Spurs Are Coasting Till The All Star Break

I honestly believe this. No need to go all out so early and have Tim, TP, Manu injured in the Playoffs. TP seems to be messing around out there. He isn't trying on D. His speed is rarely being used. He talks to officials all game long. Tim is getting his in about 32 mins a game. Tim is being singled a lot. Which means he doesn't have to try hard.

Our bench is working hard out there. Once the starters start playing 100% watch the fuck out. McDyess and Jefferson seem to be learning the system while playing. By Feb they'll be more involved. Jefferson is way better than what he has shown. McDyess is a slow starter. He'll be playing like he did for the Pistons last season in no time. Hill is improving. Blair should only get better. Dude is a beast.

I'll support the team no matter what. I know with a healthy Tim Duncan in a 7 game series the Spurs have a chance against anyone.

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Originally Posted by Mr.Robinson

I honestly believe this. No need to go all out so early and have Tim, TP, Manu injured in the Playoffs. TP seems to be messing around out there. He isn't trying on D. His speed is rarely being used. He talks to officials all game long. Tim is getting his in about 32 mins a game. Tim is being singled a lot. Which means he doesn't have to try hard.

Our bench is working hard out there. Once the starters start playing 100% watch the fuck out. McDyess and Jefferson seem to be learning the system while playing. By Feb they'll be more involved. Jefferson is way better than what he has shown. McDyess is a slow starter. He'll be playing like he did for the Pistons last season in no time. Hill is improving. Blair should only get better. Dude is a beast.

I'll support the team no matter what. I know with a healthy Tim Duncan in a 7 game series the Spurs have a chance against anyone.

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I'll second most of this sentiment. It's too early to write off the new guys McDyess and Jefferson, they are still getting used to Pop's system.

Parker otoh played like garbage in the suns game. After impressing with a few 10+ assist games that had everyone ooing and ahhhing he went right back to what plagued him earlier this year. Namely chucking low % shots, turning the ball over repeatedly and playing all-around selfish basketball.

While I hope this is the case I have to disagree. Keep in mind that once again Duncan is doing what we hoped he wouldnt have to do. Carry us. Also keep in mind we are A glaring 2-8 20% against .500 plus teams. I dont think its that much coasting in the world. Not to mention losing very winnable games and squandering leads. Duncan is laboring and if he is anywhere near injured come po time you can cancel christmas for our spurs. I wont be negative as I still believe but it doesnt look to good. We'll see.

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Originally Posted by TJastal

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I'll second most of this sentiment. It's too early to write off the new guys McDyess and Jefferson, they are still getting used to Pop's system.

Parker otoh played like garbage in the suns game. After impressing with a few 10+ assist games that had everyone ooing and ahhhing he went right back to what plagued him earlier this year. Namely chucking low % shots, turning the ball over repeatedly and playing all-around selfish basketball.

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FAIL. When parker had those 10 assists games he also had like 7 turnovers in one of them and 6 or 5 in the other... :wakeup

TOs are why we lose games.

They are going to coast themselves right out of the playoffs...

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Originally Posted by urunobili

FAIL. When parker had those 10 assists games he also had like 7 turnovers in one of them and 6 or 5 in the other... :wakeup

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Why nit-pick my point? I still say turnovers aside, I think we're all happy that Tony Parker has at least acknowledged the fact that he needs to start looking at getting other involved, especially early on in the game. I'll live with the turnovers as long as this is a learning process that is going to improve over time.

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Originally Posted by spurspokesman

While I hope this is the case I have to disagree. Keep in mind that once again Duncan is doing what we hoped he wouldnt have to do. Carry us. Also keep in mind we are A glaring 2-8 20% against .500 plus teams. I dont think its that much coasting in the world. Not to mention losing very winnable games and squandering leads. Duncan is laboring and if he is anywhere near injured come po time you can cancel christmas for our spurs. I wont be negative as I still believe but it doesnt look to good. We'll see.

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Agreed:tu

Right now the spurs are the 7th seed and a couple victories from the 5th seed. That's pretty good considering all the missed games Parker and Ginobili and others have missed.


Right now the standing look like

Lakers 20-4
Nuggets 19-7
Mavs 19-7
Suns 17-9
Jazz 15-10
Blazers 16-11
Spurs 13-10
Rockets 14-11

I think when all is said and done they are going to move up into the #3 seed, as I think they are better than all those teams in front of them.

