Well, looks like they got their 60 votes in the senate for "health care"

Props to Reid should this actually get done.

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Originally Posted by admiralsnackbar

It's true, but if you work your ass off for some company and they fold, why is it your fault that you suddenly don't have insurance?

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That is a great point. I just don't think what they are doing right now will actually fix that problem, or it will create many more problems. I also don't think this is something that will advance our culture or society. I worry at the already large notion of entitlement Americans already have becoming even larger.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Props to Reid should this actually get done.

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Yeah great job on buying peoples votes, and keeping it under 2400 pages. That is the work of a real patriot.

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

Yeah great job on buying peoples votes, and keeping it under 2400 pages. That is the work of a real patriot.

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Ah yes - you don't agree with what is being passed therefor Reid is not a patriot.

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

Yeah great job on buying peoples votes, and keeping it under 2400 pages. That is the work of a real patriot.

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:lmao

you are a dumbass.. get back to me when you can get a handle on how politics works...

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Originally Posted by Viva Las Espuelas

i need tires for my car to get to work to help your aunt so i see no difference, really. you can't have your cake and eat it.

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You can get your tires for probably $400-800, and they should last a couple of years. Her costs will be $500 a month and she has no job because she can't work. Not really close to the same.

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Originally Posted by exstatic

You can get your tires for probably $400-800, and they should last a couple of years. Her costs will be $500 a month and she has no job because she can't work. Not really close to the same.

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Not to mention tires are a luxury item. No one is going to die because he has to take the bus until the next paycheck.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

Ah yes - you don't agree with what is being passed therefor Reid is not a patriot.

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That is not what I meant. I was being facetious, on the idea that the bill, he himself says, is for the betterment of the country. Way to play the victim card so quickly.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

Not to mention tires are a luxury item. No one is going to die because he has to take the bus until the next paycheck.

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Just like you can save money by going to the Library to get free internet, there by putting that money you saved into helping out a poor family member who was victimized by the big bad American freedoms.

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

Just like you can save money by going to the Library to get free internet, there by putting that money you saved into helping out a poor family member who was victimized by the big bad American freedoms.

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So you agree that Viva's comparison was ridiculous?

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

So you agree that Viva's comparison was ridiculous?

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No. Yours is the ridiculous one. You are implying that someone will die without healthcare. That is not the case.

I assume that most of you that are so adamantly supporting universal health care at any cost are what I would call "young and idealistic". The funny thing is that you are EXACTLY the people that are going to pay for it...and pay for it...and pay for it a hundred time over in actual cash out of pocket, lost economic opportunity, unemployment or underemployment and inflation. Oh, I will have to pay my share for the next ten years or so, but after that my health care is gonna be on YOUR dime. I'll have assets and money in the bank to take care of myself and my family. You think it's "right" that the crackhead bumming change from you at the Valero deserves exactly the same health care that you do? That's the "moral" thing to do? Well be careful what you ask for dumb asses...that's exactly what you are gonna get. The wealth that gets spread around will be yours.

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

No. Yours is the ridiculous one. You are implying that someone will die without healthcare. That is not the case.

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Silly me. People with cancer should just pray their affliction away. Heart disease is all liberal propoganda. Diabetes and high blood pressure too.

Can't you young idealistic kids see the handwriting on the wall? All these new taxes on employers to pay for health care are gonna kill the "good" jobs you want to get after you "grow up". Retail and food service have already adapted. Except for a very few managers they just don't have full time employees. Period. You can expect more and more businesses to adapt this philosophy and/or go to contract employees with no benefits or employer obligations. For every action there is always an equal and opposite reaction. Avoiding onerous and unaffordable legislated employment benefits will be a logical and predictable reaction. Can you say unemployment/underemployment at 25%?

You know what happens every time you use your hyperbole as if it were a true argument? You lose credibility when it doesn't come true. The rest of the world works fine with universal health care but when we're on the cusp of adding a version that isn't anywhere near a single payer government run system everything is going to fall apart.

If our generation goes broke it won't be because of this CC. It will be because your generation put the bill off on EVERYTHING until our generation had to pay for it.

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

That is not what I meant. I was being facetious, on the idea that the bill, he himself says, is for the betterment of the country. Way to play the victim card so quickly.

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Victim? :lol

Reid surely isn't a victim here, so I'm not sure what you're talking about.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

You know what happens every time you use your hyperbole as if it were a true argument? You lose credibility when it doesn't come true. The rest of the world works fine with universal health care but when we're on the cusp of adding a version that isn't anywhere near a single payer government run system everything is going to fall apart.

If our generation goes broke it won't be because of this CC. It will be because your generation put the bill on YOUR generations SS off on EVERYTHING until our generation had to pay for it.

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Don't try to blame this shit on me Manny. I would have opted out of Social Security 40 years ago if I had that option. I have a deep and firm distrust of "government" having my best interests at heart.

And your generation WILL go broke because people like you still believe that there really is a free lunch that those "rich" people will pay for. Every time you vote for a politician that promises more and more freebies you are voting to kill your own financial opportunity. Remember, "rich" is a relative term. At some point in your lifetime anyone with a job will be "rich" and have a target on their back as a revenue generator for the next new and improved social program that buys votes from the uneducated, overpopulating masses who no longer have a need to be concerned about personal responsibility because the "gubment" takes care of them.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Don't try to blame this shit on me Manny. I would have opted out of Social Security 40 years ago if I had that option. I have a deep and firm distrust of "government" having my best interests at heart.

