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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
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Originally Posted by
romain.star
manu is not the problem right now, Parker is. He is the one who got the keys of the truck. The Spurs will live or die with TP ability to adjust his game to the newcomers.
Agreed.
Without him having a good game it is difficult for the Spurs to win. He is where everything starts. It seems that he is trying to get RJ and the others more involved but at his expense. I wonder if he can really concentrate on being a pass first PG in the beginning of the game and later go back to his old style.
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Originally Posted by
SenorSpur
To me, Parker's offensive struggles, ball-hogging and dumb-ass turnovers have had the most negative impact on team performance. While Duncan is still the hub, Parker is the PG, head of the snake, and chief playcaller. His play and decisions have direct impacts on newcomers like RJ. After that, I would say RJ's underwhelming integration, Manu looking merely ordinary and the complete erosion of team defense as next biggest factors.
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Both TP and RJ haven't made the impact on this team that I thought they would have by. TP is either tried from the summer or with the nagging injuries or both. Frankly I can't figure out what's up with him right now. This isn't the TP we've seen in the past few seasons. And as for RJ I think he just doesn't seem to have gotten with the system so far. I think he needs to come off the bench and be the main focus on O rather than defer to TD.
And Manu is inconsistent. The last 3 games - not counting the Suns - he has been very good but last night he just didn't seem to have it.
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Originally Posted by
SenorSpur
Just as the players are running out of excuses, so is Pop for not drastically shaking these up and trying some "unconventional" combinations - like playing some young players. They may make some mistakes of commission, but at least they will give consistent energy, effort and defense.
Time to play with the lineups again. If they continue to play .500 ball with the status quo then what could it hurt to insert other players and see what happens.
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
pop should call out them pathetic players or tell them go find another team
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
Coaching is the problem. It's Pop's job to get the team to click together. And I think we are doing fine. People just overexaggerate every loss. The suns are undefeated at home people. Just because we aren't the team to end their streak doesn't mean we need to "blow the team up".
We will get there. It's only December.
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
maybe pop should hand in his resignation.......:D
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
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Originally Posted by
JustinJDW
We will get there. It's only December.
I knew someone would say it.
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
one of the things that is really missing from Parker's game this year i've noticed is his jumpshot. dude showed last year and the year before that he worked on it and it was becoming a staple in his offense, but not anymore. he was DEADLY when it was shooting and making them because the defensive had to step up - and you know what that means for a guy like TP (even he looks on the slow side like he has this year). anyway, that has completely left his game. he's driving and forcing everything now. USE YOU'RE FUCKING JUMPER, TP. THAT'S WHY YOU SPEND SO MUCH TIME W/ CHIP, REMEMBER? MAY THE CHIP BE WITH YOU, PLEASE...
right now it's an underrated part of the problem with this team because teams are stepping back and waiting for him, causing him to turn the ball over and not set other people up.
i swear, this team has soooo much damn potential, as we've seen on some nights, but on others it's like they take step back to where they were a wekk before. this consistency of their progress or lack there of is the frustrating thing. i wouldn't be mad if this team just plain sucked and had no potential, but they've shown flashes fo brilliance.
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
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Originally Posted by
mingus
one of the things that is really missing from parker's game this year i've noticed is his jumpshot. Dude showed last year and the year before that he worked on it and it was becoming a staple in his offense, but not anymore. He was deadly when it was shooting and making them because the defensive had to step up - and you know what that means for a guy like tp (even he looks on the slow side like he has this year). Anyway, that has completely left his game. He's driving and forcing everything now. Use you're fucking jumper, tp. That's why you spend so much time w/ chip, remember? May the chip be with you, please...
Right now it's an underrated part of the problem with this team because teams are stepping back and waiting for him, causing him to turn the ball over and not set other people up.
I swear, this team has soooo much damn potential, as we've seen on some nights, but on others it's like they take step back to where they were a wekk before. This consistency of their progress or lack there of is the frustrating thing. I wouldn't be mad if this team just plain sucked and had no potential, but they've shown flashes fo brilliance.
exactly!!!
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
parker jump shot is off because he has no lift
not to hard to know
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
Ducks is correct. When a player, especially a player like TP who does not have a great mechanical jump shot to begin with, gets injured and cannot get lift, their shot suffers.
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
Any Spur fan can't help but think if only he had rested in the Summer.
Oh well...
