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Re: Manu. Frickin. Ginobili.
Here's the deal. We have to get to the plaoffs first, which seems to be more of an issue this year than any of us thought it would be.
But in the playoffs, we need 4 wins against our opponents. I'd like to think that if Manu is healthy, he may have 3 or 4 good games out of 7. So if we can get through to the WCF against LA (assuming we play those homos in the WCF), I'd like to think Manu can come up with a couple of great games. When Manu plays great, we always win. If Manu plays well, we win most of the time. When Manu plays badly, it's hard for us to win against good teams.
What I like about this Spurs team is that we have four guys who are capable of scoring 30 points on any given night. That gives defenses a ton to think about. But if we can get our D somewhere near on track and get 80 points a night from the Big Four in playoff games, we'll be hard to beat.
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Re: Manu. Frickin. Ginobili.
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Originally Posted by
HarlemHeat37
Manu had a 36-point monster game vs. Toronto and then had a horrible stretch until tonight..the key isn't whether or not he can do it once in while, it's whether he can still do it on a consistent basis..
Don't forget he missed 6 games... This is like what, his 4th game back?
He needs to get in rhythm and he'll be ok. What we need now is to shore up the defense and keep everyone healthy.
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vander
wow, you people found that impressive? you need to watch some other teams once in a while, oh and need I remind you who our opponent was?
geez
:rolleyes
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Re: Manu. Frickin. Ginobili.
Will Manu be able to play in the playoffs though?..obviously a concern..
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ElNono
Don't forget he missed 6 games... This is like what, his 4th game back?
He needs to get in rhythm and he'll be ok. What we need now is to shore up the defense and keep everyone healthy.
Obviously that's a concern though..I don't doubt that Manu will be able to play at a high level if he stays healthy and plays enough to get back into a rhythm..obviously the "staying healthy" part is the issue though..
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Originally Posted by
HarlemHeat37
Will Manu be able to play in the playoffs though?..obviously a concern..
Well, what do you want to do? Trade him now?... ok.. what can you get in return that will put you over the top?
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Originally Posted by
HarlemHeat37
Obviously that's a concern though..I don't doubt that Manu will be able to play at a high level if he stays healthy and plays enough to get back into a rhythm..obviously the "staying healthy" part is the issue though..
Why is that?
To be honest, I'm more concerned with Duncan knees, since it's a known chronic problem and we've been playing him a lot more than I thought we would early in the season...
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ElNono
Well, what do you want to do? Trade him now?... ok.. what can you get in return that will put you over the top?
I'm not saying that..
There are people that are questioning everybody that is "hating" on Manu..I was replying to the poster that said "all we need from Manu is a few good games a series"..
All I'm saying is that 1 game is nice, but we need him to do it consistently, and there's always a significant chance that he's going to get hurt again..
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
Why is that?
To be honest, I'm more concerned with Duncan knees, since it's a known chronic problem and we've been playing him a lot more than I thought we would early in the season...
I'm concerned with that too..
Manu's more concerning to me because he has to play a certain style to be himself..he plays an intense way of basketball where he goes 110% all the time..when you mix that with his injury prone history for the last 3 years, then you have concerns about him..
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Originally Posted by
HarlemHeat37
All I'm saying is that 1 game is nice, but we need him to do it consistently, and there's always a significant chance that he's going to get hurt again..
This is the part the I don't get from people like you that I know are not haters... The dude had a bad stretch of injuries... all of them different from each other...
People talk about his durability, but the reality is that he's been pretty healthy until last season...
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Originally Posted by
HarlemHeat37
All I'm saying is that 1 game is nice, but we need him to do it consistently, and there's always a significant chance that he's going to get hurt again..
We still don't know that. According to Manu and the Spurs, he was 100% at the start of the season. He didn't play ball for months during the offseason so a couple minor injuries during his on-the-court recovery are almost expected.
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Originally Posted by
HarlemHeat37
I'm concerned with that too..
Manu's more concerning to me because he has to play a certain style to be himself..he plays an intense way of basketball where he goes 110% all the time..when you mix that with his injury prone history for the last 3 years, then you have concerns about him..
3 years???? What are you talking about?
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You know, I'm not against trading him if you can find a deal out there that would land you a Gasol-to-the-Lakers lopsided trade. I just don't know what's out there like that.
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ElNono
3 years???? What are you talking about?
He obviously does know what he's talking about.
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ElNono
3 years???? What are you talking about?
2 years, typo..counting the playoffs..
Obviously we're looking at his body now..what happened before isn't really relevant IMO..he got hurt in those playoffs and he's still getting hurt up until a few weeks ago..
The fact that the injuries have been different doesn't really change anything..I'm obviously not the only one concerned with the injuries, obviously Pop is too when you look at the last interview where he was asked about them..it's only natural..