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Originally Posted by spurspokesman

While I hope this is the case I have to disagree. Keep in mind that once again Duncan is doing what we hoped he wouldnt have to do. Carry us. Also keep in mind we are A glaring 2-8 20% against .500 plus teams. I dont think its that much coasting in the world. Not to mention losing very winnable games and squandering leads. Duncan is laboring and if he is anywhere near injured come po time you can cancel christmas for our spurs. I wont be negative as I still believe but it doesnt look to good. We'll see.

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Yep, keep thinking that 23 games into the season.:bang Please stop posting your negative, repetitive, played out posts. What's next your "we need Camby post" ? :bang

I agree with this thread in the case for Parker. He just looks like his head is in France or something. I have been most disappointed with him. I hate to see him when he gets mad at another player and chews him out. He needs to lead by example. Get your head in the game Tony. Learn how to make other players better by creating and dishing. I would'nt put you on the all star team with the way you are playing right now.

I think aside from that bulls game early in the year Duncan hasn't looked all that stressed. He's putting up MVP caliber numbers and making it look easy, really.

His minutes are still under 35 and he doesn't have to work as hard defending the paint since Bonner moved out of the starting lineup.

He's also getting alot of help this year offensively as well.

One thing that MAJORLY concerns me however is what Pop is going to do w/ Finley once he comes back. Pop needs to just bench Fin and let Roger Mason step into the full time backup position behind Bogans. Ppo can ill-afford to have too many guys in the rotation and minutes too spread out. The rotation without Finley right now is just right, 20 mins each to Bogans and Roger.

If Pop throws Finley in and thins out the minutes even more, it will only cause dissension and chaos amongst the players and could ruin any good chemistry the team has developed.

This has the potential to be a huge problem.

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Originally Posted by [email protected]

Yep, keep thinking that 23 games into the season.:bang Please stop posting your negative, repetitive, played out posts. What's next your "we need Camby post" ? :bang

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Keep in mind that i'm not being negative. If you want to pull the wool over your eyes thats cool but I am just stating the facts. We are getting handled by teams we are supposed to be beating jack. I'm not calling anyone out or am I? Just stating that we are not currently playing well. If we are I'm sorry I missed it jack. And i like cambys hustle and he outplays all our bigs with his hands behind his back excluding duncan. Not saying we will get him but I think he'd fit. Later

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Originally Posted by Mr.Robinson

I honestly believe this. No need to go all out so early and have Tim, TP, Manu injured in the Playoffs. TP seems to be messing around out there. He isn't trying on D. His speed is rarely being used. He talks to officials all game long. Tim is getting his in about 32 mins a game. Tim is being singled a lot. Which means he doesn't have to try hard.

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I don't think that's true at all. Tim might only play 32 mpg, but he is carrying this team on both ends of the court, which means a lot more wear and tear than we hoped he would be exposed to during the RS.

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Originally Posted by spurspokesman

Keep in mind that i'm not being negative. If you want to pull the wool over your eyes thats cool but I am just stating the facts. We are getting handled by teams we are supposed to be beating jack. I'm not calling anyone out or am I? Just stating that we are not currently playing well. If we are I'm sorry I missed it jack. And i like cambys hustle and he outplays all our bigs with his hands behind his back excluding duncan. Not saying we will get him but I think he'd fit. Later

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Name's BenJarvus, not Jack. You've made your point many times with the same drivel. If you have something else to say than post away, but if it's the same "Spurs are done" and "we need Camby" posts save it for another msg board. That goes for all the other fans like you.

This team isn't coasting at all. They can't afford to coast, period. This team has lost leads late in games and let some slip away that could have easily been won. Those losses could come back and haunt them later on. Anyway they just haven't been able to integrate RJ and the other newbies into the system very well so far. I see signs that it is coming around but this process has taken way more time than I expected. I should have clued into Pop's statements early on about it taking time to get it together. :bang

I'm still looking towards late January thru the ASB/RR trip to really see what this team will be. By then it will be apparent and that is what we will have to live with.

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Originally Posted by NFGIII

This team isn't coasting at all. They can't afford to coast, period. This team has lost leads late in games and let some slip away that could have easily been won. Those losses could come back and haunt them later on. Anyway they just haven't been able to integrate RJ and the other newbies into the system very well so far. I see signs that it is coming around but this process has taken way more time than I expected. I should have clued into Pop's statements early on about it taking time to get it together. :bang

I'm still looking towards late January thru the ASB/RR trip to really see what this team will be. By then it will be apparent and that is what we will have to live with.