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
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Originally Posted by
DPG21920
Ducks is correct. When a player, especially a player like TP who does not have a great mechanical jump shot to begin with, gets injured and cannot get lift, their shot suffers.
It's a big reason why we haven't been seeing hardly any teardrops, as well. And Parker hasn't shot a 'pull up' fast break jumper since 2004.
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
If he can't get any lift, he shouldn't even be playing..if he's this bad right now, imagine what he's going to look like in the playoffs..he clearly needs a rest..
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
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Originally Posted by
ducks
parker jump shot is off because he has no lift
not to hard to know
Parker's fault for playing over the summer. Seems like he prefers to get his ass kicked in international games rather than try to win another 'ship in SA.
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
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Originally Posted by
JustinJDW
Coaching is the problem. It's Pop's job to get the team to click together. And I think we are doing fine. People just overexaggerate every loss. The suns are undefeated at home people. Just because we aren't the team to end their streak doesn't mean we need to "blow the team up".
We will get there. It's only December.
Here we go again with the it's only December crap, it's getting old.
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
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Originally Posted by
Spursmania
BS, enough people have ragged on Manu as well. One cannot deny TP's play in France has hindered his ability to come into the season fresh and ready to play.
TP is young and he looks like an old man out there with his lack of energy and D. We know TP can play great but thus far he has been a dud when we really needed him as have Manu, RJ and many Spur players. But, it's not only TP or Manu's fault. The team is just not playing anywhere near their capabilities.
The team needed TP, Manu and RJ to step up last night. All 3 played below their capabilities.
You know what if Tony is fatigued from playing with France then it is even worse than Manu doing it because Manu never looked this bad ever when he came back from International play.
Tony is a lot younger than Manu and he can't handle it at all.
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
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Originally Posted by
Indazone
Calderon is the consumate point guard. Great court vision and assists. He'd actually be better for the Spurs than anyone else.
Personally, I love Jose, but he may be the worst defensive PG in the NBA.
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
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Originally Posted by
lefty
Giving up 67 pts in a half is nit typical SPurs basketball.
Our defense looked actually worse than the Suns', you can't go any lower than that.
It that's not a wake up call for Pop and his team, then there is no hope
The problem is Pop should have stuck with defense last season. It's been too long since defense was emphasized here. He wanted more offense last year and totally went away from what Spurs Basketball is and now they can't seem to regain any sort of defensive cohesion.
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
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Originally Posted by
Ice009
The problem is Pop should have stuck with defense last season. It's been too long since defense was emphasized here. He wanted more offense last year and totally went away from what Spurs Basketball is and now they can't seem to regain any sort of defensive cohesion.
Did Pop explicitly de-emphasize defense last year? No doubt the defense was less effective last year, but, did Pop actually shift Spurs strategy away from defense?
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
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Originally Posted by
Brazil
Except Tim Duncan and Blair the whole team including the coach has been pathetic !
Really I don't understand the need to point out somebody: Tp, RJ, Manu, Bonner, Dice, Hill (yes Hill has been pathetic too), Pop... there is no one to be saved after this game and after this beginning of the season. No One Is Innocent.
Yeah I agree.
All those players you listed were no good. When Goran Dragic outplays Hill then Hill really needs to get his ass in gear. I know Hill was mainly on Steve Nash, but he really isn't getting much better. I thought Hill was going to be more aggressive and drive to the rack this season. I thought the same thing about RJ and have been wrong on both accounts.
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
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Originally Posted by
ploto
Personally, I love Jose, but he may be the worst defensive PG in the NBA.
No the worst defensive PG in the NBA would be Nash but you'd take him wouldn't you?
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
Nash takes charges, he's a much better team defender than Calderon..
Calderon is garbage, I would throw up if he was a starter on this team..
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
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Originally Posted by
HarlemHeat37
Nash takes charges, he's a much better team defender than Calderon..
Calderon is garbage, I would throw up if he was a starter on this team..
Point taken. Since you are in Toronto quite a bit I will take your word for it. I definitely wouldn't want him if his defense was that bad.
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
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Originally Posted by
HarlemHeat37
Nash takes charges, he's a much better team defender than Calderon..
Calderon is garbage, I would throw up if he was a starter on this team..
+1 we don't need or want calderon
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Re: Pop says “too many pathetic games from too many people.”
Maybe parkers jumpshot is off because he spent the past two summers before this past one with chip working on his jumpshot where as this past summer he just played internationally.
