Obama "We noticed"

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

:rollin :lmao :lmao

I don't owe you anything... certainly not a list things to 'prove' whether or not I'm a Patriot.

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Yet you demand the same from others.

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Take your cynicism elsewhere.

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Take your hypocrisy elsewhere.

:lmao Your devil's advocate position is rather predictable...

If you're anything like your internet persona in real life... I'd be surprised that anyone would want to put up with you...

You mock everything.
You snicker at everything.
You've mastered cynicism to an artform.
You're a semantical freak.
You must argue everything to death.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Yet you demand the same from others.

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Obama is an elected official. The same standard doesn't apply to me nor is my life a matter of public record. If you can't understand the difference... that's not my problem... all I was saying was that what I do is none of your business. What Obama does as a representative of our nation is everyone's business.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Take your hypocrisy elsewhere.

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Again,
Obama is an elected official. No hypocrisy here.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

:lmao You're devil's advocate position is rather predictable...

If you're anything like your internet persona in real life... I'd be surprised that anyone would want to put up with you...

You mock everything.
You snicker at everything.
You've mastered cynicism to an artform.
You're a semantical freak.
You must argue everything to death.

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:lmao

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

:lmao You're devil's advocate position is rather predictable...

If you're anything like your internet persona in real life... I'd be surprised that anyone would want to put up with you...

You mock everything.

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I mock the mockable. it's not my fault you fall under that category.

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You snicker at everything.

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Untrue.

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You've mastered cynicism to an artform.

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I'm actually quite crude at it. There are other posters who are much better in expressing cynicism.

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You're a semantical freak.

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Imprecision in language leaves much to interpretation. People post stupid shit here.

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You must argue everything to death.

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To my knowledge, no one ever died from posting here.

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Obama is an elected official. The same standard doesn't apply to me nor is my life a matter of public record. If you can't understand the difference... that's not my problem... all I was saying was that what I do is none of your business. What Obama does as a representative of our nation is everyone's business.

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You are moving the goalposts here. You made no such qualification about elected officials previous to being called out.

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Originally Posted by You

Placing our hand over the heart is a throwaway gesture? It should be automatic during the Pledge of Allegiance. The pledge itself is an observance that gives us the opportunity to take a moment from our day to honor some of the valued ideals of this nation.

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You and I are not elected officials. You made it your business to tell me what my actions should be during the pledge.

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Again,
Obama is an elected official. No hypocrisy here.

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Moving the goalposts after being exposed as a hypocrite is cowardly. Quick, do something else in response to this post so I can justifiably slap another label on you!

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

I mock the mockable.

it's not my fault you fall under that category.

Untrue.

I'm actually quite crude at it. There are other posters who are much better in expressing cynicism.

Imprecision in language leaves much to interpretation. People post stupid shit here.

To my knowledge, no one ever died from posting here.

You are moving the goalposts here. You made no such qualification about elected officials previous to being called out.

You and I are not elected officials. You made it your business to tell me what my actions should be during the pledge.

Moving the goalposts after being exposed as a hypocrite is cowardly. Quick, do something else in response to this post so I can justifiably slap another label on you!

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:lol

Getting you to write this much in a response means I struck a nerve... That was not my intent, but does serve to show that many of Obama's followers go out of their way in trying to defend him... particularly because I wasn't really throwing any stones at him moreso than being puzzled by his peculiar decision to deviate from tradition. It's only relevant if he did so willfully, a fact which we cannot ascertain, and one I noted. You didn't seem to care that this was my approach, one far more benign than you have painted it to be. The fact that I would even question Obama's actions was cause enough for you to react with disdain... Is Obama not accountable for his actions? Public or otherwise...? Some of you all act as if he is above questioning.

As for your assertion that "I cowardly moved the goalposts" that's a B.S. reach and you know it.

I was talking about the importance of the pledge in general, and suggested that just because the Pledge of Allegiance is a habit for many that it shouldn't be undermined. On the other hand, you felt inclined to suggest that its execution was a 'throwaway gesture'... and equated patriotism with pettiness. I never called you out for it, because frankly it's none of my business what you do or don't do during the pledge, or how patriotic you consider yourself to be.

When an elected official, however, particularly the one presiding over the highest seat in the land, deviates from tradition... it certainly beckons one to ask 'why?' The question itself is harmless. You wanting to brush off his actions as a clandestine triviality; is the heart of my whole argument. You just haven't realized it yet.