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This is what you get when you take the entire training camp, pre-season and part of the regular season to figure out that Matt Bonner and Michael Finley are no longer starting caliber players. Something that was obvious to most spurs fans by the end of last season.

And then on top of that you throw another guy in the starting lineup partway through the season (Bogans) who was originally signed as a cheap insurance policy only.

So right there, you've got major changes going on in the starting lineups.

Then figure that Jefferson, Blair and McDyess are all new to the system, Parker, Duncan, Manu, and Mason have all missed games w/ various ailments, and its just going to take awhile to get anybody in a groove.

I actually think the spurs are doing pretty damn good despite everything that's going on. They are right there in the thick of things, a few games back from being a 4th or 5th seed. It's doubtful they will catch the lakers or nuggets, but I give them a good chance to eventually move past the mavericks to the #3 seed.

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Originally Posted by [email protected]

Name's BenJarvus, not Jack. You've made your point many times with the same drivel. If you have something else to say than post away, but if it's the same "Spurs are done" and "we need Camby" posts save it for another msg board. That goes for all the other fans like you.

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In A nutshell I only judge my team against the elites because thats the way I view them at this point and we are looking up at them to this point. I really dont care to continue as I hold my judgements to mid season when you can really evaluate but I responded to the OP comments of coasting. Question is do you think its coasting?? Please respond accordingly and respectful as I have only posted to you in this manner.Also where did I state the spurs were done? WOW? I mentioned they wouldnt take it all without duncan? Have they ever?

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Originally Posted by TJastal

This is what you get when you take the entire training camp, pre-season and part of the regular season to figure out that Matt Bonner and Michael Finley are no longer starting caliber players. Something that was obvious to most spurs fans by the end of last season.

And then on top of that you throw another guy in the starting lineup partway through the season (Bogans) who was originally signed as a cheap insurance policy only.

So right there, you've got major changes going on in the starting lineups.

Then figure that Jefferson, Blair and McDyess are all new to the system, Parker, Duncan, Manu, and Mason have all missed games w/ various ailments, and its just going to take awhile to get anybody in a groove.

I actually think the spurs are doing pretty damn good despite everything that's going on. They are right there in the thick of things, a few games back from being a 4th or 5th seed. It's doubtful they will catch the lakers or nuggets, but I give them a good chance to eventually move past the mavericks to the #3 seed.

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I agree with your points, especially the one in bold. Considering what this team has gone thru being 13-10 as of now is pretty good. Many wont agree with that but this team has gone through some major changes so it's going to take time to gell.

Case in point would be Blair. He was getting eaten alive early on with the P/R. Now he has learned to play it better as well as learning how to use his body in getting shots off down low. He still gets blocked but not as much IMHO. And even when blocked he still plays through it. Sean made mention of that aginst GS. Dude is picking it up and can only get better. Same goes with all the other newbies.

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Originally Posted by NFGIII

I agree with your points, especially the one in bold. Considering what this team has gone thru being 13-10 as of now is pretty good. Many wont agree with that but this team has gone through some major changes so it's going to take time to gell.

Case in point would be Blair. He was getting eaten alive early on with the P/R. Now he has learned to play it better as well as learning how to use his body in getting shots off down low. He still gets blocked but not as much IMHO. And even when blocked he still plays through it. Sean made mention of that aginst GS. Dude is picking it up and can only get better. Same goes with all the other newbies.

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Yah, Blair's progressing nicely. I still think throwing him into the starting lineup now would be a huge mistake though. He's got a lot to learn yet, and I don't think the spurs can afford to lose games just to give him some tutelage. McDyess is a veteran player who understands what its going to take once the the going starts getting rough and I feel alot more confident knowing he's got Timmy's back.

What I find worrisome is that this first part of the season is the most easy part of our schedule this season. Maybe even the easiest in the league. However this only means that the later part of our season is going to be brutal. I really hope losing like this in this part of the season wont come to haunt the Spurs in the end.

Bottom line, Spurs need to find a way to get it all together. Can they? Of course! However you can sugar coat it all you want but as of right now Spurs are playing poorly.

As for TD I completely disagree with the OP. Timmy is playing all out right now because he pretty much has had to to keep this team from sinking.

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Originally Posted by [email protected]

Name's BenJarvus, not Jack. You've made your point many times with the same drivel. If you have something else to say than post away, but if it's the same "Spurs are done" and "we need Camby" posts save it for another msg board. That goes for all the other fans like you.