The guy isn't getting any younger and he's coming off multiple injuries since the first concerning one in the 2007-2008 playoffs..obviously Manu has been more injury prone than not since then..
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Manu-of-steel
He obviously does know what he's talking about.
Really? I was under the impression he got his first injury in the 2008 first round of the playoffs against Phoenix...
That's April 2008... 1.5 years ago... Not to mention he played half a season last year...
Please, do correct me if I'm wrong...
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HarlemHeat37
The guy isn't getting any younger and he's coming off multiple injuries since the first concerning one in the 2007-2008 playoffs..obviously Manu has been more injury prone than not since then..
I tell you what, you'll believe whatever you want because you have your mind set already. Time will tell who is right and who is wrong. :toast
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ElNono
I tell you what, you'll believe whatever you want because you have your mind set already. Time will tell who is right and who is wrong.
Is there time? Time is not on our side. The trade deadline moves closer every passing second and Manu's worth won't ever again be nearly as high as it is in the coming weeks, provided he stays healthy.
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z0sa
Is there time? Time is not on our side. The trade deadline moves closer every passing second and Manu's worth won't ever again be nearly as high as it is in the coming weeks, provided he stays healthy.
True. I still haven't heard who we getting from him that will put us over the top...
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ElNono
I tell you what, you'll believe whatever you want because you have your mind set already. Time will tell who is right and who is wrong. :toast
Are you actually saying that Manu has been more durable as opposed to more injury prone since the injury in the 2007-8 playoffs?..
If it's a case of who is "right or wrong", I obviously want to be "wrong" here..I obviously don't want Manu to get hurt, he's obviously a huge key to our title hopes, and I've obviously grown to love the guy as a fan since he joined the team a LONG time ago..
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ElNono
I still haven't heard who we getting from him that will put us over the top...
Therein lies the dilemma. Even if Manu does return to full health, how good is that nowadays? How abrupt will the drop off be by Tim's last season? Abrupt enough that no matter who we place around Tim at that point, our title aspirations are hopelessly thin? Some Gasol-like trade isn't the only way Manu could, or should, make his way out of town. A Manu trade for players with both talent and untapped potential makes a lot of sense, because we have already dedicated to at least 2011. Think big picture here. What we do with Manu has huge effects on the remaining years of the Duncan era.
No, I didn't name any names. But I also think you're off-base with what constitutes a good return for Manu.
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HarlemHeat37
Are you actually saying that Manu has been more durable as opposed to more injury prone since the injury in the 2007-8 playoffs?..
No. But 'injury prone' means, well, prone to injuries. I don't think he's any more or less prone to get injured. He went on a bad stretch of injuries (two really, they just had a very long recovery time). I simply don't think it's necessarily a byproduct of his entire body decaying... but, like I said, time will tell.
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HarlemHeat37
If it's a case of who is "right or wrong", I obviously want to be "wrong" here..I obviously don't want Manu to get hurt, he's obviously a huge key to our title hopes, and I've obviously grown to love the guy as a fan since he joined the team a LONG time ago..
I know... and I'm also serious when I say that if he can be a good trading chip to get somebody to put us over the top, then by all means we should pull the trigger.
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And BTW, don't expect another 20 points and 3 dunks the next game...
I mean, I wouldn't complain if he pulls it out, but I suspect it's still going to take some games for Manu to get to the point where he feels comfortable getting to the rim and getting some lift back... It's a process.
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Re: Manu. Frickin. Ginobili.
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z0sa
No, I didn't name any names. But I also think you're off-base with what constitutes a good return for Manu.
a good return is a player that makes the spurs championship favorites.
not going to happen.
i'd rather take my chances with manu.
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Re: Manu. Frickin. Ginobili.
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Originally Posted by
z0sa
Therein lies the dilemma. Even if Manu does return to full health, how good is that nowadays? How abrupt will the drop off be by Tim's last season? Abrupt enough that no matter who we place around Tim at that point, our title aspirations are hopelessly thin? Some Gasol-like trade isn't the only way Manu could, or should, make his way out of town. A Manu trade for players with both talent and untapped potential makes a lot of sense, because we have already dedicated to at least 2011. Think big picture here. What we do with Manu has huge effects on the remaining years of the Duncan era.
No, I didn't name any names. But I also think you're off-base with what constitutes a good return for Manu.
Well, I start from the premise that we're not rebuilding here. The big picture right now is trying to contend for championships until TD retires. Couple that with Pop not really being into young kids, and I'm not really sure what you mean. I think Pop's concern with Manu is entirely with health and wether he's going to be able to be out there. I think Pop would keep him on a reduced role, a la Finley, if they could arrange for a reasonable extension.
