OMG. You own me. I gave an example of 40% and you CAME BACK HARD with 37.6%.Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
I really have no comeback. This is such a stunning refutation I have no words.
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OMG. You own me. I gave an example of 40% and you CAME BACK HARD with 37.6%.Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
I really have no comeback. This is such a stunning refutation I have no words.
where are the morons who were saying we should trade him for tmac? i swear its getting ridiculous
who ever thinks manu is one day going to be a terrible shooter is retarted, the last thing that goes is your shot, and thats why manu will be good for years to come
Manu's play was to me the most inspiring part of last night's win. Yes, it wasn't against a formidable opponent, but it's a step in the right direction. And it gave me hope that Manu can get back to that whirling devrish we have come to expect and love and that opponents hate to see on the floor.
Definitely agree with you here . Confidence plays a big part and so does rhythm more-so coming from a long lay-off. David Robinson went throught this every season after his back troubles. Manu went through the same struggles last season in Janruary before hitting his stride in February.Quote:
Originally Posted by MmP
The conceerning part from what i noticed yesterday was that he still looks hamprered. There's no way he's 100 percent, not even close. Probably more to do with the niggling injuries he's had recently than to do with the foot and leg ops from the off-season.
What i did like seeing how-ever was the way he paced himself, showing off other aspects of his game with-out going all out.
We can only hope there's a gradual improvement in his health while playing. The rest of it will come with game-time.
Another vintage Manu game...26min, 22pts, 4reb, 2ast, 2stl, 7-12 FG, 3-4 3FG.
Stay tuned......
I'll toast to another vintage Manu night as well.:toast
He showed the whole repertoire tonight..some great drives, the 3-point touch, nice passes..we need that Manu all year, it makes everybody fall into their role a lot easier..
Yup, that was vintage Manu, the kind of Manu we need to go anywhere this year.
Most pleasing was the way he was splitting traps and getting to the rack. Maybe he hasn't lost a step after all! ;)
The most important thing is that he stays healthy... He'll have a bad game here and there, everybody does. Plus I still think he needs to get in better rhythm. His offense was good, but his defense still looks a little rusty.
I saw the double team split today, good enough for me. I did miss his 1st half performance. RJ and TD got into foul trouble this game. Manu Ginobili showed up to kick some ass.
Then you don't recall much. I have been saying for 3 years now Camby straightup for Manu. Now no guarantees it would put the spurs over the top but it puts the spurs in a better position to beat the lakers.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Develope Hill and Blair into the stars that they can be by giving them big minutes and get Jefferson up to speed by featuring him more in the offense and with camby added on the frontline, it more than makes up for Manu, who is quickly on the decline.
huge first half 2 points second half thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
he still needs to get his wind back
He's getting there. Seven more turnovers for TP though...........Quote:
Originally Posted by ducks
The man is the essential definition of what a complete basketball player is. I don't think (when Manu is healthy) a better all around player in the league.
I pray he stays healthy for the rest of this season.
:rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by SpurNation
he's great but let's not act like laker fans here
Marcus Camby is a good player, but far from what would put us over the top. He has basically no offensive game, is 3 years older than Manu, and never in 14 NBA seasons has completed a 82 games season. He wasn't much of a factor stopping us at all when he was younger and playing in Denver and we used to eliminate them every season.Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
Plus I also think you want to go younger not older with probably one of the trading chips that will get you the most in return.
This is more wishful thinking than anything. Manu is actually one of the few guys in our team that makes Hill and Blair better when he's out there with them. It might take a year or two for Hill and Blair to develop into complete NBA players... we don't have the luxury of waiting that long...Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
In past years...Ginobili has already proven to be more clutch than Kobe.Quote:
Originally Posted by sonic21
http://www.scoresreport.com/2009/11/...ch-in-the-nba/
But other than that article. Can you name one player in the league that can also, when needed, get a steal, grab a rebound, make a shot by either penetrating; jumper or 3pt, dish an assist, make an important FT, or lock down on defense at any given time in a game better than Ginobili?
Of course there are other players in the league that can perform any one of these things better than Ginobili. But I can't think of one that can do all of them at any given time when needed as well as Ginobili has done in the past.
That's what I mean by complete.
Lmao rascal complains about Manu being injury prone yet wants to trade him for Marcus Camby :lmao
I thought the same thing. It's a lateral move at the very, very best and we are still banking on him making through the playoffs without getting hurt...just like with Manu. Not to mention he is playing like 30mpg for the Clips right now. Why would they trade him for a guard?Quote:
Originally Posted by EricB
I agree with El Nono...if Manu is going to be traded then it has to be for young talent. Right now though, the focus should be on him trying to get all the way back...because vintage Manu puts a trophy in the case.
lets remember hes barley getting any minutes, so whenhes getting these 20 points 22 and all these good scoring nights hes not getting alot of minutes, he scored 22 points in 26 minutes lol
I'm glad you're beginning to come around to my side of the Force. :hat We don't HAVE to get a Gasol-Lakers' trade advantage for Manu, but we need younger athletes who can contribute significantly on the defensive end - for the rest of the Duncan era, at least. We have TP, RJ and Tim Duncan for offense, which should be enough to beat anybody provided we have the defense to take large portions of any team's offense away. I think we would with the right trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Not that I WANT to trade Manu, I probably wouldn't. But spurfan must accept that he is the most valuable trading piece of the rest of the Tim Duncan era. And that value is going to absolutely plummet after the trade deadline.. if we don't trade him before then, we have essentially decided on who we will ride into Timmy's sunset.