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Ok, let me get it strait. OP posts something we disagree with but since we disagree with it we are not allowed to post since it's not what you like? Gotacha :tu

Now that I know this I'll PM you first and ask you if it's ok to post.

Seriously , if we all agreed on everything what the hell would we have to talk about?

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Originally Posted by Chomag

Ok, let me get it strait. OP posts something we disagree with but since we disagree with it we are not allowed to post since it's not what you like? Gotacha :tu

Now that I know this I'll PM you first and ask you if it's ok to post.

Seriously , if we all agreed on everything what the hell would we have to talk about?

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Exactly. Some posters are wise in there own eyes and feel only they can post. News flash. At the end of the day we are just avid spur fans that just want our team to win and we buy tix to see them and jerseys etc so we have the right to debate and vent. Its posters like this that sour the experience of forums with disrespecting others they don't know because there opinions differ. Very lame. Good post chomag

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Originally Posted by TJastal

Yah, Blair's progressing nicely. I still think throwing him into the starting lineup now would be a huge mistake though. He's got a lot to learn yet, and I don't think the spurs can afford to lose games just to give him some tutelage. McDyess is a veteran player who understands what its going to take once the the going starts getting rough and I feel alot more confident knowing he's got Timmy's back.

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Agreed but down the line I would like to see him start a few games. Maybe not to be a permanent starter but to throw him in on occasion and see what happens. That may not be practical now or later but just a thought. I like the fact that I think he could give TD some help in the paint when it comes to reboinding and second chance points but I also like how he and Manu work together on the 2nd unit, too. He does get some nice passes down low which TP doesn't seem to do unless you're TD. If only we could have the best of both worlds.

Now how do we get Pop to give some minutes to either Hairston (if he still is on the team when Finley comes back) and/or Theo? TD played I think around 35 minutes against the Suns and something pretty similar agianst the Warriors. I still like for his minutes to be around 30 or lower. Preferably lower: 26 - 28 with the occasional sitting out the 4th Q due to a blowout. Just thinking down the road when the playoffs come and TD has played more minutes than Pop really wanted him to play.

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Originally Posted by TJastal

I think aside from that bulls game early in the year Duncan hasn't looked all that stressed. He's putting up MVP caliber numbers and making it look easy, really.

His minutes are still under 35 and he doesn't have to work as hard defending the paint since Bonner moved out of the starting lineup.

He's also getting alot of help this year offensively as well.

One thing that MAJORLY concerns me however is what Pop is going to do w/ Finley once he comes back. Pop needs to just bench Fin and let Roger Mason step into the full time backup position behind Bogans. Ppo can ill-afford to have too many guys in the rotation and minutes too spread out. The rotation without Finley right now is just right, 20 mins each to Bogans and Roger.

If Pop throws Finley in and thins out the minutes even more, it will only cause dissension and chaos amongst the players and could ruin any good chemistry the team has developed.

This has the potential to be a huge problem.

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I was thinking about this a few games ago when Mason started playing better. We get defense from Bogans and offense from Mason. Finley needs to sit. His time is done. Of course, I'll be shocked if Pop takes that approach.

We can't even find minutes for Hairston to see if he could help defensively. I see no logical reason to continue playing Finley, but that's been the case for a while.

have leaders like duncan or ginobli called team meetings? at this rate i think one is necesary

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Originally Posted by Chomag

What I find worrisome is that this first part of the season is the most easy part of our schedule this season. Maybe even the easiest in the league. However this only means that the later part of our season is going to be brutal. I really hope losing like this in this part of the season wont come to haunt the Spurs in the end.

Bottom line, Spurs need to find a way to get it all together. Can they? Of course! However you can sugar coat it all you want but as of right now Spurs are playing poorly.

As for TD I completely disagree with the OP. Timmy is playing all out right now because he pretty much has had to to keep this team from sinking.

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Tim looks fresh out there. The Spurs are not playing poorly. TP, McDyess and Jefferson are.

I think the Spurs will eventually get it together and we will be a competitive team come playoffs.

I disagree with the whole "spurs are just coasting" talk. Coasting is what chump, loser, teams do. The spurs need to give the entire season great effort and get clicking right away because, if they don't, the teams that do get going right away will kill them in the playoffs.

We need to get clicking before mid-season and fully refine ourselves after the rodeo road trip. If not we will not have a good playoffs.