fox watchers aren't going to quit watching just because Obama thinks they should.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

..niches don't elect squat...the GOP went with FAUX in 2006 and lost their asses off...they went with promises of a GOP recoup in 2008 and again lost their asses...now FAUX News is saying that they'll recoup one or both houses in 2010...obviously, they haven't learned their lesson yet....

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Then why is the WH going to such extremes to silence them and assasinate them, the DNC doesn't share your rosy picture of 2010. It seems there is alot of democrats not on board this bus.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

..niches don't elect squat...the GOP went with FAUX in 2006 and lost their asses off...they went with promises of a GOP recoup in 2008 and again lost their asses...now FAUX News is saying that they'll recoup one or both houses in 2010...obviously, they haven't learned their lesson yet....

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Fox doesn't give a damn who gets elected. All they care about is people tuning in to watch. And they're the best in the business at it.

Like I said, a train wreck...

i watch fox all the time. have for years.