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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
Actually, Manny just insulted you. I don't think it had anything to do with me. I had already replied to you on my own account, so it can't really be argued that Manny came in as a white night. He more pissed sideways on you, gtown.
You're right, Manny came in feces a' flyin. I don't hate him. Just being the chimp he's supposed to be no surprises here. Any asshole can come here and pound their chest, fling poo and screech, but it takes a real chimp like Manny to kiss your highness.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
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Originally Posted by Iggy
Any asshole can come here and pound their chest, fling poo and screech...
Don't sell yourself short, gtown. You're a tremendous asshole.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
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Originally Posted by
Ignignokt
so you're for lower taxes, and a regressive economic model.:toast
Pretty much. In this respect, I'm a straight up reactionary.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
With our mounting debt and social entitlements, I realize lower taxes aren't in the cards; the most I can really hope for is that spending will be cut while taxes go up.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
Why the fuck would a 10 year old care about gay marriage? I'm thinking this kid was probably brainwashed and/or encouraged by his parents to do this stunt. How many little kids care about politics especially gay marriage? Little kids shouldn't worry about that crap. They should enjoy being kids as long as they can.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
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Originally Posted by
Ignignokt
You're right, Manny came in feces a' flyin. I don't hate him. Just being the chimp he's supposed to be no surprises here. Any asshole can come here and pound their chest, fling poo and screech, but it takes a real chimp like Manny to kiss your highness.
I never said a word about winehole. I'm pretty sure the only one wishing someone would kiss their ass here is you. Jesus man, I know you hate people playing forum psychology but you make it so easy. You're obviously insecure as hell on a lot of fronts and just want someone to praise you.
Must suck to be you.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
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Originally Posted by
Jacob1983
Why the fuck would a 10 year old care about gay marriage? I'm thinking this kid was probably brainwashed and/or encouraged by his parents to do this stunt.
"With liberty and justice for all"...maybe the kid is precocious and thought about what the phrase means. Maybe you haven't got around to thinking about it yet, Jacob.
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Originally Posted by Jacob1983
How many little kids care about politics especially gay marriage? Little kids shouldn't worry about that crap. They should enjoy being kids as long as they can.
Childhood is needlessly prolonged and young adults excessively infantilized. There's no set age at which a person grows up and no need, IMO, to prolong the indignity of dependency or the innocence that accompanies it.
Children will worry about whatever they want; IMHO parents shouldn't place stumbling blocks before self-regulation, maturity and principled ambition, but instead support them, at whatever age these traits arise.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
By being around a loving homosexual couple that the child realizes to be indistinguishable from his parents (or perhaps they are his parents) and learning in those interactions that the homosexual couple is legally prohibited from marrying, it's quite plausible to me that the child could develop his own belief that such a prohibition is unjust. The thought that a child would empathize with injustice only if told to do so by adults strikes me as fairly ridiculous; children seem to have inherent senses of justice about, unburdened by race, religion, sexual orientation, gender, or anything else. Two kids playing in a sandbox don't care that one is a girl and black and the other a boy and Jewish.
And the notion of a 10 year old using that sense of inherent injustice to become politically active seems quite plausible to me.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
Speaks Russian, in French. Nice post, FWD.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
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Originally Posted by
MannyIsGod
I never said a word about winehole. I'm pretty sure the only one wishing someone would kiss their ass here is you. Jesus man, I know you hate people playing forum psychology but you make it so easy. You're obviously insecure as hell on a lot of fronts and just want someone to praise you.
Must suck to be you.
:lol
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Originally Posted by
MannyIsGod
Projection. Hows that for forum psychology?
hypocrite much.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
Why is it when liberals project it's ok, but when conservatives do, there's lots of bitching?
Yet while you can pin point to this thread about me bitching about it, that would be at the expense of history when ppl like WH23 and Chump would do it constantly.
Infact, there doesn't go a day where WH doesn't do this to micca (bitch about projecting, then going ahead and projecting).
And about ass kissing, you've got it backwards. I never have the need for anyone to come defend me here, that's the forum progressive tactic.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
Don't blame it on ideology. You and micca make easy targets of yourselves not for your beliefs, but your boorishness.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
You miss the point. I could give a flip about the pledge.
But I do think people should know a little more about it, and, perhaps, to consider what it means in historical context. That would really be enough for me.
Good point, Winehole.
In junior high, I chose to stop reciting the pledge of allegiance.
And while I stand silently and respectfully, I do not place my hand over my heart when the national anthemn is being played.
