Well, looks like they got their 60 votes in the senate for "health care"

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Originally Posted by nkdlunch

:tu my old aunt can finally get insurance :tu

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Or go to jail.

2.5 Trillion over a decade (allegedly)
Higher premiums, higher taxes and massive cuts to medicare and the public option is in there.

Death panels!

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

2.5 Trillion over a decade (allegedly)

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How much total is spent on health care annually in the US now?

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Originally Posted by MannyIsGod

OHHHHHHH, we foot the bill for the rest of the world. I see, well in that case maybe the companies can pass on some of those costs to the rest of the world. That should work out fine.


Honestly, I don't really care anymore to post the facts on health care costs, rationing that already goes on, and health care levels across the world.

Why?

Because healthcare reform is about to be passed so I couldn't give two shits what people like you guys think. I'll enjoy the bankruptcy, thanks.

:)

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Manny, your arrogance and lockstep belief in every social program that comes down the pipeline really baffles me. I'm really trying to figure out where you are coming from with your political agenda.

Are you still in school? Do you still live with your parents? Do you have a real job? If so, in generalities what IS your job? Do you totally support yourself? Do you live off student loans?

Don't duck and dodge. Man up dude. State your case. "I am Manny! Hear me roar!"

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

How much total is spent on health care annually in the US now?

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Dollar cost is basically irrelevant since the dollar loses value every day we continue to pass bills we can't afford. The projection is that health care will grow to 22% of GDP under the senate bill as opposed to 18% now.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

Dollar cost is basically irrelevant since the dollar loses value every day we continue to pass bills we can't afford. The projection is that health care will grow to 22% of GDP under the senate bill as opposed to 18% now.

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What is the projected growth of health care costs without the bill?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

What is the projected growth of health care costs without the bill?

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You know, ChumpDumper, I really don't trust any projections. All I can say is that if you add approximately 20 million people to medicaid it's not going to be cheap and someone is going to have to pay for it. The 500 billion in "savings" they are planning to get from medicare is simply dumping that financial responsibility down to the states to come up with the shortfall. It's criminal the way they manipulate the numbers.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

You know, ChumpDumper, I really don't trust any projections.

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Then why did you post one?

Health-care costs are out of control...I've always been for a system where private companies, competing for government business based on set billing-scales for health problems, took care of the minor things up to issues sucha as, out-patient surgery, preventive medicine, all the really important minor to sub-minor stuff, but excluded the major stuff such as organ replacement, certain forms of cancer, hearth-disease, et al...for those we could pull a majority of people into a large insured pool, so that costs are reasonable for the average citizen, and everyone would still have choice as to the type of coverage they want for the stuff that kills most of us..

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Then why did you post one?

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C'mon, you are smarter than Manny. Don't play that game.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

C'mon, you are smarter than Manny. Don't play that game.

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I think it's a fairly valid question. At the very least it would be nice to have the projection of increase without the bill's passage for comparison.

...let's not forget that this is a big political victory for Obama...

don't worry guys it's only a trillion dollars..why waste time actually reading what they're voting for hahaa this country is screwed

You know the first trillion is covered by costs cuts in other programs right?

What I love is how offended all the Dems were at the spending by the Repubs in 02-06.

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Originally Posted by spursncowboys

What I love is how offended all the Dems were at the spending by the Repubs in 02-06.

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But you, in turn, loved every cent of it.

I personally was offended at the money spent on Iraq.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

But you, in turn, loved every cent of it.

I personally was offended at the money spent on Iraq.

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I sure didn't love every cent of it. I'm offended at Iraq AND Afghanistan. Fuck those backwards ass ragheads. Personally I think we ought to get the fuck out of both places and offer a 100 million reward + 71 damn virgins (we can buy them cheap in El Salvador) + witness protection for Osama Bin Ladens head. Someone in the Taliban will roll.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

But you, in turn, loved every cent of it.

I personally was offended at the money spent on Iraq.

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I sure didn't love every cent of it. I'm offended at Iraq AND Afghanistan. Fuck those backwards ass ragheads. Personally I think we ought to get the fuck out of both places and offer a 100 million reward + 71 damn virgins (we can buy them cheap in El Salvador) + witness protection for Osama Bin Ladens head. Someone in the Taliban will roll.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

The wealth that gets spread around will be yours.

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Not being a selfish fucking asshole, I don't care. In fact, I welcome such a scenario.

But whatever, my judgment doesn't matter... God and Christ approve of hoarding money/possessions and explicitly not helping people in need. I'm sure you have nothing to worry about.

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Originally Posted by balli

Not being a selfish fucking asshole, I don't care. In fact, I welcome such a scenario.

But whatever, my judgment doesn't matter... God and Christ approve of hoarding money/possessions and explicitly not helping people in need. I'm sure you have nothing to worry about.

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Fuck you. You don't know me and you don't know what I do and don't do. I am probably the last fucking employer in America that pays 100% of health care for not only my employees but their families. So if you really want to debate health care with me then get some fucking skin in the game asshole. At least the way it is I get to decide what the best health care deal is that I can find for my family and my employees with MY fucking money and not leave it up to some fucking corrupt partisan bitch like Nancy Pelosi.

Too bad everyone's not employed by your charitable ass then, huh cc?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

But you, in turn, loved every cent of it.

I personally was offended at the money spent on Iraq.

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I am ok with spending money for our security. I am not niave enough to think the government can handle 1/6th of our economy successfully. Instead of everyone having good healthcare, I imagine all AMericans, will have bad healthcare. I could believe a little harder in this utopia if the congress put thier belief in it.

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Originally Posted by Nbadan

You know the first trillion is covered by costs cuts in other programs right?

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Yeah because the congress has a record of cutting medicare. Also not paying doctors is not cost cutting. It's stealing.

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Originally Posted by CosmicCowboy

I am probably the last fucking employer in America that pays 100% of health care for not only my employees but their families.

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Well, there's the problem. Very few employers do that and the employer based model is losing its relevance every day.