Manu's play-making (it encompasses multiple areas of his game due to his high IQ) would definitely be his most missed attribute, should the right trade come along. Everything flows much smoother, on both ends, when he's in a groove.Quote:
This is more wishful thinking than anything. Manu is actually one of the few guys in our team that makes Hill and Blair better when he's out there with them. It might take a year or two for Hill and Blair to develop into complete NBA players... we don't have the luxury of waiting that long...
Eh, no. If the premise is that we need a superstar-caliber Manu Ginobili to win it all, then trading him for young guns basically means you're forfeiting any more chances at a championships in the Duncan era. Who are these 'younger athletes that can can contribute significantly on the defensive end'? Are they capable of doing that in the playoffs? You know, Tyrus Thomas is a kid that has a lot of potential, but he's got a lot to learn.Quote:
Originally Posted by z0sa
So, yeah, in order to keep our championship chances intact we would need to trade him for another star-caliber player, which is basically a Gasol-type trade.
I would be very surprised if Manu is healthy and the FO trades him for anything but another vet star-caliber player (You know, the VC, Wade kind of player).Quote:
Originally Posted by z0sa
It isn't, and that's probably impossible anyway... No offense Manu, I still think you got tons of game but it's not 07 anymore.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Don't get me wrong, I agree last season we needed a superstar quality Manu to win it all and even then it was slim chances indeed with little margin for error.. but I'm not sure Manu has that ability in him anymore.
I think we just need Manu healthy, rested and at full strength (which isn't superstar level) along with the rest of the team clicking together and rolling. We still may need superstar-like games from him to notch wins over the Lakers or Denver or Dallas or _____ in the playoffs, sure... but now we're getting into an area where predictions are based on 3 different teams, a Spurs team with Manu on it, a Spurs team with who knows on it, and an opponent who may still make moves themselves.
Disagree, if your definition of young guns is guys who had no chance of earning quality minutes on on this team.. trust me, I wouldn't give up this season for anything. I believe the Spurs have the team to win it all if Manu is healthy, but there's the next 2 seasons afterward to think about, too.. which is why I advocate trading for the right "younger guns" in the first place. No one knows if Manu can still play the way we know he can (and I'd be extremely surprised if he could consistently keep it up for a few years so that we're always in the title hunt until Timmy's retirement). If we could somehow get back to being the best defensive team in the League, I think we have the offense with TP, RJ and Tim (and dare I say guys like Dyess, Bonner, Mason and even Blair) to overcome any of the juggernaut teams'. The main question is who could we get to do that? I fully accept the notion no such trade may ever exist, and if so, let's keep Manu... I also admit that if the choice is too hard, I'd rather stick with Manu, as well; but that doesn't mean we should just ignore all options except your mysterious "gasol-like trade".Quote:
then trading him for young guns basically means you're forfeiting any more championships in the Duncan era.
What is your proposed Gasol-like trade?Quote:
Who are these 'younger athletes that can can contribute significantly on the defensive end'?
I've said already that there's no reason to sell low... Manu's skill level could still be very high (though I disagree it will ever be superstar level again, he won't get the minutes nor touches even if his body allowed), and his expiring is large.. he's worth more, perhaps even a lot more, than he should be - because of that unique combination.Quote:
Are they capable of doing that in the playoffs? You know, Tyrus Thomas is a kid that has a lot of potential, but he's got a lot to learn.
That said, Tyrus Thomas and Salmons is a trade I wouldn't do... good players, I think, don't get me wrong. Thomas is too slow BBiq wise, despite his athletic prowess. He is one who just couldn't have the type of defensive stamp we need right now.. and a strong defender is something I wouldn't label Salmons. Beside, I think this is one of the times when you can trade an offensive player like Ginobili for strong defenders who lack offensive games, because we have enough offense to supplement them as long as we are holding teams below 90...
I don't have any trade ideas myself, because I'm not in the Spurs FO and I essentially don't watch other teams or know much about the CBA, admittedly. Yet I would be very surprised if there aren't fairly attractive offers for Manu on the table right now, just not good enough for the wary/smart FO to jump on.
I would be surprised if they traded Manu, period. I'm not sure why they would trade him for another perimeter scorer though, since we have an overload of those..Quote:
I would be very surprised if Manu is healthy and the FO trades him for anything but another vet star-caliber player (You know, the VC, Wade kind of player).