Well, looks like they got their 60 votes in the senate for "health care"

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

It's going to take reconciliation to pass the full Senate vote and overcome the health-profit industry's ownerhship of Ben Nelson, etc.

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Obama would only use reconciliation if the bill were good enough to put his name on it, and that is almost certainly not going to happen.

This bill is a dog.

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

My understanding is they still don't have the votes. They just have votes to get it out of committee.

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Once it's out of committee, it only needs 51 votes to actually pass on a vote on the floor of the Senate. If it can't be bottled up in committee and stopped there, it can't be stopped. Every Republican, Lieberman, and the Blue Dogs can all vote against it, and it will still probably pass with 54-55 votes.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Once it's out of committee, it only needs 51 votes to actually pass on a vote on the floor of the Senate. If it can't be bottled up in committee and stopped there, it can't be stopped. Every Republican, Lieberman, and the Blue Dogs can all vote against it, and it will still probably pass with 54-55 votes.

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You knew this day was coming for months. Sad day for Americans.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

The amount of senators stating that they know it's going to be a shitty bill but "don''t worry" it's a work in progress is absolutely disgusting. You can't write a decent bill but you want us to trust you to "come back and fix it?"

Fuck

You!

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Fuck You. If conservatives weren't unpatriotic, lying, obstructionist cowards- the Democrats could've put together better bills, in both the Houser and Senate. Too bad conservatives hate America so much. Truly.

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Originally Posted by balli

Fuck You. If conservatives weren't unpatriotic, lying, obstructionist cowards- the Democrats could've put together better bills, in both the Houser and Senate. Too bad conservatives hate America so much. Truly.

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Don't kid yourself, man. The GOP had no part in how terrible this bill turned out.

I actually have no idea if the Senate bill is terrible or not. All I know that the rhetoric from the right has been obscene. And thus I don't need to know much about the bill.

I know conservatives set fire to everything they touch. They are wrong about everything. Every single thing. Just that they would be so opposed to this bill and have gone to such hate-filled lengths to distort and maim the debate, tells me that I can feel good about supporting it. If conservatives liked it, it wouldn't exist, or it would be bad for America. That's all I know.

And at the very least, I know that if the GOP hadn't so muddied the debate with lies, or made the political climate so toxic with hate and fear mongering, Democrats wouldn't feel compelled to jam through what they know amounts to a less than perfect bill.

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Originally Posted by balli

I actually have no idea if the Senate bill is terrible or not. All I know that the rhetoric from the right has been obscene. And thus I don't need to know much about the bill.

I know conservatives set fire to everything they touch. They are wrong about everything. Every single thing. They destroyed America, in 8 short years. Just that they would be so opposed to this bill and have gone to such hate-filled lengths to distort and maim the debate, tells me that I can feel good about supporting it. If conservatives liked it, it wouldn't exist, or it would be bad for America. That's all I know.

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I can appreciate your passion, but you're making the mistake of believing that Dems are, by design, better than Republicans. On the surface Dem rhetoric is more palatable, but try to remember that Clinton bombed innocents to take the focus off his blow-job.

Putting your faith in a party -- even putting your faith in a politician -- is a recipe for heartbreak.

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Originally Posted by balli

I actually have no idea if the Senate bill is terrible or not. .

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Duh. You might be. If not, you are in top 5 of the dumbest motherfuckers on this board. :lol Keep on posting dumbass!

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

Duh. You might be. If not, you are in top 5 of the dumbest motherfuckers on this board. :lol Keep on posting dumbass!

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Said the pot to the kettle :lol

...Coming from the Einstein who "noticed" a chain letter.

All I know jackoff is that the democrats don't have America's collapse on their hands. The GOP does. You people are dishonest. Your rhetoric is pointedly hateful and genuinely anti-American. You have no integrity. Or a record of accomplishment to stand on.

I've been busy. I've not read anything healthcare related since the house bill. I don't really need to. The opposition has not earned my trust. In fact, they've earned (and I do mean earned) my automatic distrust.

Maybe as the admiral alluded to the democrats will break my heart? Might could be, but as long as we're talking about faith, I'll take my chances. I'm damn sure not going to get fleeced by the GOP.

