Seriously, is this not enough...

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Held views (none of which I am aware of him disavowing) that would seem to be anathema to one holding the position "Safe Schools Czar."

Seriously, you're okay with this guy?

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:lol

So he hasn't actually done anything as a member of the Obama administration with which you disagree.

Can you name anything he has actually done as a member of the Obama administration?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

:lol

So he hasn't actually done anything as a member of the Obama administration with which you disagree.

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You don't think one's views influence their work?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Can you name anything he has actually done as a member of the Obama administration?

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Can you name anything he's done as a member of the Obama administration?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

:lol

So he hasn't actually done anything as a member of the Obama administration with which you disagree.

Can you name anything he has actually done as a member of the Obama administration?

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I think the problem is akin to appointing someone with a history of stealing chickens to the position of Poultry Czar. :lol

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

You don't think one's views influence their work?

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Yet, you can't tell me it has.

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Can you name anything he's done as a member of the Obama administration?

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No.

I'm not the one bitching about him.

Can you name anything he has done as a member of the Obama administration?

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Originally Posted by TeyshaBlue

I think the problem is akin to appointing someone with a history of stealing chickens to the position of Poultry Czar. :lol

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Are you calling him a child molester?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Can you name anything he has done as a member of the Obama administration?

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Why give him the chance? What's the upside to having this pervert in the administration?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Why give him the chance? What's the upside to having this pervert in the administration?

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Answer the question.

Can you name anything he has done as a member of the Obama administration?

I was going to ask what exactly is in a fisting kit, but quickly decided I really don't want to know.

haha this is some sick shit! When Fox News was talking about it, they were showing still pictures of the guy....in front of a kid's playground :lmao


What a circus.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Are you calling him a child molester?

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Nope. Did you see me call him a child molester?

I'm sure that nobody employed by the Bush Administration ever, for example, basically decided that the constitution was merely advisory or that long-standing constitutional precedent could be summarily ignored on executive whim. Had they done so, I'm sure that Yonivore and others would have been screaming about the poor judgment of a President who would rely upon such a person.

Oh, and no more gays should be allowed to hold policy making provisions. Constitution, schmonstitution -- I draw the line at gays being allowed to make policy at any level. Next thing you know, they'll be letting Hispanics, Blacks, Muslims, and atheists do that kind of thing! I really should never be subjected to the policy choices of those I vehemently disagree with -- the outcomes of elections do not overbear the fundamental correctness of my philosophical beliefs.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Answer the GODDAMN question.

Can you name anything he has done as a member of the Obama administration?

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:lol

Obama hired a pervert and you want to know if he taught anyone to fist this past year. Funny.

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Originally Posted by jack sommerset

I can't name one thing Jennings has done as a member of the Obama administration.

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Thanks.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Answer the question.

Can you name anything he has done as a member of the Obama administration?

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Why? You never answered the original question; is this type of appointment not enough to question Obama's judgment on who he puts in his administration? If you knew of Jenning's background, would you appoint him "Safe Schools Czar?" They're simple questions, really.

Besides, I'm not privvy to his daily itinerary or responsibilities so, I'm not sure exactly what he's doing or what he has done. I just know I don't want to give him the chance. I think reasonable people would agree.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

I'm sure that nobody employed by the Bush Administration ever, for example, basically decided that the constitution was merely advisory or that long-standing constitutional precedent could be summarily ignored on executive whim. Had they done so, I'm sure that Yonivore and others would have been screaming about the poor judgment of a President who would rely upon such a person.

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Your characterizations that someone did is merely your partisan view...a view not shared by everyone. That Jennings was involved in teaching high school children about fisting and providing kits to accomplish the feat, isn't conjecture. It's fact.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

Oh, and no more gays should be allowed to hold policy making provisions. Constitution, schmonstitution -- I draw the line at gays being allowed to make policy at any level. Next thing you know, they'll be letting Hispanics, Blacks, Muslims, and atheists do that kind of thing! I really should never be subjected to the policy choices of those I vehemently disagree with -- the outcomes of elections do not overbear the fundamental correctness of my philosophical beliefs.

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Who said anything about gays? Nice deflection. I'm concerned with the pervert's interest in facilitating abnormal teen sex acts.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Why? You never answered the original question; is this type of appointment not enough to question Obama's judgment on who he puts in his administration?

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No.

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If you knew of Jenning's background, would you appoint him "Safe Schools Czar?" They're simple questions, really.

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I don't know about Jennings' background beyond what hysterical douches have posted. I don't find hysterical douches persuasive.

Simple answers.

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Besides, I'm not privvy to his daily itinerary or responsibilities so, I'm not sure exactly what he's doing or what he has done. I just know I don't want to give him the chance. I think reasonable people would agree.

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The chance to what?


Thanks for admitting your complete ignorance.

:tu

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

No.I don't know about Jennings' background beyond what hysterical douches have posted. I don't find hysterical douches persuasive.

Simple answers.

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So, you don't think the allegations are true or you don't care if they are?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Thanks for admitting your complete ignorance.

:tu

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As complete as yours, apparently

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

I'm concerned with the pervert's interest in facilitating abnormal teen sex acts.

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What do you consider a normal teen sex act?

