vince carter and rasheed wallace

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Originally Posted by Interrohater

:lmao I don't know why you continuously state pure conjecture as a fact. This is a ridiculous statement.

Timmy and Tony are about equal as the "number one" option. That means, there's a number 3 option, which is normally reserved for Manu. For you to state that it's a fact that he'd be the number two option is sloppy forecasting because, as we've seen already, Tony has the ball most of the time. VC would not be "option number 2" behind Timmy. That is conjecture.

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Ya, because Jameer Nelson has been the 2nd option behind Dwight Howard because he had the ball more when he is healthy......

Orlando = Spurs?

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Originally Posted by Interrohater

Orlando = Spurs?

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We have a big man like Tim, they have Dwight, both anchors of the team offense. Vince Carter is even the number 1 option there. SVG said it as much, VC is their go-to guy at age 33, that was before Nelson's injury. To say he could not have been the number 2 option on the Spurs or does not have the capability to is wrong.

personally, I don't think their would be a 2nd option if VC were here. Between Parker and VC, It would come down to ever had the ball in his hands is going to shoot it.

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Originally Posted by murpjf88

personally, I don't think their would be a 2nd option if VC were here. Between Parker and VC, It would come down to ever had the ball in his hands is going to shoot it.

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exactly my point. I only argue with Chieflion because he states things that he has no way of knowing whether they're true or not as fact. Fine, Chief, that's the way it works in Orlando. San Antonio is not Orlando. We run different schemes, we have different players. Tim Duncan is not Dwight Howard and SVG is not Pop. I almost believe that you are so egotistical that you will never admit you're wrong, even when presented with evidence to the contrary.

If Vince Carter were in San Antonio, he'd definitely have already been shot in the face at a strip club. That is a fact.

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Originally Posted by Interrohater

exactly my point. I only argue with Chieflion because he states things that he has no way of knowing whether they're true or not as fact. Fine, Chief, that's the way it works in Orlando. San Antonio is not Orlando. We run different schemes, we have different players. Tim Duncan is not Dwight Howard and SVG is not Pop. I almost believe that you are so egotistical that you will never admit you're wrong, even when presented with evidence to the contrary.

If Vince Carter were in San Antonio, he'd definitely have already been shot in the face at a strip club. That is a fact.

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Fail. Cause the last time VC had baggage with him was in Toronto, where the media only fed half the story. The fans decided to quit on Vince Carter and the Raptors first.

First of all, basketball is not as complicated as you think. Both teams have good shooters surrounding their bigs, both teams shoot many threes. They have an all-star point guard, we have an all-star point guard, granted Nelson is a mid-range scorer while Parker is a penetrator. Do you still think Vince Carter would be taking a backseat to Tony Parker? Parker has changed his game for Jefferson. To say Carter would not have been 2nd option on a team where Parker, who is willing to get Jefferson more shots, who is lesser of an offensive player like VC is total crap. Despite Carter's "baggage", he would definitely be the 2nd option behind Duncan and the Spurs would have had a go-to guy who can take the clutch shots in the 4th. Ya, but keep hating cause VC bitched about leaving Toronto when it was apparent it was time to part ways for the Bosh era.

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Originally Posted by Interrohater

exactly my point. I only argue with Chieflion because he states things that he has no way of knowing whether they're true or not as fact. Fine, Chief, that's the way it works in Orlando. San Antonio is not Orlando. We run different schemes, we have different players. Tim Duncan is not Dwight Howard and SVG is not Pop. I almost believe that you are so egotistical that you will never admit you're wrong, even when presented with evidence to the contrary.

If Vince Carter were in San Antonio, he'd definitely have already been shot in the face at a strip club. That is a fact.

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GTFO with that weak shit!!! No, I need not admit anything. I would very much rather have VC over RJ any day of the week. If pop is so sick of ball hogs in SA, Parker would of been canned a long time ago.

Vince Carter

Season1931.6130-316.41138-108.35272-85.8470.54.44.8.68.421.582.743.019.5

RJ

Season2033.196-210.45720-55.36459-87.6780.73.74.3.80.251.852.252.713.6

The proof is in the pudding. I would much rather have a player on my team that wants to take charge and lead an offense rather than a guy who stands around waiting for the offense to come to him.

Just because he is a shoot first, pass second player for the magic does NOT mean he will be the same type of player in San Antonio. It's great to have a bunch of ball distributers on a team. Tell me, what would you classify Tony? Or doesn't he count.

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Originally Posted by Chieflion

Fail. Cause the last time VC had baggage with him was in Toronto, where the media only fed half the story. The fans decided to quit on Vince Carter and the Raptors first.

