Kobe's bogus and-1 ... the real reason the Lakers beat the Bucks

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Originally Posted by Ed Helicopter Jones

She did, actually...right after she asked why a Lakers fan is hanging out on a Spurs message board.

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You didnt stick around? I was the next caller in, even convinced her to register when I said how fun it is to watch every spursfan melt down when an opposing team goes on a 6-0 run in the second quarter. Like a good movie. :downspin:

Look at Bogut shuffle his feet and then fly back like he was hit with a cannonball. Call it like it is:

Block and FLOP!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2G6LymlDMk

Don't know why people are surprised by this. Even when the Lakers sucked, Kobe was still getting a ridiculous amount of calls in his favor(phantom foul vs the Jazz for example)

he spun into a double team while picking his dribble up from the free throw line. crazy

this is whats shocking to me! all this news about bogus calls and how kobe was given rings, and they still dont slack off on their agenda!!!!! you know the only thing that can stop the lakers now is an injury. they have the leagues best players and officials rooting for them. unbelievable

What's this about "not letting a foul call in the final seconds determine the winner?"

Brent got badly fouled by Fish in the elimination game, no call.

Those Lakers are really magic teflon.

Here's what gets me ...

This is overtime. Lakers down by 4. Ref sees a .... just for the sake of argument let's call it a 50/50 call.

How in the world do you call an and-1 on that?

I'm OK with blocking no shot, travel, charge, or no call. The and-1 is totally uneccessary and unfair.

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Originally Posted by Flux451

TRAVEL!!!

who cares about the charge watch his feet

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Exactly. Four steps at least.

A blocking foul on Bogut, he was shuffling his feet
but the basket shouldnt have counted
Kobe took an extra step because of the colliosion

So the right call would be a blocking foul without counting the basket

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

What's this about "not letting a foul call in the final seconds determine the winner?"

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They had to call something because Bogut flopped and fell down.

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Originally Posted by siraulo23

A blocking foul on Bogut, he was shuffling his feet
but the basket shouldnt have counted
Kobe took an extra step because of the colliosion

So the right call would be a blocking foul without counting the basket

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It's very easy to miss a travel with a play happening that fast and the refs getting distracted by the contact and Bogut launching himself backwards. The refs end up watching Bgout instead of Kobe's feet. Ironically, Bogut trying to sell a call may have cost his team even more.

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Originally Posted by Capt Bringdown

The Bucks should have reminded Kobe that he has a broken finger with hard fouls all night. Letting a player with a broken finger dump 39 points on you is a disgrace.

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Huh?

According to a lot of faggots, he doesn't have a broken finger. It's all dramatics.

That was a travel and charge but who cares? Kobe always gets the BS calls and the Laker Homers just ignore it. Who cares though? This is the Spurs Forum.

refs favor the lakers

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Originally Posted by jack0fspeed

Here's what gets me ...

This is overtime. Lakers down by 4. Ref sees a .... just for the sake of argument let's call it a 50/50 call.

How in the world do you call an and-1 on that?

I'm OK with blocking no shot, travel, charge, or no call. The and-1 is totally uneccessary and unfair.

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Why the League chose an alleged rapist to be its Golden Boy is beyond me, but Bryant has gotten more calls over his career than Jordan ever dreamt of getting. This was yet another one, and it cost Milwaukee the game. Then again, the League doesn't care about the Milwaukee Bucks.

This is why I've always marveled at how the Spurs were able to win four titles. We all know they NEVER got the benefit of calls down the stretch. In order to beat the Lakers and the refs, you have to play nearly flawless basketball and hit a very high percentage of your open shots. The one thing the refs can't control is open shotmaking. Shots in traffic they can control, and they can put guys like Bryant on the line even when the entire human race knows it's a bogus call. We've seen it about 95,000 times since Bryant came into the league.

The League is already shamed, but it should really be ashamed of itself over this game last night. Trouble is, it happens so often that NOBODY is surprised by it. As soon as the call was made, even Laker announcer Joel Meyers said, "It's called a block! Ooh...the Lakers catch a break on the road."

Whatever comes out of Stern's mouth is complete lip service. Nothing has changed in this league.

It was a clear travel and IF it was a blocking foul, clearly not continuation..

The entire game was officiated poorly, as usual for Laker games..it's sad that the NBA treats us like idiots and doesn't even try to hide it..

gotta love Spurs fans complaining about traveling while we've been benefiting from Manu's traveling escapades for years :lol

that was a tough call for the officials. I think the right call would have been a block on bogut without the and-1, but I have trouble faulting the refs for the call that was made. much worse continuation calls are made all the time.

Where in the rule book says that a defender must have his feet set to get the charge? This "ah, his foot was moving, blocking foul" is one of the most persistent myths in the basketball world. Get a grip.

Yikes. Glad y'all aren't refs.

This isn't even close. Foul on Bogut.

Holy crap you even have a slo mo replay that validates it.

Look, I'm not a Kobe or Lakers fan, but facts is facts.

Look, you can't be moving into a player's path when he goes up for the shot, even if the player hits you rather than the other way around, it's still a foul on you.

You can be moving, but not laterally.

I'll give you that there might be a little extra step in there and technically that could have been a travel -- but it was after the bump and so worst case it'd disallow the field goal. I never see NBA refs call that, superstar or not, unless it's blatant.

mods, could this stench on Kome please be moved where it belongs -NBA Forum.

Damn people...trying to be objective...blah blah blah...that late into the game with what actually happened=terrible call. Nothing new...its not just the Lakers, the Refs are just ugly this year. That was an obvious travel and a 50/50 blocking call despite the semi lift of his foot and lean of his body. They should have just let it go or just call the block with no continuation. It was an ugly call but I have seen worse this year. Its Kobe,...he is "suppose to get those calls"....blah blah blah.

I hate Kome Cryant as much as the next person, but that was a legit call. It could have gone either way.

Quit being Spurs Homers/Laker haters and look at it objectively.

It was questionable but there's no definitive proof that it was a bad call.

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Originally Posted by YoMamaIsCallin

Yikes. Glad y'all aren't refs.

This isn't even close. Foul on Bogut.

Holy crap you even have a slo mo replay that validates it.

Look, I'm not a Kobe or Lakers fan, but facts is facts.

Look, you can't be moving into a player's path when he goes up for the shot, even if the player hits you rather than the other way around, it's still a foul on you.

You can be moving, but not laterally.

I'll give you that there might be a little extra step in there and technically that could have been a travel -- but it was after the bump and so worst case it'd disallow the field goal. I never see NBA refs call that, superstar or not, unless it's blatant.

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Kobe lowered his shoulder into him and another player forcing the play...it wasnt as if Bogut ran into the lane...He was there. He shifted his body and his foot slightly...yes...And Kobe did travel. It was late in the game and it shouldnt have been called like that. Fouls are determined like this all of the time. Its called letting them play. The bad thing is the Refs just decide when to let them play and when not to. This time it cost the Bucks a game. Its nothing new and will not go away, but dont make excuses for a 50/50 call that could go either way and shouldnt have gone to either. IMO of course. :)

Its just caca.

You know it's a bad call when Kobe's fans on ESPN television actually come out and say it's a bad call..

I think its great that once in a while Spurs fans expend their energy criiticizing people aside from th Spurs.