Jefferson's Ineffectiveness Explained

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Originally Posted by honestfool84

RJ, Hill, Blair, AND McDyess.

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McDyess is over the hill and is only a role player now. Hill, Blair and Jefferson have far more upside and can add far more value than what the spurs are getting out of them.

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Originally Posted by Leetonidas

Everything you typed is completely irrelevant and devoid of any type of basketball knowledge. You sir, are a complete moron. Now, kindly sign out, drive to the I-10 overpass, and leap off. :tu

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Pretty sure that Fabbs is an Pop-hating troll. If you look through his past posts (in particular the threads he's started) it's hard to come to another logical conclusion for the idiocy.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

Are you applying for the position of Assistant Oil Boi to PopnFins and Bonner when they want to have a 3some? Is your avitar the mouth position you are assuming in anticipation, or is that just your perma mouth in all things Popped?

:lol You suck so badly.

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Seeing as how I'm not really a Finley or Bonner fan, no. I'm just not a retard like you, wasting a useless life with complaining on a message board about Popovich and Finley like it's gonna make a difference because I'm so depressed with everything else in my life that I have to fill the hole with constant whining and PMS-woman type bitching like a little cuckold faggot...

You're pretty sad. Every single one of your posts is the same. I kinda feel sorry for you, except I remember that you're a fucking doucher.

I feel kinda dumb for replying to your trollish behavior, but I would prefer if you realized that you're wasting your existence and go out and do something productive.

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Originally Posted by rascal

McDyess is over the hill and is only a role player now. Hill, Blair and Jefferson have far more upside and can add far more value than what the spurs are getting out of them.

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McDyess was hired to be a role player. He's a very valuable role player. I haven't seen very many guys get to the middle on him. 9 rebounds and 2 Blocked Shots in 23 minutes last night isn't too shabby.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

McDyess was hired to be a role player. He's a very valuable role player. I haven't seen very many guys get to the middle on him. 9 rebounds and 2 Blocked Shots in 23 minutes last night isn't too shabby.

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Really, was everyone expecting a big man next to Tim to make a lot of noise? Even D-Rob kept it (somewhat) quiet next to Duncan. He has (in my opinion), more or less found his defensive game on this squad and is still searching for his offense. Things all said and done, I think he'll be just as valuable getting us back in the upper standings as a clicking RJ, or a healthy Manu on the second squad (not counting how valuable "vintage" Manu is for close-outs). I, personally, still love the pick-up.

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Originally Posted by Leetonidas

Pop and his coaching staff know a lot more than anyone on here do and they are certainly aware of what RJ needs to be effective.

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I agree with this, BUT I think Pop is walking a fine line between carving out room for the new guys and preserving touches for the guys who won titles for us, and will represent SA in the HOF. I don't think that is an easy thing to do...it's probably even harder for a military man like Pop.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

Hardy merit a response. We won titles with Bruce Bowen and Man From Nazr. Got it?
The LOSER mentality that it's better to have a suck ass defender who follows orders is vs a real defender is....
As to Finley coming over for "cheap", we were the class of the NBA after 2005 and he wanted a title. Which he did not deliver but instead helped us lose to Dallas, the team that paid him 20 million to leave! The asstard has earned something like 127 million is his overpaid ass career. Plus he did NOT give the Spurs a break on his most recent indecent extension when he could have taken minimum. Get bent. You are clueless.

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I didn't say I agree with Pop's thinking, but I'm saying this was what Pop's thinkking. This is what makes us different from the Lakers.

Nazr blew too many assignments and had hands of steel. Bruce was probably what allowed Finley to hang around so long...

As for Finley being overpaid, that is what the Mavs are good at, has nothing to do with his career here...he was never overpaid here.

And for the record, Fin did win a title here. And I have advocated trading him for some time if you were wondering.

We're still under 20 games, I'm pretty sure we're achieving less than what Pop and the FO thought we'd be doing at this time, but I doubt they're pulling out clumps hair by the roots just yet. Last night, albeit against a poor Kings team, was the first time this season that I've noticed a lot of individual player glimpses of what could very well be in store later in season. Hope never stopped, and faith is now creeping in.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

Thanks, Parker 2112, for delivering this message in a gentle enough manner as not to offend Parker lovers.

Some of us are too blunt.

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Anyone with a screen name like Solid D can probably take exception to Parker now and then. There are always those of us who love what the Spurs brought on the defensive end, and hate to trade baskets with the opposition. But I think you can only blame Parker to a point...Pop always holds the final say.

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Originally Posted by Parker2112

Hence, the numerous dunks...

Sorry but I've seen him blow by guys on the baseline more than a few times this season.

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sorry... but, jefferson doesnt blow by anyone on the court....... he has a lot of trouble in ISO situations.... he needs to run pick an roll.

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Originally Posted by DesignatedT

sorry... but, jefferson doesnt blow by anyone on the court....... he has a lot of trouble in ISO situations.... he needs to run pick an roll.

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It depends on the defender. I have seen him resort to the shot at times, but I have also seen him drive the baseline and thrown down a reverse jam...as have you I assume.

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Originally Posted by Solid D

McDyess was hired to be a role player. He's a very valuable role player. I haven't seen very many guys get to the middle on him. 9 rebounds and 2 Blocked Shots in 23 minutes last night isn't too shabby.

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Yes, he collected 9 rebounds but he also gave up a ton of points in the paint. Our defense in the past was to crowd the shooters and make them drive into our shot blockers. The interior defense appears to be too slow to block enough of these shots for this to still be effective. This is why I still believe that Ian and Haislip deserve some PT because I think they could be very effective from this point of team defense.

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Originally Posted by Dex

Idunno, I'd venture to guess that most of those dunks came out of transition or cuts to the paint.

I'm not saying he's never able to get around people; he's a slasher. That's what slashers do.

To me though, he seems to either get cut off, pick up an offensive foul, or drive the ball into traffic more often than he ends up scoring on these attempts. At least earlier they were calling fouls when he got into the paint, but even that has trickled down (compounded by his own missed free throws).

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He has also had a tendency to pass out of his drives when he should be more aggressive. Not necessarily getting beat by the defense. His confidence has alot to do with it. He seems like he doesnt want to fuck up sometimes,...Well IMO.

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Originally Posted by Fabbs

The LOSER mentality that it's better to have a suck ass defender who follows orders is vs a real defender is....

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Not an actual debate or controversy. Noone here is advocating for 'suck ass defender[s].'

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Originally Posted by dbestpro

Yes, he collected 9 rebounds but he also gave up a ton of points in the paint. Our defense in the past was to crowd the shooters and make them drive into our shot blockers. The interior defense appears to be too slow to block enough of these shots for this to still be effective. This is why I still believe that Ian and Haislip deserve some PT because I think they could be very effective from this point of team defense.

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If you want specifically shot blocking then why would you suggest those two unproven rookies when you have one of the best shot blockers of the past decade, Theo Ratliff riding the pine?