First of all, basketball is not as complicated as you think. Both teams have good shooters surrounding their bigs, both teams shoot many threes. They have an all-star point guard, we have an all-star point guard, granted Nelson is a mid-range scorer while Parker is a penetrator. Do you still think Vince Carter would be taking a backseat to Tony Parker? Parker has changed his game for Jefferson. To say Carter would not have been 2nd option on a team where Parker, who is willing to get Jefferson more shots, who is lesser of an offensive player like VC is total crap. Despite Carter's "baggage", he would definitely be the 2nd option behind Duncan and the Spurs would have had a go-to guy who can take the clutch shots in the 4th. Ya, but keep hating cause VC bitched about leaving Toronto when it was apparent it was time to part ways for the Bosh era.

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dude, wtf are you talking about? You can say FAIL all you want, but my last statement was aimed at pointing out to you how stupid it is to make up "facts". Who the hell even mentioned Toronto? You're insane.

How about this one: If VC had come here, he would have been hit by a falling pecan and fallen into the Riverwalk during a winter boat ride. After being fished out, VC would have come down with pneumonia and would be bed-ridden for 3 months, coming back to the team in February with legs that have atrophied from lack of use. With his now incredibly skinny legs, he would have banged knees with Tim Duncan's knee brace and shattered his femur, requiring 6 screws and a metal plate. His career would be over. Fact.

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Originally Posted by Interrohater

dude, wtf are you talking about? You can say FAIL all you want, but my last statement was aimed at pointing out to you how stupid it is to make up "facts". Who the hell even mentioned Toronto? You're insane.

How about this one: If VC had come here, he would have been hit by a falling pecan and fallen into the Riverwalk during a winter boat ride. After being fished out, VC would have come down with pneumonia and would be bed-ridden for 3 months, coming back to the team in February with legs that have atrophied from lack of use. With his now incredibly skinny legs, he would have banged knees with Tim Duncan's knee brace and shattered his femur, requiring 6 screws and a metal plate. His career would be over. Fact.

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Making up facts? This season further contributes to the fact VC is still playing all-star calibre ball even on a championship calibre team and capable of 2nd option on the Spurs. You got this season as proof, but keep on hating on VC.

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Originally Posted by murpjf88

GTFO with that weak shit!!! No, I need not admit anything. I would very much rather have VC over RJ any day of the week. If pop is so sick of ball hogs in SA, Parker would of been canned a long time ago. If it ever came

Vince Carter

Season1931.6130-316.41138-108.35272-85.8470.54.44.8.68.421.582.743.019.5

RJ

Season2033.196-210.45720-55.36459-87.6780.73.74.3.80.251.852.252.713.6

The proof is in the pudding. I would much rather have a player on my team that wants to take charge and lead an offense rather than a guy who stands around waiting for the offense to come to him.

Just because he is a shoot first, pass second player for the magic does NOT mean he will be the same type of player in San Antonio. It's great to have a bunch of ball distributers on a team. Tell me, what would you classify Tony? Or doesn't he count.

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:lmao I wasn't even talking about you. I agreed with you and talked about Chieflion. What the hell is going on in here? By the way, defend VC because he's so amazing and he's going to take charge and blah blah blah. Whatever, my point is: Neither of you can definitively say that this or that would happen because it DID NOT HAPPEN. Therefore, everything you say is supposition and has no relevancy.

Also, If Corey Maggette had been here, he would have been the 2nd option behind Tim Duncan. Fact.

In addition, I have no idea what those stats are. And we already have "a player on my team that wants to take charge and lead an offense". His name is Tony Parker. His name is Tony Parker. His name is Tony Parker. His name is Tony Parker.

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Originally Posted by Chieflion

Making up facts? This season further contributes to the fact VC is still playing all-star calibre ball even on a championship calibre team and capable of 2nd option on the Spurs. You got this season as proof, but keep on hating on VC.

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I don't hate VC. What makes you say that? Do you actually understand what a fact is? My qualm is that you, and you do this often by the way, create something that while YOU think is a fact, is, in fact, NOT.

For instance: Interrohater says that if the Spurs had been able to trade for Emeka Okafor, they would rank number one in the league in interior defense. While it sounds plausible, I can't state that as a fact because it is solely conjecture. I have no idea how Tim and Emeka would mesh as a frontcourt, I have no idea if Emeka would be able to get the system down, maybe he'd get replaced by Marcus Haislip. Who the hell knows? My point is that you have no idea, so how can you state it as fact?