Be specific.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Your characterizations that someone did is merely your partisan view...a view not shared by everyone. That Jennings was involved in teaching high school children about fisting and providing kits to accomplish the feat, isn't conjecture. It's fact.

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Uh....I don't know that it is fact.

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Originally Posted by Media Matters

Back in 2000, Jennings' organization, the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network (GLSEN), held a conference at Tufts University. The conference featured numerous workshops for students and educators, including "How to decide whether to come out at work," and "Strategies and curriculum ideas for addressing gay, lesbian, bisexual and trans-gender issues in a high school English curriculum." One of the workshops, titled "What They Didn't Tell You About Queer Sex and Sexuality in Health Class: Workshop for Youth Only, Ages 14-21," was run by two Massachusetts state Department of Education staffers and a state DoE consultant.

During the workshop, students asked a lot of very explicit questions about sex, and received explicit answers. As Hoft himself acknowledges in the body of his posts, it is the Department of Education staffers - not Jennings himself - who appear in the audio giving those answers. An activist for the anti-gay group Parents Rights Coalition (now MassResistance) snuck into the workshop and taped it, in a possible violation of state laws banning the taping of people without their permission (stop me if you've heard this one before).

Jennings subsequently criticized the workshop to the Boston Herald:

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Originally Posted by Boston Herald

"Like the Parents Rights Coalition and the Department of Education, GLSEN is also troubled by some of the content that came up during this workshop," said Kevin Jennings, national executive director of the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network.

He said people who run workshops in the future will get clearer guidelines, though Jennings said the network's annual conference at Tufts University should not be judged on the 30-student seminar "What They Didn't Tell You About Queer Sex and Sexuality in Health Class."

"We need to make our expectations and guidelines to outside facilitators much more clear," said Jennings. "Because we are surprised and troubled by some of the accounts we've heard."

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Originally Posted by Boston Globe

Meanwhile, officials at the Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, said they would also be looking further into the March workshops, because they would also be opposed to graphic sex talk that would be inappropriate for young adults.

"From what I've heard, I have concerns as well," said executive director Kevin Jennings. "GLSEN believes that children do have a right to accurate, safer sex education, but this needs to be delivered in an age appropriate and sensitive manner."

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It's also worth noting that the three Department of Education employees who ran the workshops were fired for this incident.

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Originally Posted by FromWayDowntown

I'm sure that nobody employed by the Bush Administration ever, for example, basically decided that the constitution was merely advisory or that long-standing constitutional precedent could be summarily ignored on executive whim. Had they done so, I'm sure that Yonivore and others would have been screaming about the poor judgment of a President who would rely upon such a person.

Oh, and no more gays should be allowed to hold policy making provisions. Constitution, schmonstitution -- I draw the line at gays being allowed to make policy at any level. Next thing you know, they'll be letting Hispanics, Blacks, Muslims, and atheists do that kind of thing! I really should never be subjected to the policy choices of those I vehemently disagree with -- the outcomes of elections do not overbear the fundamental correctness of my philosophical beliefs.

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Thats incredibly well said. :tu

Still doesnt make it any less weird.

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Originally Posted by DarkReign

Still doesnt make it any less weird.

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Oh I agree it's weird, but what I'm having trouble with is the nexus between an incident that Jennings was not a party to and his qualifications for his position in the administration.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

So, you don't think the allegations are true or you don't care if they are?

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It sure looks like they aren't true at all, don't they?

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As complete as yours, apparently

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I clearly admitted my ignorance but it turns out, you are ignorant and gullible.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Peabody

Uh....I don't know that it is fact.

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Jennings founded the organization that sponsored the conference. He helped organize the annual conference, and he was present at the conference. He should have known what was going to be presented at the conference.

He was, as I said, involved.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Peabody

It's also worth noting that the three Department of Education employees who ran the workshops were fired for this incident.

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This isn't Jennings' only transgression. He has quite a history of excusing, condoning, or sympathizing with adult/child sexual relationships.

He once praised a guy name Harry Hay who was a mover and shaker in NAMBLA and once bragged of having sex with an 18 month old baby. His supporters (apologists) will point out he was merely praising Hay's activism or gays but, c'mon, were there no other praise-worthy gay activists that didn't rape children? He called this sicko an inspiration.

He once looked the other way, as a high school counselor, when a minor child reported a sexual relationship with an adult.

And, now this?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Jennings founded the organization that sponsored the conference. He helped organize the annual conference, and he was present at the conference. He should have known what was going to be presented at the conference.

He was, as I said, involved.

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So, using your logic, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld should be held responsible for Abu Ghraib. They were, as you said, invovled.

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This isn't Jennings' only transgression. He has quite a history of excusing, condoning, or sympathizing with adult/child sexual relationships.

He once praised a guy name Harry Hay who was a mover and shaker in NAMBLA and once bragged of having sex with an 18 month old baby. His supporters (apologists) will point out he was merely praising Hay's activism or gays but, c'mon, were there no other praise-worthy gay activists that didn't rape children? He called this sicko an inspiration.

He once looked the other way, as a high school counselor, when a minor child reported a sexual relationship with an adult.

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Forgive me if I don't believe the rantings of a hysterical douche who is a proven liar.