Even as a kid in junior high, it bothered me that saying the pledge of allegiance, as it seemed to be an empty exercise... an observance of tradition rather than an act of meaningful substance.
I take seriously saying to anyone words such as " I pledge my allegiance".
No one was able to make plain to me what exactly I was agreeing to/ promising by saying the pledge of allegiance and so I stopped saying it.
I am not going to pledge anything to anyone blindly.
Furthermore, I believe it is unwise to promise umwavering loyalty to any man.
What if our forefathers had not rebelled against the British? We wouldn't even be discussing the validity of the American pledge of allegiance today.
If, for example, it ever becomes unlawful for people to preach the Christian Gospel, I will break that law daily and without a moment's hesistation.
Knowing that, I cannot in good conscience pledge allegiance to the flag because my only everlasting, unwavering allegiance is with Jesus.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
Good on you, angel_luv. You reflected on the tradition and what it means. That's not too common. :tu
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
Don't blame it on ideology. You and micca make easy targets of yourselves not for your beliefs, but your boorishness.
Silly, where did you read in my post that Liberalism is to blame? I just pointed out that a certain segment of liberal posters here have this "team" concept on the board that is petty.
For instance you've projected about me on this thread, i projected towards you to prove your absurdity, yet i get called out on it.
Life is unfair, that's what you'll say. I don't expect this to be corrected. :rollin I have no forum cop to run to!:lmao
Just pointing out, that Manny's bull had nothing to do with projection, etc, He even admitted it. He just projected whatever thought he had about me and my personality, ironincally and blathered other nonsense.
What a bunch of sissy whiny crybabies you all are.:lol
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
Good on you, angel_luv. You reflected on the tradition and what it means. That's not too common. :tu
People have reflected upon it, it's just not what you want to hear.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
Have some pride in being an American. Put your hand over your heart and recite the damn thing. Quit trying to make stupid political busllshit statements by saying this is UN- AMERICAN. That can't be farther from the truth.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
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Originally Posted by
jack sommerset
Have some pride in being an American. Put your hand over your heart and recite the damn thing. Quit trying to make stupid political busllshit statements by saying this is UN- AMERICAN. That can't be farther from the truth.
is it american to conform?
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
Calling the Pledge of Allegiance un-American is not more than a demonstration of the modern egophanic, eccentric and childish ways.
The Pledge of Allegiance is merely ceremonial and not an affirmation of religious faith or a particular political creed.
The idea that "marriage" is a right is bizarre in itself.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
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Originally Posted by
Ignignokt
:lol
hypocrite much.
When I make the same type of posts you do then your argument will have some legs to stand on. There's a fundamental difference in what we post and it has nothing to do with ideology. To put it another way, I've never had to make a new screen name because my posting privileges were limited due to quality of my posts.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
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Originally Posted by mogrovejo
Calling the Pledge of Allegiance un-American is not more than a demonstration of the modern egophanic, eccentric and childish ways.
No more or less egophanic than what you just said, in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by mogrovejo
The Pledge of Allegiance is merely ceremonial and not an affirmation of religious faith or a particular political creed.
To hear the bleating and caterwauling over Obama not putting his hand on his heart, or over court decisions regarding the pledge one might think otherwise, but I agree with you.
In form it is an oath, however, and it seems to me essentially uncontroversial to point out that loyalty oaths for citizens are somewhat inconsistent with republican values.
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Originally Posted by mogrovejo
The idea that "marriage" is a right is bizarre in itself.
Sure.
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
An argument could be made that a person does not have the Heart of America if they disown the pledge.
To pledge allegiance, is not to be subordinate, but a patriot. One is saying they are loyal to America. Loyal to the meaning of the flag with it's red for the blood shed to make this nation, the white for the purity of purpose, and the blue for the valor of the men who fought for this nation. Loyal to the republic. The republic is the sovereignty of the subdivisions of the nation. States rights, country rights, and individual rights.
I guess since democrats believe in the elitist democracy, and national control, that's why so many argue about such values. Would they pledge to a yellow flag?
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
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Originally Posted by WildCobra
An argument could be made that a person does not have the Heart of America if they disown the pledge.
Where do you get this Heart of America stuff? What does it even mean?
http://sscakery.com/images/heart%20o...%20%287%29.jpgb
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Re: Michael Lind: The Pledge of Allegiance is un-American
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
Where do you get this Heart of America stuff? What does it even mean?
It's one of those things you have to feel to understand.