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Originally Posted by balli

All I know jackoff is that the democrats don't have America's collapse on their hands. The GOP does. You people are dishonest. Your rhetoric is pointedly hateful and genuinely anti-American. You have no integrity. Or a record of accomplishment to stand on.

I've been busy. I've not read anything healthcare related since the house bill. I don't really need to. The opposition has not earned my trust. In fact, they've earned (and I do mean earned) my automatic distrust.

Maybe as the admiral alluded to the democrats will break my heart? Might could be, but as long as we're talking about faith, I'll take my chances. I'm damn sure not going to get fleeced by the GOP.

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I'm a independent you fucking DUMBASS. :lol "You people" :lol "jackoff" :lol So witty! NOT

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Originally Posted by exstatic

Once it's out of committee, it only needs 51 votes to actually pass on a vote on the floor of the Senate. If it can't be bottled up in committee and stopped there, it can't be stopped. Every Republican, Lieberman, and the Blue Dogs can all vote against it, and it will still probably pass with 54-55 votes.

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True.

I can see some republicans helping it out of committee so that a vote finally happens, so America can see who the traitors to American values are. Nothing like an unpopular YES vote election time.

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Originally Posted by balli

Fuck You. If conservatives weren't unpatriotic, lying, obstructionist cowards- the Democrats could've put together better bills, in both the Houser and Senate. Too bad conservatives hate America so much. Truly.

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The have put together their own versions. The democrats wont let then see the light of day.

Too bad you hate America so much.

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Originally Posted by admiralsnackbar

Said the pot to the kettle :lol

...Coming from the Einstein who "noticed" a chain letter.

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Oh my goodness. I post a letter and that makes me a dumbass. STFU loser.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

Oh my goodness. I post a letter and that makes me a dumbass. STFU loser.

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Don't you love seeing double digit IQ's?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Don't you love seeing double digit IQ's?

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It has electrolytes.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

I'm a independent

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Whatever. I am too.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

Oh my goodness. I post a letter and that makes me a dumbass. STFU loser.

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You didn't even cite it as a letter, for one, Bub. And you stuck up for that pathetic GOP robot garbage, to boot! Now you're going to try to worm out of it and play the "independent" card? GTFO, pal! :lol

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Originally Posted by admiralsnackbar

You didn't even cite it as a letter, for one, Bub. And you stuck up for that pathetic GOP robot garbage, to boot! Now you're going to try to worm out of it and play the "independent" card? GTFO, pal! :lol

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Seems to me it proves he's not a partisan hack like you.

the welfare baby seems pretty upset today.

whats the matter, wc? did you eat all your government cheese?

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Originally Posted by Wild Cobra

Seems to me it proves he's not a partisan hack like you.

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:lol Wha? Dude... stick it in your rear.

You wish I was a partisan hack so you could put me in a box and define me, but if you check my posts you'll find I'm not an "Obamabot," as much as a person who's not seduced by easy characterizations like you are. If there was a Goldwater republican left in the party, I'd be singing their praises, but it's just Evangelical fascist dipshits now, so I guess I really am "independent."

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Originally Posted by admiralsnackbar

You didn't even cite it as a letter, for one, Bub. And you stuck up for that pathetic GOP robot garbage, to boot! Now you're going to try to worm out of it and play the "independent" card? GTFO, pal! :lol

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U are clueless. Good day fuckface.

chain letter jack

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

U are clueless. Good day fuckface.

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Good day yourself, Jack. Don't pretend to be something you aren't... you just undermine your position, amigo.:toast

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Originally Posted by balli

Fuck You. If conservatives weren't unpatriotic, lying, obstructionist cowards- the Democrats could've put together better bills, in both the Houser and Senate. Too bad conservatives hate America so much. Truly.

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they couldn't put together a better bill so they're racing to give it to us by the end of the year. that's some concept you and the "pro-americans" are going by. props.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Well if it's that important to you why haven't you already bought it for her? Now, you are going to pay for her "new" insurance anyway...if you REALLY think it's going to be free you are delusional.

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I wish. I can barely afford to insure my immediate family. Insurance for her is off the charts. And she still young to get medicare.

it won't be free but we'll all chip in. :tu senate