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I think he'd be better on the bench, but he would have to accept his role. He doesn't seem that eager to fit in, which is a bad sign for that proposition.
I hope I'm wrong on how I'm reading him. I mean, he's shown flashes of intensity during a couple games on dunks, but is he really working on his game outside? Is he trying to be a part of the team, or just settling for whatever comes his way?
His defensive play hasn't been all bad. I thought he defended well against Melo and Pierce... It's just uneven, some games it looks like he's not even trying...
off topic....did we really sign dice for three yrs?.....Not gonna make a Splitter thread, but are we gonna try to bring him over next summer?
Before the season when everyone was sucking off Richard Jefferson and how great he would make the Spurs I just kept thinking, "Really? Are we talking about the same Richard Jefferson?" I hope he comes around, but I never was a big fan of the acquisition.
It's evident that RJ plays best without Duncan and Parker. A formula that is not going to go away since Parker and Duncan are first and second option in the offense. His percentages as a 3 point shooter have been a respectable .35% throughout his career but I would never consider him a 3pt. threat in the case of game winning shots.
His defense has been on the decline since his final days in NJ so thinking he might improve in that area while a Spur might have been more of a wish than actual ability. Skiles in Milwaukee also is known as a defensive minded coach and RJ didn't exactly produce game changing defense while there so I don't know why it would be thought he would do it here.
RJ was a career 78% FT shooter before coming to the Spurs. At the moment he is shooting 68%.
Rebounding, in the past 3 years, he's never averaged above 4.6 per game. And his single highest average was 7.6 in a single season. I'm not sure it should be expected that he provides more than that but rather if he can exceed his past 3 year average would be a bonus.
Right now...because of his two 20pt+ games he's had when Duncan and Parker were not playing, he's at a +12.06 EFF rating.
It doesn't look promising for him to be any more effective than what he provides now when playing as a starter. To expect more from him in that role would be setting expectations to high IMO.
Would it be nice if he could produce more..absolutely. But in the other areas of his game other than scoring...he's pretty much doing what he's been doing the past 4 years.
Whether his salary to produce these types of numbers is legitiment...that's a whole different debate. I would expect the FO expects more for the salary they're paying. But expecting and reality don't always coincide.
Bottomline...in the past 4 years RJ hasn't produced more than what he's been doing now as a Spur. And to make matters worse...his scoring isn't going to be as high on a team that has 2 to 3 options before him.
The expectations of him becoming a better rebounder and defender will have to come to fruition in order to justify trading for him. But the reallity of the past 4 years has proven he's not that type of player.
Was this fool's gold?
To answer your question, Jefferson was a good player who got to play some 1st option in Milwaukee and was made to look good by an all time great playmaker in Jason Kidd. Don't get me wrong, he is still a good scorer and a decent enough defender, as long as he gets the ball.Quote:
Originally Posted by SpurNation
If Jefferson doesn't show something in the next couple games pop should have a come to jesus moment with him.
I remember reading or hearing some time back him saying something like "I still get paid the same"...when asked about getting traded. Or maybe it was like "the contract comes with me". Either way it was kinda disturbing then to hear. I remember thinking ...when would we ever hear this from another spur.Quote:
Originally Posted by MannyIsGod
I bet if he said that now after he's recent play fans would be even more pissed
This team's success is not based on RJs stats but TPs. The last game he scored 22 pts and had 5 assists. Give me 16-18 points and 8-10 assists and we will be the "team" we need to be.
I'm not so sure that's the case anymore. When TP does pass the ball, the shooter rarely hits the shot. When the games on the line, I'm not confident in any spur who takes the shot. You put the least amount of pressure on a spurs shooter, he misses badly.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbestpro
Getting assists is not just about passing the ball. Tony, has on occasion drove to the basket and passed back out, but you will hardly ever see him hit the cutter as he dribbles and dribbles and dribbles looking for a lane.Quote:
Originally Posted by murpjf88
I hate when tony does that... it's like he's a RB in the NFL trying to break thru the defensive line...Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
RJ is not playing like he has something to prove, he is being very passive and he sometimes seems like he lacks the killer instinct that we desperately need. What will get him motivated? I am not sure anything can, he has already hit his payday! If he plays any better will he receive more? NO! Then there is Hairston, a guy that is hungry and wants to establish himself as a legit NBA player. I would really like to see what he could do with 25-30 minutes of playing time, even if only for a few games while Finley is out.
With just a 9-9 start where do the spurs go from here? Do we continue down the same path and just wait for them to “gel” or do we make a few minor changes to the rotation and see what we may or may not have in Hairston?
Tony has always done that, even in the Duncan/Robinson era. Tonys scoring/assist are based solely on his penetration. You give him the ball and spread the floor with shooters, then TP can get you 25pts and 10ast every night. Still doesnt mean he is a good PG. Tim Duncan FInds shooters/cutters and can throw out to a runner for a simple fast break assist. TP cant see cutters/runners and the only mismatch he sees is for himself. If we had gotten Shane Battier instead of RJ then I'm pretty sure TPs numbers would be better and the Spurs might be a few (not alot) games above .500. Why? Battier is a spot up shooter only and can drive when nessecary. RJ a slasher and junk, with a decent spot-up 2or3.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender
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Originally Posted by ezau
It all starts with and ends with Tony Parker the guy just cannot play defense...You normally can get into fast breaks cause your point guard stealing or deflects the ball, not tiisue soft Parker... His nick name should be Charmin.. Cause the guy plays soft.... Thats right Parker im calling you out start playing some dam "D" and pass the ball..
Calderon, cant play D either, he can pass and shoot better than Parker. He throws lobs and knows how to work with a bigman.Quote:
Originally Posted by DaBears
The problem is simple. Richard Jefferson isn't very effective on the court with Timmy and Tony. Timmy and Tony have a great 2 man game that scores points and gets open looks. Ginobili is much better at playing with them then RJ is.
Ginobili should start and RJ should come off the Bench. That's my opinion. Unless RJ can make his jumpers and free throws and insert himself nicely into the Spurs Offense.
Parker at least does something out there jefferson is playing like ah deer caught in the head lights. Jefferson is also killing us with his lazy ass passes and no more cutting to the basket WTF? Somebody done snatched his manhood or something :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by DaBears
Battier also is bigger and plays a lil bit better defensively and he still hustles can't say the same for RJ right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by portnoy1
The more and more I think about maybe RJ does need the ball to be successful...maybe he should be coming off the bench? Or at least be out there more without TD and TP...
Our of neutral and in high gear last night.
Very incouraging to see. They got him the ball and most of his points came off of assists from others. Especially from Tony.
Makes one wonder if some talking from Pop had anything to do with what transpired in the SAC game. Looking forward to more of that.
Is it just me, or did the team start the game with a bunch of good back screens to get RJ and Tony working? I don't remember those plays in the last 3 games and am starting to wonder if Pop has been holding those plays until now. Use them against the non-play off teams to prevent other teams planning for it?
The lineup also seemed to be a bit more stable in the 1st quarter. Defense was awful in the 2nd qtr.
CIA Pop always makes me question what the plans are.
I have been impressed with Jefferson this game. He went out there with a purpose. In the 4th quarter, we went away from his offense, and the Kings came storming back, it is no coincidence.
caught some post game qoutes from RJ, he said that he and Parker had worked on a few new plays in the last practice, one of those being the alley-oop play. It certainly showed, it seemed there was a concerted effort to get RJ off early in this game. I cant tell you how happy I am to see TP score under 20 and get the assists to 10+....more of that please fellas
I wonder why it took them this long to collaborate?Quote:
Originally Posted by jb4g