BTW people do 'die' from reading some of the same ol', stupid, blind, bipartisan arguments thrown around here everyday. It's a slow acting venom; but venom nonetheless. In fact some posters like buttons seem to have acquired degenerative Tourette's from it... which is why buttons_, and buttons deux later emerged but still retain much of the same bitterness...

you changed "everyone" to "elected officials".

freshman dodge.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

:lol

Getting you to write this much in a response means I struck a nerve... That was not my intent, but does serve to show that many of Obama's followers go out of their way in trying to defend him... particularly because I wasn't really throwing any stones at him moreso than being puzzled by his peculiar decision to deviate from tradition. It's only relevant if he did so willfully, a fact which we cannot ascertain, and one I noted. You didn't seem to care that this was my approach, one far more benign than you have painted it to be. The fact that I would even question Obama's actions was cause enough for you to react with disdain... Is Obama not accountable for his actions? Public or otherwise...? Some of you all act as if he is above questioning.

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Nah, I wouldn't give a shit if a Republican did the same thing. It's a throwaway gesture. Your outrage reminds me of the gay couple on Seinfeld when Kramer refused to wear an AIDS ribbon. It's entertaining.

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As for your assertion that "I cowardly moved the goalposts" that's a B.S. reach and you know it.

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No, it isn't. You were talking about how everyone should regard the pledge, not just public officials.

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I was talking about the importance of the pledge in general, and suggested that just because the Pledge of Allegiance is a habit for many that it shouldn't be undermined.

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Now it's a habit and the habits of others shouldn't be undermined? That's ridiculous.

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On the other hand, you felt inclined to suggest that its execution was a 'throwaway gesture'... and equated patriotism with pettiness.

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No, I equated your vivisection of anyone's actions regarding so-called displays of patriotism as petty.

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I never called you out for it, because frankly it's none of my business what you do or don't do during the pledge, or how patriotic you consider yourself to be.

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You stated how you wanted everyone to act, and I am included in that group.

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When an elected official, however, particularly the one presiding over the highest seat in the land, deviates from tradition... it certainly beckons one to ask 'why?' The question itself is harmless. You wanting to brush off his actions as a clandestine triviality; is the heart of my whole argument. You just haven't realized it yet.

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I agree you want it to be the heart of your argument after moving the goalposts. Truthfully, I don't care about anyone's reasons for their actions in such situations. You want to make it your business -- for everybody as you clearly stated, not just elected officials.

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BTW people do 'die' from reading some of the same 'ol, stupid, blind, bipartisan arguments thrown around here everyday. It's a slow acting venom; but venom nonetheless. In fact some posters like buttons seem to have acquired degenerative Tourette's from it... which is why buttons_, and buttons deux later emerged but still retain much of the same bitterness...

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I think he just forgot his password. Had he come back as a totally different personage like yoni tried, it would be different.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Nah, I wouldn't give a shit if a Republican did the same thing. It's a throwaway gesture. Your outrage reminds me of the gay couple on Seinfeld when Kramer refused to wear an AIDS ribbon. It's entertaining.

No, it isn't. You were talking about how everyone should regard the pledge, not just public officials.

Now it's a habit and the habits of others shouldn't be undermined? That's ridiculous.

No, I equated your vivisection of anyone's actions regarding so-called displays of patriotism as petty.

You stated how you wanted everyone to act, and I am included in that group.

I agree you want it to be the heart of your argument after moving the goalposts. Truthfully, I don't care about anyone's reasons for their actions in such situations. You want to make it your business -- for everybody as you clearly stated, not just elected officials.

I think he just forgot his password. Had he come back as a totally different personage like yoni tried, it would be different.

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No matter how hard you try to mask it...

What Obama did requires some form of explanation... He is the President of this Nation for crying out loud. He took an oath of loyalty to the ideals this nation... no matter how trivial as you wish this matter to be; the Pledge of Allegiance is part of our cultural heritage. It calls for a certain standard of deference. It's a tradition no elected official should take lightly. What's laughable is that despite all that, the questioning of Obama's action is rather harmless... Nonetheless, you seem to take great offence from it.

Like I said, I could care less what you do with the pledge... you took my initial comment way out of context (as usual). I was making the point that the 'gesture' is automatic to Americans not so much because of what the pledge represents but becuase it's a remanant vestige of public schooling. Ideally though, people should contemplate the significance of the pledge itself... that's why I said they should honor it. Somehow you spun this around to mean something else... not one iota of which justifies Obama's slip up. To me, as I've already mentioned... the only justification would be if his mind was elsewhere... it happens. If not, well.....

Seriously, your altercated state is rather bemusing. :lol :lol

i like how you keep saying "elected official".

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

No matter how hard you try to mask it...

What Obama did requires some form of explanation...

