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You also cannot weight so heavily the fact that the Spurs were able to win with Nazr/Oberto because that was one of the weaker title teams (talent wise). Just because that happened, does not mean it would not be beneficial for Oberto to have a jumper like a McDyess.
Midrange shooting? Sure.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Malik had a fairly reliable jumper, and he could board very well for his size.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
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Taking more shots outside than inside is not occasional :lol, that is the norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Kobe draws attention like a big man. You are just grasping as semantics and trying to turn a single example (Tim winning with Oberto) into the norm.
Look again...Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Midrange shooting hot zones: 47/92 (.508)
Paint hot zone: 93/158 (.589)
Horry played more than either of those players in their respective finals.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
We won 2 separate titles with Nazr (2005) and Oberto (2007)...Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
You're probably talking about the 2007 team... yet that team played better defense than our current roster
I am just saying he is trying to weight Oberto/Nazr much heavier than he should to suit his argument.
You're trying to turn one example (Tim winning with Horry) into the norm. You still haven't explained how TD was able to operate with the spacing provided by Rasho, Nazr and DRob. All players that played inside the paint.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
:lol What is your definition of midrange?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Mine is pretty much anything inside the three point line since that graph has pretty large zones.
Allright, let's take Nazr and Oberto out, for sake of argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
How about Rasho? How did he space the floor for Duncan?
Like I said a few posts ago, I'm just explaining why I think the whole must have an Euro type big in the NBA to me has been overatted. With the other 3 players on the floor to take care of the outside shot it's realy not that important as some have made it to be. Again this is just how I see it.
When teams playing defence at a high level during the playoffs there are no easy shoots, and these type of bigs are known to disappear.
That's my definition as well, and exactly why I left out the sole 3 pointer he made. We're talking his bread and butter here, in other words, where's he's most effective. Which would be the zones marked with RED in that graph. Come on Chump, do you really need me to explain color-coding to you?Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
No. Tim with Horry, Bynum with Pau, Perkins with KG, Wallace with Wallace. Those are all examples that support spacing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Chump and I have already explained the Duncan with Rasho/Drob/Nazr thing. But your only rebuttal is that KG, even though he shoots more from outside than in the paint, lives in the paint.
They mostly camped out in the key.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
And winning with Horry was the norm since he played the most minutes of any big man outside of Duncan the last two finals wins.
You did? Where is that?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Are you saying that because he shoots a better % by the rim than from outside the paint, that is his bread and butter? Because if so, that is virtually every players bread and butter.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Exactly. Which completely destroys DPG21920's spacing argument.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Don't disagree. Horry was a special player though. I think everybody here agrees with that.Quote:
Originally Posted by ChumpDumper
Give the guy a chance, let him show what he's got If he can defend and rebound, he will definitly help. I don't think anyone expects him or anyone else to take Bonners scoring. That will have to come from others, my worst fear is that we will see more small ball.
Yep thats why I said that the whole Pop's quest to find another Horry replacement will never end because he was one of a kind type of player. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
No, I'm saying that the RED zones are where he is most effective. That is his bread and butter. Which turns out to be way more inside the paint than outside of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Seriously? You're going to throw out 180 shots because they aren't the color you want them to be?Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Whether you like them or not, he took those shots.
No. Chump and I say that despite the fact those players did not space floor, it did not matter because Horry did and he played.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Then, when you take KG, Pau, Wallace into consideration it actually supports the argument.
You are taking one thing and attributing another thing to it when it does not apply.
Everyone is more effective inside the paint for the most part. That does not mean it is their bread and butter. Bread and butter refers to what they go to most often, and in KG's case, that is the outside the paint jump shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono