Did Christianity Cause the Crash?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

What specifically did you find idiotic about it?

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Even though the title is in question format, it's insinuations are clear.

First of all, the prosperity gospel is only a minor segment of christianity overall.

Second of all, she's basically by levying the charge is agreeing w/ Joel Osteen that Christianity is the prosperity gospel.

Pretty retarded.

Also, no data was used to back any of her claims.

Unless you count the latino surveys. So now that means, Latino Osteens caused the crisis.. ROFL!

On top of that, she talks out of both sides of her mouth saying that the Prosperity Gospel is a prevalent trend and is now more popular than any other teaching, and then that There's an enormous backlash.

See, she covered all bases.

I'd actually like to see the full results of that Pew poll, and if it is an ongoing one.

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Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant

That is, I don't fancy myself to be a neo-progressive scrotum sucker like whottt.

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Don't get mad at me...get mad at hole, he's the one neeeded the explanation. I was fully prepared to let you take it as a compliment.

The article if filled with nice anecdotes, but where's the beef?

The idiocy of the inter-correlation between "poor classes->prosperity gospel" + "poor classes->foreclosures" <-> "prosperity gospel -> foreclosures" is quite astounding.

Is prosperity gospel (that I've never heard till this day) any popular in Iceland?

This is just a variation of the mantra that "top executives got too greedy", now presented in the form "poor religious people got too greedy". Financial crisis have been happening for centuries.

I've listened to that Joel Olsteen man. He preaches good things.

I do get kind of baffled/pissed when I see huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge churches on prime real estate though.

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Originally Posted by word

That would be Joel Olsteen. He cracks me up with this 'god WANTS you to have that new car. He WANTS you to have that new house.'

Uhmm, no, he doesn't. He doesn't even care. God told you exactly what he wants you to do. The teachings of christianity are replete with warnings of love for material possessions and greed, rather than love for god and your fellow man. I would assume most if not all religions warn of this...barring of course the 'Church' of Scientology, which isn't really a religion at all.

But, more power to 'em I guess. But I don't think they are big enough in number to affect anything. Not like Muslims aren't out to make a buck. Or Catholics, or Hindu's....athiests....Mormons.

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That's a bit of a stretch.

I've watched/listened to him on a number of occasions and he pulls from biblical examples of Abraham, Joseph, Job and a few others to say "see, when you are obedient, God will deliver."

I don't recall ever hearing him say "God says to go buy that car from McCombs for $0 down and just $299 a month"

He's more of a motivational speaker, imo.

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Originally Posted by EmptyMan

I do get kind of baffled/pissed when I see huuuuuuuuuuuuuuge churches on prime real estate though.

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or ones that come complete with shopping malls and coffee shops.

"mega-churches"

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Originally Posted by mogrovejo

Financial crisis have been happening for centuries.

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They have been infrequent here, and people forget what they're like.

When they do occur, the explanations are mostly mythological or superstitious, like the title of the OP.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Which non-Christians are that? I read the article kind of quickly, did the author or any of the quoted parties declared themselves to be non-Christian?

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The author is Jewish, and she's a liberal. I don't know if it's funnier that she doesn't see her own bias, or that you don't. Or hell...that Marcus Bryant doesn't.

Yes I have checked that information out. No I didn't before making the original statement.

Nor does she seem to realize that:

A. Organized religions have always been about financial prosperity. That's what they do, they harness the financial power of religion. Judaism pretty much invented the concept.


B. She doesn't even realize that it's the turn towards Judaism that bothers her the most.

C. Christianity is less materialistic than either Judaism or Islam...they just happen to be wealthier inspite of that. Maybe Jesus was on to something...


In any case, just about every other religious movement does something similar, nice of her to keep eye on the christians and let them know if they are doing a good job or not though.

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Originally Posted by whottt

C. Christianity is less materialistic than either Judaism or Islam...they just happen to be wealthier inspite of that. Maybe Jesus was on to something...

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right. That's why Jesus was filthy rich right before they crucified him.

of course, you still have me on ignore so you aren't reading a word I say....

...sidebar here....

has whottt ever explained his username? is it pronouced 'who ttt' or is it pronounced like 'what'

You're not going to become rich because you believe in God and Jesus and worship them. When you think about it, the only thing you really get from them is a ticket to Heaven. When you're dead, that will probably come in handy.

Stupid thread. Greed caused the crash...greed causes war.....poverty....most social ills

MB is just another GOD hater looking for an excuse and religion is convenient...

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Originally Posted by Blake

right. That's why Jesus was filthy rich right before they crucified him.

of course, you still have me on ignore so you aren't reading a word I say...

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Yes you are on ignore, sometimes stuff still gets through.

Link to me saying Jesus was poor? Link to me saying Christianity will make you poor? On the contrary, I said the movement as a whole appears to be the richest of them all. I just said it was the least materialistic of them all. I didn't say it was the poorest. I then said maybe Jesus was on to something...and you posted something stupid that showed you had little or no understanding of what I said.

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...sidebar here....

has whottt ever explained his username? is it pronouced 'who ttt' or is it pronounced like 'what'

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It"s wo + the 3t sound.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

Stupid thread. Greed caused the crash...greed causes war.....poverty....most social ills

MB is just another GOD hater looking for an excuse and religion is convenient...

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Speaking of greed Mr. Dan. How'd that whole alternate political forum for 50k turn out?

Ironic isn't it...you being the only poster on this forum who has turned his politics into a net profit?

You little Hannity you.

....Hey, I've posted plenty of opportunities for everyone if they would just learn to read between the lines, such as my 87% hit rate for my predictions for 2005...including the two hurricanes that hit New Orleans and Galveston..

...I just learned to use that ability for fun and profit....

...that's not wrong, that's American...

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

....Hey, I've posted plenty of opportunities for everyone if they would just learn to read between the lines, such as my 87% hit rate for my predictions for 2005...including the two hurricanes that hit New Orleans and Galveston..

...I just learned to use that ability for fun and profit....

...that's not wrong, that's American...

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I don't have a problem with it. Props in fact :tu

Have you shared that money with any poor people?

Everyday...

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Originally Posted by whottt

Yes you are on ignore, sometimes stuff still gets through.

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I'm betting sometimes you just can't help but click off the ignore.

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Link to me saying Jesus was poor? Link to me saying Christianity will make you poor?

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Link to me saying that you are saying Jesus was poor? Link to me saying that you are saying that Christianity will make you poor?

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On the contrary, I said the movement as a whole appears to be the richest of them all. I just said it was the least materialistic of them all. I didn't say it was the poorest. I then said maybe Jesus was on to something...and you posted something stupid that showed you had little or no understanding of what I said.

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what do you think Jesus was maybe on to in regards to this movement appearing to be the richest of them all?

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

Everyday...

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Isn't that the best way to do it? Without the middle man?


You see you can have that sort of Neo-Tribalism under a capitalistic democratic government...ya can't in any other system, at least not in the modern world.


Really...all the rich people that are in favor of Universal Health Care, should go meet with all the poor people in favor of Universal Health care..and get it done.

No need for the Government to be the middle man, it will only result in less money getting to where it needs to go.

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Originally Posted by whottt

Really...all the rich people that are in favor of Universal Health Care, should go meet with all the poor people in favor of Universal Health care..and get it done.

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do you feel that the middle class should not be involved in such decision making?

are you going to ask me for link showing you where you said "the middle class should not be involved in such decision making"?

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Originally Posted by whottt

Isn't that the best way to do it? Without the middle man?


You see you can have that sort of Neo-Tribalism under a capitalistic democratic government...ya can't in any other system, at least not in the modern world.


Really...all the rich people that are in favor of Universal Health Care, should go meet with all the poor people in favor of Universal Health care..and get it done.

No need for the Government to be the middle man, it will only result in less money getting to where it needs to go.

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I may be a liberal at heart, but I don't think anyone able to perform a job should get anything for free...at the same time, it is our obligation as a responsible non-third-world nation to make sure that everyone is healthy enough to become productive citizens...

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Originally Posted by Blake

do you feel that the middle class should not be involved in such decision making?

are you going to ask me for link showing you where you said "the middle class should not be involved in such decision making"?

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No I'm not going to ask for that...you are too stupid to notice why that comes off as a question and your other statement came off as a rebuff to a point that evidentally no one was making...

The day you figure out that difference, is the day you will probably make it off ignore and likely not be referred to as the stupidest poster on the board...by more than one person.

In answer to your question...

What purpose would they serve by being involved? For themselves or anyone else?

I guess I am just asking you, why should they be involved? Why should they involve themselves?

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

I may be a liberal at heart, but I don't think anyone able to perform a job should get anything for free...at the same time, it is our obligation as a responsible non-third-world nation to make sure that everyone is healthy enough to become productive citizens...

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I don't. Because I don't think everyone wants to become productive citizens. That is a misguided assumption.

You aren't going to make the problem better by putting a middle man in it. Especially one that's holding both the cash and the drugs.

You make it better by getting rid of the middle man that is already there...the HMO's, insurance companies,.


We have always had doctors, it's the HMO's and insurance companies that are the new thing making it so expensive.

Get rid of the cash holding mechanisms and you not only make it less expensive, you get rid of the shitty doctors that are only doing it for the cash.

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Originally Posted by whottt

The day you figure out that difference, is the day you will probably make it off ignore and likely not be referred to as the stupidest poster on the board...by more than one person.

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Putting posters on ignore is a sign of ownage or weakness. It shows you lack the ability to prove your point so you would rather eject altogether.

All I've really ever seen in about 99% of your posts is a lot of hot air with little substance.

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In answer to your question...

What purpose would they serve by being involved? For themselves or anyone else?

I guess I am just asking you, why should they be involved? Why should they involve themselves?

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Many middle class individuals are unhappy with their current health care and see a subsidized health care system as a means of lowering their costs.

Why would you not involve them?

What do you think Jesus was on to in regards to the movement?

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Originally Posted by Blake

Putting posters on ignore is a sign of ownage or weakness. It shows you lack the ability to prove your point so you would rather eject altogether.

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Not when I do it, I do it because they are overwhelmingly stupid.

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All I've really ever seen in about 99% of your posts is a lot of hot air with little substance.

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I don't really care.

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Many middle class individuals are unhappy with their current health care and see a subsidized health care system as a means of lowering their costs.

Why would you not involve them?

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It's not up to me to dictate who is involved or who isn't...anyone that wants to be involved can be involved, anyone that doesn't shouldn't have too.

I would say to the middle class that want the Universal Healthcare, go over and ask the rich to give it to you. And if they give a yes, contratulations,. And if they give a you a no...oh well.

Because the only other people to get it from would be the middle class that don't want it, to recieve it, or to pay for it. And since they are the same as you, not richer, not poorer, you have absolutely no basis for taking anything from them.

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What do you think Jesus was on to in regards to the movement?

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Anwersing that would make me a pastor, and since I have no desire to be one, I'll let someone else make that interpretation for you. I imagine you will have no problem finding the answer you want to hear.