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same thoughts...this just may be the break the team needs. Bonner is a great 3 point specialist but mechanical slow rotating defense does not equal championship. I've notice recently that every time he plays around 24 minutes they lose. I JUST HOPE ITS NOT ALL SMALL BALL FROM NOW ON.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
I wouldnt be surprised if pop doesnt give ian, theo, or haislip any minutes.
You think getting Haislip on the court over Bonner is a good thing? Or you just think given the circumstances, getting the guy some burn is the best option?Quote:
Originally Posted by thispego
You must be talking about yourself. Put in haislip and watch the to's mount.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
I think it'll be very interesting to see how Haislip or Ian take advantage of this situation.
I'll never understand this... why the hell do you need a big that shoot 3s? Name how many elite teams one the championship with a 3 point shooting not counting Robert Horry because he was just a freak of nature. You have 3 other players on the floor that can shoot the outside shot. The bigs need to be there to play clean up and defend the paint. Euro (centers and PF shooting 3s) ball has destroyed this but show me how often it has been proven successfully at a high level.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bender
When the playoffs start teams defend the 3. Ever wonder why players like Bonner just disappear? Honestly its not a coincidence.
Timmy can shoot the 3 (even winning the spurs 3pt contest lol) just as well as some of our guards but he knows his roll and leaves it to the guards and small forward.
Pop's never ending quest to find a Horry replacement will never happen because Horry was a one of a kind player.
There are some idiots here, but lately possibly just as many I'm better then you attitude vets that post nothing but to belittle and call names like you would in the 3rd grade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Buddy Holly
Seriously dude, thats all you have posted here. I doubt you will care, or read this because I'm just another one of those that don't have 10k+ posts
Sorry to be calling you out here but you are definitely not the only one.
It is not so much that you need a big to "hit 3's", but you do need a big that can stretch defenses and space the floor. It is about spacing, not about three-pointers. Bonners range just happens to extend that far.
Haislip was not getting time before because he did not deserve it.
But what about at a high playoff level? What team has ever been successful employing this? From what it seems to me a big spreading the floor doesn't make much a difference when teams are playing defense at their top level.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Plenty of teams. Lakers have Pau Gasol who can extend out to 20 feet. Robinson could spread the floor. Rasheed Wallace with Detroit. Garnett with Celtics.
Defense is important, but all of those guys provide spacing on the offensive end as well.
You mean like when Duncan played with DRob, Rasho and Nazr?. What spacing did they provide?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
That's all good. But Gasol can average 20 boards not because he's parking his ass 20 feet out. Garnett is a jump shooter himself and can play excellent defense. Wallace has actually regressed considerably SINCE he started jacking up threes, and most Pistons and Celtics fans can attest to that.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
And? They have all won titles with guys who can space the floor. If they just play good defense, sometimes that is not good enough. Having guys to space the floor makes everything easier.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Gasol cannot average 20 boards :lol. Dice should be able to do the trick. Solid boards, defense and spacing.
Rob was a very solid mid-range shooter over time. If you so happen to have a pairing of Duncan/Robinson, then yeah, offensive spacing might not be so important because the defense is so great.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
But that does not happen all of the time and most of the time you need spacing with defense.
Also, I can give you just as many examples of teams (like I already did) that contradict what you say. Don't act like because Tim won with those guys like that means everyone has.
Are you implying that Bynum spaces the floor for Gasol?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Or that Perkins spaces the floor for Garnett?
Or that Ben Wallace spaced the floor for Rasheed?
What you just wrote makes no sense.
Well, he did grab 78 in the last 4 games. My point is, he won't be grabbing double digit boards by sitting 20 feet out. That just doesn't happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
DRob was the perfect complement because he had a post game also and much like the Lakers today, both players on the front commanded a lot of attention. Insinuating that DRob was supposed to play 20 feet out of the rim so Tim could have room to operate is preposterous.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
What teams? You still haven't. The only other team I can think of is the early 2000 Lakers, who, not surprisingly, had Robert Horry playing the 3 point shooter big.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I am implying that all teams that win titles have a low-post defensive presence and on offense, someone has to space the floor. If you have 2 Perkins on the Celtics instead of KG/Perkins, sure the defense would be just as solid but the offense would suffer without Garnett's spacing. It makes perfect sense and you are just confusing yourself.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
My point is that there is such a thing as defensive rebounding. That has nothing to do with spacing the floor on offense.
I think you are having a language barrier, or comprehension problem. Where did I say that Drob was supposed to play 20 feet out? I said having the ability to do so opens things up on offense and teams need that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Lakers with Pau won and he is a guy that can shoot from 20 feet. The Celtics with KG. The Pistions with Wallace. The Lakers with Horry. All of those teams won titles and they had big men who are capable of spacing the floor because of their abilities to shoot.Quote:
What teams? You still haven't. The only other team I can think of is the early 2000 Lakers, who, not surprisingly, had Robert Horry playing the 3 point shooter big.
These guys exept Sheed also post up, do slashing moves to the basket and defend. Sheed defends. But these guys like Elnono says play along side Perkens, and bynem. Even playing with post up only players like these they don't just dont camp outside to spread the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I understand what you mean. My point still stands: Duncan doesn't need a 3 point shooting big to space the floor for him in order to operate in the paint. Something he has done with plenty of other players that knew what to do and did not involve parking their asses in the 3 point line.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I was speaking of offensive boards. Gasol grabs a lot of offensive boards and doesn't do that by parking his ass 20 feet out.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
That is not the point. It is about having the threat and ability to space the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chomag
Spurs cannot just magically make good defensive big man appear out of no where. If that is the case, the offense has to have spacing in order to offset some defensive deficiencies.
These guys play along side Duncan. He needs space. It would be great to have someone else that can post up and play outside, but that is not the case. The real point is that you need guys that have the ability to space the floor. If Pau and KG could not do that, their teams would be much worse off. That is what makes the Lakers and the Celtics the best, they have those types of players.
He was supposed to play in the key most of the time, as was Rasho.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
No mention of Horry?
I said in my post it is not about 3-point shooting. Dice is not a 3-point shooter. Pau is not a 3-point shooter. KG is not a 3-point shooter. But they all provide spacing with their shooting. They can do other things as well, but they all have the ability to spread out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Spurs have never really grabbed a ton of offensive boards. It is a philosophy they have. They get back on defense. Gasol does crash the boards offensively but it helps when Kobe is drawing tons of coverage and people leave him.Quote:
I was speaking of offensive boards. Gasol grabs a lot of offensive boards and doesn't do that by parking his ass 20 feet out.
What do you mean?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
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Originally Posted by DPG21920
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Originally Posted by DPG21920
Please... Pau lives under the basket. He very rarely will take a 20 foot shot unless he absolutely has to. He's nothing like a player such as Dirk. KG will post up his man also, he just doesn't have a hook shot, and instead will take a turnaround jumper. Wallace did not shoot three pointers when they won it all in Detroit. Under Larry Brown, he was a complete post-up guy. Go look at the 2005 Finals tape and tell me how many threes he took in that series.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
The reality is that while they obviously don't pile on each other, there's a huge difference between sitting your ass at the 3 point line and being within reach of the basket. Measurable difference.
Spacing.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920