And your generation WILL go broke because people like you still believe that there really is a free lunch that those "rich" people will pay for. Every time you vote for a politician that promises more and more freebies you are voting to kill your own financial opportunity. Remember, "rich" is a relative term. At some point in your lifetime anyone with a job will be "rich" and have a target on their back as a revenue generator for the next new and improved social program that buys votes from the uneducated, overpopulating masses who no longer have a need to be concerned about personal responsibility because the "gubment" takes care of them.

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All of this rings hollow because your generation has run deficit after deficit after deficit after deficit. You've allowed this shit for so long and all I see now is opposition to a program you don't like even though its actually a way to fix the fuck up you and yours have left

See, this is probably a reason why you should never talk about younger/older or any generational bullshit. Your generation built the biggest glass house of all.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

And your generation WILL go broke

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We're already broke from the spending of previous generations. Nothing has really happened because of it yet because no one in the world can comprehend the US doing anything else economically.

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

All of this rings hollow because your generation has run deficit after deficit after deficit after deficit. You've allowed this shit for so long and all I see now is opposition to a program you don't like even though its actually a way to fix the fuck up you and yours have left

See, this is probably a reason why you should never talk about younger/older or any generational bullshit. Your generation built the biggest glass house of all.

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Are you fucking kidding? "Social Security" goes back to the 1930's. It's broke. Medicare goes back to the 1950's. It's broke. The "Great Society" and Medicaid and unlimited welfare goes back to the 1960's. It's broke. That wasn't my generation. All I've done is pay into the "trust fund" that wasn't a trust fund at all. The whole thing was a fucking ponzi scheme that makes Barney Madoff look like a small time grifter.

The reason health care is so expensive is because it's so good. There's a cure for almost everything, it's just all damned expensive. Hell, I can remember when I was a kid and if you heard someone had a heart attack your next question was "when is the funeral?" Bad knees, hips, back? Get a cane or a walker. Making "ultimate" health care a right WILL bankrupt this country. Health care rationing will be the ONLY reasonable answer. And yeah, I will resent the hell out of it when I'm 70 years old and get refused for a knee transplant after I paid into medicare for 55 years when the 30 year old crackhead gets a heart transplant because he is "younger".

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

You know what happens every time you use your hyperbole as if it were a true argument? You lose credibility when it doesn't come true. The rest of the world works fine with universal health care but when we're on the cusp of adding a version that isn't anywhere near a single payer government run system everything is going to fall apart.

If our generation goes broke it won't be because of this CC. It will be because your generation put the bill off on EVERYTHING until our generation had to pay for it.

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:lol The rest of the world manages. America has the best healthcare and we have the most advancements in medicine and equipment. The rest of the world get a free lunch from the end result of all our innovation. They don't fit the research bill though.
We are going broke without universal healthcare. We had to cut back on medicaid and medicare but now we are increasing it.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Are you fucking kidding? "Social Security" goes back to the 1930's. It's broke. Medicare goes back to the 1950's. It's broke. The "Great Society" and Medicaid and unlimited welfare goes back to the 1960's. It's broke. That wasn't my generation. All I've done is pay into the "trust fund" that wasn't a trust fund at all. The whole thing was a fucking ponzi scheme that makes Barney Madoff look like a small time grifter.

The reason health care is so expensive is because it's so good. There's a cure for almost everything, it's just all damned expensive. Hell, I can remember when I was a kid and if you heard someone had a heart attack your next question was "when is the funeral?" Bad knees, hips, back? Get a cane or a walker. Making "ultimate" health care a right WILL bankrupt this country. Health care rationing will be the ONLY reasonable answer.

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Yeah Health Care rationing doesn't go on right now. Not at all.

Yeah, SS and Medicare are old programs, yet the deficit started exploding when YOUR generation came into play. Interesting and thanks for pointing that out, CC.

Yes, somehow much of the developed world enjoys health care just as good and better than the United States at lower costs. But they're probably all bankrupt.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Are you fucking kidding? "Social Security" goes back to the 1930's. It's broke. Medicare goes back to the 1950's. It's broke. The "Great Society" and Medicaid and unlimited welfare goes back to the 1960's. It's broke. That wasn't my generation. All I've done is pay into the "trust fund" that wasn't a trust fund at all. The whole thing was a fucking ponzi scheme that makes Barney Madoff look like a small time grifter.

The reason health care is so expensive is because it's so good. There's a cure for almost everything, it's just all damned expensive. Hell, I can remember when I was a kid and if you heard someone had a heart attack your next question was "when is the funeral?" Bad knees, hips, back? Get a cane or a walker. Making "ultimate" health care a right WILL bankrupt this country. Health care rationing will be the ONLY reasonable answer.

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That is a great point. So do you think it is valid to say there will be deathbeds as a result from this?

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

:lol The rest of the world manages. America has the best healthcare and we have the most advancements in medicine and equipment. The rest of the world get a free lunch from the end result of all our innovation. They don't fit the research bill though.
We are going broke without universal healthcare. We had to cut back on medicaid and medicare but now we are increasing it.

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OHHHHHHH, we foot the bill for the rest of the world. I see, well in that case maybe the companies can pass on some of those costs to the rest of the world. That should work out fine.


Honestly, I don't really care anymore to post the facts on health care costs, rationing that already goes on, and health care levels across the world.

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Because healthcare reform is about to be passed so I couldn't give two shits what people like you guys think. I'll enjoy the bankruptcy, thanks.

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

That is a great point. So do you think it is valid to say there will be deathbeds as a result from this?

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Hell yeah. They can't avoid health care rationing. It will be the "old peoples" responsibility to take an aspirin for the pain and go off and die quietly.