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Only to people iwth bugs up their asses about it like you.

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Like I said, I could care less what you do with the pledge...

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Except you do care and post about what everyone should do during the pledge.

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Seriously, your altercated state is rather bemusing. :lol :lol

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Seriously, your attempt to distance yourself from your own argument is rather amusing. :lol :lol :lol (see, I had three of them, so it's funnier to me)

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Originally Posted by clambake

i like how you keep saying "elected official".

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I like how you never have anything meaningful to add to a discussion...

(sig that one...) :toast

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Only to people iwth bugs up their asses about it like you.

Except you do care and post about what everyone should do during the pledge.

Seriously, your attempt to distance yourself from your own argument is rather amusing. :lol :lol :lol (see, I had three of them, so it's funnier to me)

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Please, get over yourself...

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Please, get over yourself...

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You're the one who really cares about everyone else's perceived displays of patriotism. Perhaps you should get over that.

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

I like how you never have anything meaningful to add to a discussion...

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you don't like it when people call you out, do you?

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(sig that one...) :toast

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i prefer the one i have now. it's like you performed your character autopsy for us to see.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

And you personally believe all of the dark and gloomy connotations?

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I can't understand how any person with a little knowledge of modern history wouldn't.

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Originally Posted by clambake

you don't like it when people call you out, do you?

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I don't like when someone's misperceived interpretation of my comment becomes the basis for their argument...

Besides, CD's stubborness is nothing new... especially after being told he was taking my comment out of context to reach for a point that was never there. Conveniently it was, but only in his mind.

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Originally Posted by clambake

i prefer the one i have now. it's like you performed your character autopsy for us to see.

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suit yourself... :wakeup

:lmao obsess much?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

You're the one who really cares about everyone else's perceived displays of patriotism. Perhaps you should get over that.

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Sure, I care about what my President does... and about our country's many traditions...

Thanks for being the incarnation of my earlier comment. You literally believe BHO to be above reproach. :wakeup

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Originally Posted by mogrovejo

I can't understand how any person with a little knowledge of modern history wouldn't.

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:lmao

Get scared! Get really scared!

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

Sure, I care about what my President does... and about our country's many traditions...

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And everyone else.

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Thanks for being the incarnation of my earlier comment. You literally believe BHO to be above reproach. :wakeup

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No, I just don't care about this particular issue at all. For anybody. I just want people to be quiet and still during that time if they aren't going to do anything else. That's it.

Thanks for proving my point that you care about it for everybody. You literally believe that everyone should conform like good little patriotbots and anyone deviating from your standards must be agents of Satan.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

And everyone else.

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So you're going to stick to your story huh? :blah :blah :blah :blah

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

No, I just don't care about this particular issue at all. For anybody. I just want people to be quiet and still during that time if they aren't going to do anything else. That's it.

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I got it... So by making this blanket statement you continue to justify Obama's deviation from tradition (even though it's the first of such blunder by a U.S. President that I know of )... and literally believe such deviation to be a "throwaway gesture"? Did you have to go in circles to just come out and say that..? Something we knew, check that, the only thing the apologists could come and say in his defense...

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Thanks for proving my point that you care about it for everybody. You literally believe that everyone should conform like good little patriotbots and anyone deviating from your standards must be agents of Satan.

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This point only lingers in your head... solely fabricated by your desire to make one. I said no such thing, and the fact that you would try and twist this point into some sort of 'demonic' issue... as a way of undermining a valid questioning of the President's actions... demonstrates the extent of your Obama 'homerism'... but hey, keep it coming, dig yourself irrefutably deeper into that label. (Now hurry! come out and twist these phrases too... it's your cynical specialty)....

:wakeup

demons on patriotism. where do they stand?

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Originally Posted by Phenomanul

I like how you never have anything meaningful to add to a discussion...

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Exhibit #9,220 below...

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Originally Posted by clambake

demons on patriotism. where do they stand?

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Making something mandatory is such a ridiculous notion on so many levels. For one, it removes any meaning it might possibly had. Who cares what people do when they're forced to do it because its when its not forced that it might actually have some meaning.

I also don't need someone else telling me I need to show the state some mandatory form of respect. Frankly, thats fucking outrageous.

i bet you regret ever saying that out loud, because you keep backing away from it.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Making something mandatory is such a ridiculous notion on so many levels. For one, it removes any meaning it might possibly had. Who cares what people do when they're forced to do it because its when its not forced that it might actually have some meaning.

I also don't need someone else telling me I need to show the state some mandatory form of respect. Frankly, thats fucking outrageous.

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Ditto.