Seriously, is this not enough...

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Jennings founded the organization that sponsored the conference. He helped organize the annual conference, and he was present at the conference. He should have known what was going to be presented at the conference.

He was, as I said, involved.


This isn't Jennings' only transgression. He has quite a history of excusing, condoning, or sympathizing with adult/child sexual relationships.

He once praised a guy name Harry Hay who was a mover and shaker in NAMBLA and once bragged of having sex with an 18 month old baby. His supporters (apologists) will point out he was merely praising Hay's activism or gays but, c'mon, were there no other praise-worthy gay activists that didn't rape children? He called this sicko an inspiration.

He once looked the other way, as a high school counselor, when a minor child reported a sexual relationship with an adult.

And, now this?

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:lmao

And by "And, now this?", do you mean "And now (nine years ago and already was covered by the media back then, but only recently being rehashed by right wing blogs) this?".

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Originally Posted by Mr. Peabody

:lmao

And by "And, now this?", do you mean "And now (nine years ago and already was covered by the media back then, but only recently being rehashed by right wing blogs) this?".

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Well, who would have dreamed Obama would put this guy in charge of Safe Schools?

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Originally Posted by Mr. Peabody

:lmao

And by "And, now this?", do you mean "And now (nine years ago and already was covered by the media back then, but only recently being rehashed by right wing blogs) this?".

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No shit.

I don't know what he does or could do, but I want to make sure he can't do it based on things he didn't do in the past!

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Well, who would have dreamed Obama would put this guy in charge of Safe Schools?

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Who could have dreamed that people like you would lie about what actually happened nine years ago?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Well, who would have dreamed Obama would put this guy in charge of Safe Schools?

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Again, what has he done that makes him unfit for that position? I haven't heard anything other than the fact that some state employees at a conference sponsored by the organization headed by Jennings made inappropriate comments, which Jennings condemned, and for which the state employees were fired.

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Originally Posted by Mr. Peabody

Again, what has he done that makes him unfit for that position? I haven't heard anything other than the fact that some state employees at a conference sponsored by the organization headed by Jennings made inappropriate comments, which Jennings condemned, and for which the state employees were fired.

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It doesn't matter that I can't specifically point to anything to corroborate my certainty that this is yet another example (one of certainly thousands, to keep my estimates low) of Obama's neo-Satanic effect on America; what matters is that I can push innuendo to insinuate wrongdoing in the absence of any evidence of wrongdoing.

waitr a fucking second, I am still stuck on the child thing

IN WHAT state is it legal to talk about swallowing cum and fisting to a bunch of 14 year olds?!???????????????????????????

WHAT THE F!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by MiamiHeat

waitr a fucking second, I am still stuck on the child thing

IN WHAT state is it legal to talk about swallowing cum and fisting to a bunch of 14 year olds?!???????????????????????????

WHAT THE F!!!!!!!!!!

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You'll be pleased to know it wasn't Jennings or anyone in his organization who did this.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

You'll be pleased to know it wasn't Jennings or anyone in his organization who did this.

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His organization just facilitated it happening.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

His organization just facilitated it happening.

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Did he or anyone in his organization do it?

You said he must have had foreknowledge that it was going to happen.

Prove it.

I can certainly see the possibility that he had no knowledge of it.

Can you?

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

His organization just facilitated it happening.

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So Bush's organization just facilitated the prisoner abuse in Abu Ghraib.

I'm so glad you want Bush to be held directly responsible for that.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Did he or anyone in his organization do it?

You said he must have had foreknowledge that it was going to happen.

Prove it.

I can certainly see the possibility that he had no knowledge of it.

Can you?

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What is he, your Dad? Way to defend.

There were similar incidents at the GLESN Conference in 2000, 2001, and 2005. You'd think after the 2000 incident, he would either be more diligent about who participates or disassociate himself from the event.

Then, you've got to explain why Harry Hay is such an inspiration -- over all the other Gay Activists he could have as an inspiration.

Finally, if his idea of counseling a teen being butt fucked by an adult, is to admonish him to wear a condom and send him on his way, I think I don't want him associated with our nation's youth in any capacity.

But, if you do, just say so...actually, you've done as much already.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

What is he, your Dad? Way to defend.

There were similar incidents at the GLESN Conference in 2000, 2001, and 2005. You'd think after the 2000 incident, he would either be more diligent about who participates or disassociate himself from the event.

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Tell us al what happened every time.

Be specific.

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Then, you've got to explain why Harry Hay is such an inspiration -- over all the other Gay Activists he could have as an inspiration.

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I don't have to explain it. I don't like it.

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Finally, if his idea of counseling a teen being butt fucked by an adult, is to admonish him to wear a condom and send him on his way, I think I don't want him associated with our nation's youth in any capacity.

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That teen was at the age of consent. And you lied about that as well.

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But, if you do, just say so...actually, you've done as much already.

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I have said you lied repeatedly about this man, and I am repeating that. You are a liar.

so, in the end, this is about who's doing the butt fucking?

is that right, yoni?

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Originally Posted by clambake

so, in the end, this is about who's doing the butt fucking?

is that right, yoni?

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Actually, no. It's about his apparent attitudes towards adult/children sexual relationships.

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Originally Posted by Yonivore

Actually, no. It's about his apparent attitudes towards adult/children sexual relationships.

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thats not very specific.

actually, i think you're being intentionally non-specific.

you have anything concrete?

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Originally Posted by clambake

thats not very specific.

actually, i think you're being intentionally non-specific.

you have anything concrete?

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No, it's all about innuendo and fear mongering with yoni.

And lying.

Lots and lots of lying.

Margot Abels, who got fired by GLSEN after the content of the seminars became known, says Jennings and others at GLSEN knew the content of their curriculum and approved it. If one sees the handout material GLSEN provided for these classes, that becomes rather obvious:

http://www.massresistance.org/docs/i.../page_2425.jpg

But, okay...if none of this convinces you he's unfit for the "Safe School Czar" position; tell me, what makes him qualified?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

No, it's all about innuendo and fear mongering with yoni.

And lying.

Lots and lots of lying.

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do you think he noticed that he was approaching "the buck stops here" theory?

lol at that video.

lol he doesn't understand the term "concrete".

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Originally Posted by clambake

do you think he noticed that he was approaching "the buck stops here" theory?

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No, he has a blind spot when bush is involved.

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Margot Abels, who got fired by GLSEN after the content of the seminars became known, says Jennings and others at GLSEN knew the content of their curriculum and approved it.

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You would take the word of someone who was caught peddling smut to kids?

Of course you would.

Pure Yoni.

Yoni, once again, your post is "slightly" misleading.

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Originally Posted by Boston Globe

http://www.boston.com/news/education...yed_at_school/

Explicit pamphlets displayed at school
Health center regrets mistake
By Joanna Weiss, Globe Staff | May 19, 2005

A community health organization apologized yesterday for bringing a sexually explicit pamphlet for young gay men to a recent conference at Brookline High School on gay and lesbian issues that was attended by high school and middle school students.

Fenway Community Health officials yesterday said they left about 10 copies of the ''Little Black Book" on an informational table they rented at a conference sponsored by the Gay, Lesbian, and Straight Education Network of Boston. The annual event, held on April 30 at Brookline High School, was aimed at high school students, educators, counselors, administrators, and parents.

The ''Little Black Book," produced by the AIDS Action Committee of Massachusetts, is targeted at 18-and-older gay men, according to the committee. The book uses vivid descriptions and colloquial terms to describe the ways HIV and other sexually transmitted diseases can be prevented and spread.

A Fenway Community Health employee brought the pamphlets along with other materials and put them on the table by mistake, said Chris Viveiros, a spokesman for Fenway Community Health.

''Fenway Community Health regrets accidentally making available a small number of copies of the Little Black Book, an HIV-prevention publication for gay and bisexual men over the age of 18, at an event where young people were present," said Dr. Stephen Boswell, Fenway Community Health's president and CEO.

Sean Haley, executive director of the education network, which sponsored the conference, added: ''We have very clear policies that sexually explicit material of any kind will not be made available at the conference. Had I seen the book, I would have asked them to put it away."

At the start of the event, Haley said, network officials scanned each of the 10 tables it had rented, for $35 apiece, to outside groups. He said nobody saw the pamphlet at the time. ''We're just going to have to be more rigorous in our review of materials," he said.

Haley said that about 500 people attended the conference, roughly half of them students. He said only ''a handful" were younger than high-school aged.

Members of the Article 8 Alliance, an organization opposed to gay marriage, handed copies of the ''Little Black Book" to reporters on Tuesday at a news conference marking the first anniversary of gay marriage in Massachusetts.

Brian Camenker, Article 8 Alliance's executive director, said he had encouraged members to attend the conference as observers, and one member brought the pamphlet to his attention.

Sally Turner, 73, of Carlisle, an Article 8 Alliance supporter who attended the conference, said she picked up literature from each of the tables, and didn't examine it until hours later. ''I looked at it at home and I was a little bit astonished by what I had," she said.

William Lupini, Brookline school superintendent, said the school system agreed to host the event on the condition that material would be age-appropriate.

''We're disappointed that we laid out what we thought were pretty clear and easy-to-follow conditions and that they weren't adhered to," Lupini said yesterday.

© Copyright 2006 Globe Newspaper Company.

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Originally Posted by clambake

do you think he noticed that he was approaching "the buck stops here" theory?

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I contend Jennings was aware of the materials and the seminars not that he's responsible because he founded the organization that sponsored the event.

But, again, if you're okay with this guy...so be it. We'll just have to agree to disagree.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

You would take the word of someone who was caught peddling smut to kids?

Of course you would.

Pure Yoni.

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Well, the thing is that Yoni never shows us the actual "word of someone," just mere supposition and innuendo. It shouldn't be too difficult to find a quote of her actually saying the things Yoni alleges, should it?

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Originally Posted by Mr. Peabody

Well, the thing is that Yoni never shows us the actual "word of someone," just mere supposition and innuendo. It shouldn't be too difficult to find a quote of her actually saying the things Yoni alleges, should it?

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You can google it as easily as I can. I've found a couple of articles from 2001 where Abels and others, involved in the incident, say the materials had been used for years by the Mass. DOE, that her supervisors were aware and that Jennings worked with the DOE in developing the materials.

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“[W]e flew sort of below the radar screen for a long time,” Margot Abels told Boston’s homosexual newspaper, Bay Windows.

She taught them sex because she thought she knew better than the parents what should be taught to the children. She says she had the support of state officials during her seven years at the state Department of Education.

“We always knew that we were working in an area that in certain places was considered really controversial and we also knew that we were doing cutting edge work and that there are plenty of people that don’t support doing work with gay kids. But I think that we flew sort of below the radar screen for a long time and were able to, and had the complete support of our agency. Maybe David Driscoll [Commissioner of Education] didn’t always know everything that we did, but certainly our supervisors did,” said Abels.

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Here's a quote from another MASS DOE employee, contemporaneous to the incident:

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Camenker: Well you see the DOE tried to paint her [Abel] as this anomaly, someone who just came in and did something bad. The department is made up of people just as radical as she is and in many cases more radical. And so, when Driscoll, the Commissioner, and the others tried to say that what she had done was unusual and said it would never happen again, they were a bunch of liars. In fact, they weren’t shocked at all. They knew what was going on. They helped her plan it and they approved it at every level. When the people there heard about what she was doing when we first told them about it, they weren’t surprised. This proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the DOE knew about it and planned it and was actually very comfortable with what she did. The only reason that they fired her was because of the immense public outrage.

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Look, I'm not going to spend my weekend building a legal case against Jennings. You either think he was okay with what was happening or you don't. Frankly, it's not worth my time arguing with you.