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Originally Posted by Interrohater

:lmao I wasn't even talking about you. I agreed with you and talked about Chieflion. What the hell is going on in here? By the way, defend VC because he's so amazing and he's going to take charge and blah blah blah. Whatever, my point is: Neither of you can definitively say that this or that would happen because it DID NOT HAPPEN. Therefore, everything you say is supposition and has no relevancy.

Also, If Corey Maggette had been here, he would have been the 2nd option behind Tim Duncan. Fact.

In addition, I have no idea what those stats are. And we already have "a player on my team that wants to take charge and lead an offense". His name is Tony Parker. His name is Tony Parker. His name is Tony Parker. His name is Tony Parker.

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My bad, I saw this at the end of your post and thought it was meant for me. "I almost believe that you are so egotistical that you will never admit you're wrong, even when presented with evidence to the contrary.":bang

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Originally Posted by murpjf88

My bad, I saw this at the end of your post and thought it was meant for me. "I almost believe that you are so egotistical that you will never admit you're wrong, even when presented with evidence to the contrary.":bang

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:lol it's cool :toast

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Originally Posted by Interrohater

:lmao I wasn't even talking about you. I agreed with you and talked about Chieflion. What the hell is going on in here? By the way, defend VC because he's so amazing and he's going to take charge and blah blah blah. Whatever, my point is: Neither of you can definitively say that this or that would happen because it DID NOT HAPPEN. Therefore, everything you say is supposition and has no relevancy.

Also, If Corey Maggette had been here, he would have been the 2nd option behind Tim Duncan. Fact.

In addition, I have no idea what those stats are. And we already have "a player on my team that wants to take charge and lead an offense". His name is Tony Parker. His name is Tony Parker. His name is Tony Parker. His name is Tony Parker.

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Corey Maggette and Vince Carter are two completely different players. It is useless trying to make ludicrous statements which have nothing to do with basketball made by you in the 1st place anyway. What, VC into the riverwalk? You are just reaching here. Can't you accept the fact that Vince Carter is a better player than RJ and Tony Parker? If you want to think Parker > Vince as a scorer, go ahead, but at least make a substantial point and stop bitching. Watch the games, and you will understand. VC draws more fouls, and is a better all-around scorer when compared to Parker. Therefore, it is plausible that he would be the 2nd option behind Duncan on the Spurs.

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Originally Posted by Chieflion

Corey Maggette and Vince Carter are two completely different players. It is useless trying to make ludicrous statements which have nothing to do with basketball made by you in the 1st place anyway. What, VC into the riverwalk? You are just reaching here. Can't you accept the fact that Vince Carter is a better player than RJ and Tony Parker? If you want to think Parker > Vince as a scorer, go ahead, but at least make a substantial point and stop bitching.

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Hahaha, you see? That's my whole point there. Now you're accusing me of the same thing that you've done by stating that VC would be the 2nd option as a fact. Yes, VC is a better player than RJ, did I ever say any different? Everything I've written on here had nothing to do with RJ.

You know what homie? I really think that what I'm saying has gone way over your head. Even things I say sarcastically you are taking seriously.

Either way, RJ is here, VC is not. I win.

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Originally Posted by Chieflion

Therefore, it is plausible that he would be the 2nd option behind Duncan on the Spurs.

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There. You fixed it. Plausible. Not fact.

Celebration time.

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Originally Posted by Interrohater

Hahaha, you see? That's my whole point there. Now you're accusing me of the same thing that you've done by stating that VC would be the 2nd option as a fact. Yes, VC is a better player than RJ, did I ever say any different? Everything I've written on here had nothing to do with RJ.

You know what homie? I really think that what I'm saying has gone way over your head. Even things I say sarcastically you are taking seriously.

Either way, RJ is here, VC is not. I win.

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Because those things have nothing to do with basketball. If you want to make a basketball argument, talk basketball. Once again, RJ did not fit as well as some of you defending him here think he would. If you drag out VC as a player on the Spurs, you would have to talk about RJ because you can't have both, and the Spurs picked Jefferson. OP stated VC and Sheed were junk (bullshit). VC would be the 2nd option on the Spurs because he is the better scorer when compared to Parker, true. And therefore, he would be 2nd option. But you can continue spouting nonsense if you like.

Nonsense.

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Originally Posted by Interrohater

Nonsense.

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Cool. You just made a worthless post and upped your post count.

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Originally Posted by Chieflion

Cool. You just made a worthless post and upped your post count.

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:lol Talk about the pot calling the kettle black. You're a piece of work homie. Again, the ego is amazing. You won't let it go, you absolutely must have the last post. I know you'll post immediately after this, proving me right. Again.