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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by DarrinS
I wasn't trying to turn this thread into one where I hash out all her policy stances and you, in turn, refute them.
Tough luck. You claimed Palin has conservative ideas. So far, you can't back it up. Should you continue to refuse to, that pretty much speaks for itself.
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
What are her good, conservative ideas?
Do you mean "good conservative ideas" like upping taxes on energy companies to boost the annual royalty check Alaskans receive from their state government?
Calling royalties "taxes" is either dishonest or ignorant (unless it's explicitly stated that they are severance taxes).
There is nothing un-conservative about what Palin did with the oil companies. In fact, quite the opposite.
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
Tough luck. You claimed Palin has conservative ideas. So far, you can't back it up. Should you continue to refuse to, that pretty much speaks for itself.
You're right. She's the most progressive candidate EVER! In fact, the Dems should be tripping over themselves trying to get her to switch sides.
Congratulations! You have won an argument I had no intention of having. Go celebrate with a nice chardonnay or a good cab.
:toast
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
now she reads the papers !
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by
mogrovejo
Calling royalties "taxes" is either dishonest or ignorant (unless it's explicitly stated that they are severance taxes).
I don't see how wealth is any the less socialized whether you call it tax or royalty.
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Originally Posted by mogrovejo
There is nothing un-conservative about what Palin did with the oil companies. In fact, quite the opposite.
I'll bite. Care to flesh this out?
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by
DarrinS
You have won an argument I had no intention of having.
If you want to avoid arguments, you shouldn't make claims you can't back up.
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
.. we have not had a progressive president since LBJ. palin would be just another in the long line of neoliberals we have had since carter started this economic trend and reagan took off with it. obama belongs on that list and palin would fall right in line.
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
The problem with factchecking The Audacity of Hope is that there are basically no facts to check. How can one fact-check meaningless platitudes and endless clichés? If ones want to stretch it, I suppose one could fact-check pretty much the underlying theme of the book - for example, the idea that (paraphrasing) "America is more weak and broken than at any time since WWII" or that "in recent years we lost the civility that have always reigned in DC".
But even considering this, I can easily point factual lies off the top of my head: his claim that the majority of national debt is a "direct" result of Bush tax cuts (I hope I don't need to explain why is this a lie) or his claim about the declining funding of the national health institutes during the Bush administration when it actually increased by absurd sums.
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
Maybe you can tell me what's so conservative about Sarah Palin, mogrovejo. I have a hard time seeing it.
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
I don't see how wealth is any the less socialized whether you call it tax or royalty.
As I said, it was either dishonesty or ignorance. If you don't see it, it's ignorance. What's exactly the "wealth" being "socialized"?
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
I'll bite. Care to flesh this out?
This what?
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
Let me get this right...
If Obama institutes a 'royalty' on all companies of a 5% of their income in order to finance universal healthcare, then conservatives would be OK with this?
Furthermore, it would be totally in-line with conservative ideals?
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by
mogrovejo
As I said, it was either dishonesty or ignorance. If you don't see it, it's ignorance. What's exactly the "wealth" being "socialized"?
If the sovereign increases the royalty, the company must pay more. What it pays is money. How is that not wealth? Functionally, how is it any different from taxation?
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Originally Posted by mogrovejo
This what?
What is intrinsically conservative about giving money Alaska takes from oil companies directly to its residents?
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
If the sovereign increases the royalty, the company must pay more. What it pays is money. How is that not wealth? Functionally, how is it any different from taxation?
I still don't understand what is the wealth being socialized - do you mean the oil? The profits from the oil exploration? And of course companies don't need to pay more.
A tax is the confiscation of the property of a particular industry, a royalty is a price for the use of an asset. This is extremely basic.
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
What is intrinsically conservative about giving money Alaska takes from oil companies directly to its residents?
Accordingly to the Constitution, the state of Alaska owns their sub-soil resources. To whom they should give the money that results from that? To you? To the oil companies?
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by mogrovejo
A tax is the confiscation of the property of a particular industry, a royalty is a price for the use of an asset. This is extremely basic.
The result is the same, but I see your point.
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by
Jacob1983
Why do people give this attention whore attention? Honestly, if the news and media would just ignore this bitch, she would go away.
Just proves she has a good future. Some people lover her, and the others love to hate her.
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
Drill here, drill now.
Whether private companies ought to be allowed to exploit public nature preserves doesn't strike me as an intrinsically ideological dispute, though no doubt it became one.
Do you think that the saying is only applying to Alaska? The ideological dispute might have something to do with laws by liberals trying to increase the oil and gas prices to get people to use less.
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
Maybe you can tell me what's so conservative about Sarah Palin, mogrovejo. I have a hard time seeing it.
Do you mean what has she done already, or what are her stated conservative principles? I think I can help but need to know what exactly you don't understand.
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by
Winehole23
The result is the same, but I see your point.
No, it's not the same. They constitute completely different incentives. Case in point is precisely Gov. Palin's decision when compared with the far-left, namely Obama, to implement windfall profits taxes on oil companies: the later is a great incentive to inefficiency and puts the subjects at a competitive disadvantage, the royalty takes effect after the break-even price and is an incentive for oil companies to produce more efficiently, maintain their areas (remember the Exxon spill?) and start exploring the leased lands that otherwise they'd ignore (as it actually happened).
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
The anti-Palin columns of the last two days are like your guidebook to identifying the second-hander hacks that populate the opinion world.
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
Using that particular photo in the cover and the entire article are a hatchet-job - those denying it are obviously allowing their political passions to prejudice their judgement.
Nothing to see here though: Newsweek is a quickly declining magazine, on the brink of disappearing, trying to sell itself to the niche of far-left radicals to survive (for the record, I believe they'll fail). I don't think anyone still sees Newsweek as an "impartial" news outlet.
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
I wish she would just go away. She brings out the worst in both her conservative supporters and her liberal critics.
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by
mogrovejo
Using that particular photo in the cover and the entire article are a hatchet-job - those denying it are obviously allowing their political passions to prejudice their judgement.
Nothing to see here though: Newsweek is a quickly declining magazine, on the brink of disappearing, trying to sell itself to the niche of far-left radicals to survive (for the record, I believe they'll fail). I don't think anyone still sees Newsweek as an "impartial" news outlet.
i didn't even know there were any impartial news outlets.
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by
rjv
i didn't even know there were any impartial news outlets.
LOL, you just stole my thought...
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by
mogrovejo
Using that particular photo in the cover and the entire article are a hatchet-job - those denying it are obviously allowing their political passions to prejudice their judgement.
Nothing to see here though: Newsweek is a quickly declining magazine, on the brink of disappearing, trying to sell itself to the niche of far-left radicals to survive (for the record, I believe they'll fail). I don't think anyone still sees Newsweek as an "impartial" news outlet.
Why is Palin supposed to be immune to harsh criticism? I don't get this from her followers at all. It's a lot like the god complex they built around Bush years ago when you weren't a real American if you knew Bush and Cheney were full of shit and said so.
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Re: P Turns Heads for Devoting 11 Reporters to Palin Book 'Fact Check'
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Originally Posted by
baseline bum
Why is Palin supposed to be immune to harsh criticism? I don't get this from her followers at all. It's a lot like the god complex they built around Bush years ago when you weren't a real American if you knew Bush and Cheney were full of shit and said so.
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