Guantánamo Won’t Close by January, Obama Says

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

Translated: Since I am unable to refute anything you said about blue team I will create a diversion by pointing the finger at red team.

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translation: I'll go on pretending I can read Obama's mind...

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Originally Posted by mogrovejo

Sure, but the kind of person who says "I take him seriously because he's the president" or "because I like him" aren't part, by definition, of a civilized conversation.

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Much of so-called civilized conversation is little more than a mask for such preferences.

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Originally Posted by mogrovejo

Objectively, one can assess the credibility of a particular individual using valid arguments and not resorting to fallacies.

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Sure.

For better and for worse, in America such argumentation is of very little moment, politically speaking. Political discourse here is not a intellectual salon.

Nor is SpursTalk, for that matter.

En serio, do you expect it to be, mogrovejo?

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

translation: I'll go on pretending I can read Obama's mind...

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translation: I still can't refute anything you said.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

translation: I still can't refute anything you said.

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you can't prove he lied dummy.

you want me to refute your opinion? something you just made up?

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

translation: I still can't refute anything you said.

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Mr. Obama ordered the closing of Guantánamo as one of his first acts as president, but his plans to transfer some of its 200 remaining inmates to other countries or to trial or detention in the United States have been stymied by vocal opposition from Democrats and Republicans in Congress, as well as residents who live close to prisons that could house terrorists.

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he can still close it if he wants dummy..

I'll give him props for setting in gear the mechanisms to actually get it closed.
He could have sit on his ass and done nothing about it.
However, I'll only be pleased about Gitmo the day they actually do close it for good.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I'll give him props for setting in gear the mechanisms to actually get it closed.
He could have sit on his ass and done nothing about it.
However, I'll only be pleased about Gitmo the day they actually do close it for good.

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Oh brother. Wow a prison that holds bad guys! Lets close all of them. Lets let all the bad guys out. :lol

Gitmo is nothing but a political card that repugs and dems can fight over. It really is silly that people want it closed. Pick something better to fight over instead of fighting over something we spent hundreds of millions of dollars on to keep the bad guys off our island.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

you can't prove he lied dummy.

you want me to refute your opinion? something you just made up?

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I never said he lied. I said that the democrats wienied out on closing gitmo. That's not an opinion. That's a fact.

The only opinion I offered was that I think it's foolish to believe that Obama "saw the wisdon of not shutting it down as quickly as his initial intentions" shortly after his own party stepped in to tell him that he couldn't. It's kinda like a guy asking out a girl, getting turned down and then trying to tell his friends that he didn't want to go out with her in the first place. Personally, I'm not buying it. But you're free to, and evidently are.

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Originally Posted by George Gervin's Afro

he can still close it if he wants dummy..

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Only if he can convince his own party to go through with it. Which he'll eventually succeed in doing, given enough time and enough pork.

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Originally Posted by coyotes_geek

I never said he lied. I said that the democrats wienied out on closing gitmo. That's not an opinion. That's a fact.

The only opinion I offered was that I think it's foolish to believe that Obama "saw the wisdon of not shutting it down as quickly as his initial intentions" shortly after his own party stepped in to tell him that he couldn't. It's kinda like a guy asking out a girl, getting turned down and then trying to tell his friends that he didn't want to go out with her in the first place. Personally, I'm not buying it. But you're free to, and evidently are.



Only if he can convince his own party to go through with it. Which he'll eventually succeed in doing, given enough time and enough pork.

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My point is he changed his mind because he could have still done it without congress.