McDonald: An opening for Haislip

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Exactly. Which completely destroys DPG21920's spacing argument.

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Not at all. That provides more spacing than your idea of playing both big men under the basket.

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Don't disagree. Horry was a special player though. I think everybody here agrees with that.

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Sure, but somehow Bonner usually ends up with the highest +/- on the team.

Why is that?

I ask why can't Tim be the Paul or KG of this team instead of needing one? You are using Paul and KG here as an example of players that make spacing. You may say that Tim needs the floor spread to be able to work near the paint yet these players seem to be able to be able to be both a floor spacer but yet still a low post threat for their team.

Tim Does not need a floor spacer from a big when he can space it himself.

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Originally Posted by Chomag

I ask why can't Tim be the Paul or KG of this team? You are using Paul and KG here as an example of players that make spacing. You may say that Tim needs the floor spread to be able to work near the paint yet these players seem to be able to be able to be both a floor spacer but yet still a low post threat for their team.

Tim Does not need a floor spacer from a big when he can space it himself.

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Then who occupies the inside game where Tim normally does?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Seriously? You're going to throw out 180 shots because they aren't the color you want them to be?

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Do you know why that chart is colored at all? This is not about the amount of shots he took, but where is he effective taking shots.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Whether you like them or not, he took those shots.

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And TD could take 100 20 footers at a 40% rate and that doesn't mean that shot is his bread and butter, merely because he took them.

Don't be disingenuous, I know you're smarter than that.

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Originally Posted by Chomag

I ask why can't Tim be the Paul or KG of this team? You are using Paul and KG here as an example of players that make spacing. You may say that Tim needs the floor spread to be able to work near the paint yet these players seem to be able to be able to be both a floor spacer but yet still a low post threat for their team.

Tim Does not need a floor spacer from a big when he can space it himself.

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If you are spacing the floor, you aren't threatening from the low post.

As I said, I'd be fine if Tim became DRob -- we just need another Tim.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Not at all. That provides more spacing than your idea of playing both big men under the basket.

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None of them played 20 feet outside the rim, which was DPG's theory.
And I didn't posit any idea. I merely mentioned that we played with bigs under the basket and Duncan was just as effective. That's a fact, not arguable.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Sure, but somehow Bonner usually ends up with the highest +/- on the team.
Why is that?

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He plays with good lineups?

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Then who occupies the inside game where Tim normally does?

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All the reason why I think Spurs would be better off and stop with trying to find a 3pt shooting big and try to go with a bruser along side of Tim. Paul and KG as you have mentioned dont need a 3 point shooting big since they are th eones that spread the floor. Tim can o this just as well as these guys. He does not need a big that i a floor spacer since he is one himself.

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Originally Posted by DPG21920

Everyone is more effective inside the paint for the most part. That does not mean it is their bread and butter. Bread and butter refers to what they go to most often, and in KG's case, that is the outside the paint jump shot.

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Bread and butter is what they're most effective at. Talk about lexical problems and moving the goalposts.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

None of them played 20 feet outside the rim, which was DPG's theory.

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They didn't play under the basket either, which was your theory.

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And I didn't posit any idea. I merely mentioned that we played with bigs under the basket and Duncan was just as effective. That's a fact, not arguable.

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Except they were in the key most of the time. That's a fact, not arguable.

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He plays with good lineups?

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What makes them good lineups?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

As I said, I'd be fine if Tim became DRob -- we just need another Tim.

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But then who will win the +/- championship?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

If you are spacing the floor, you aren't threatening from the low post.

As I said, I'd be fine if Tim became DRob -- we just need another Tim.

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Are Paul and KG not a low post threat?

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Originally Posted by Chomag

Are Paul and KG not a low post threat?

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Not when they are spacing the floor.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

But then who will win the +/- championship?

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Who will be the next Tim?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Not when they are spacing the floor.

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Then if they are the bigs that were used to space the floor for their teams how did they manage to also be a threat in the low post?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

They didn't play under the basket either, which was your theory.

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They did. Not all the time, but they did.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Except they were in the key most of the time. That's a fact, not arguable.

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'most of the time' being the key. When they were within 20 feet, Duncan was still effective. Fact. And that's been my point all along.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

What makes them good lineups?

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That the entire lineup has a match up advantage with the opposition at that given point in time.

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Originally Posted by Chomag

Then if they are the bigs that were used to space the floor for their teams how did they manage to also be a threat in the low post?

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They usually play the post while someone else spaces the floor.

Is it that difficult to understand?

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Originally Posted by ElNono

They did. Not all the time, but they did.

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Everyone plays under the basket at some point.

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'most of the time' being the key. When they were within 20 feet, Duncan was still effective. Fact. And that's been my point all along.

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20 feet is not under the basket.

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That the entire lineup has a match up advantage with the opposition at that given point in time.

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Why does it have an advantage?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

They usually play the post while someone else spaces the floor.

Is it that difficult to understand?

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What other bigs were used to spread the floor for the lakers or Boston or even detroit on their championship runs?

I know sheed is now on Boston but that still doesnt prove anything since it still shows how unproven it is at a high level.

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Originally Posted by Chomag

What other bigs were used to spread the floor for the lakers or Boston or even detroit on their championship runs?

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You seriously don't know what other big man spaced the floor for the Lakers?

This conversation is over.

Stupid bigs that space the floor...the Spurs wont win anything trying to use bigs that shoot from the outside.

http://www.b12partners.net/mt/images...g_Shot_Rob.jpg

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Originally Posted by _JaG

Stupid bigs that space the floor...the Spurs wont win anything trying to use bigs that shoot from the outside.

http://www.b12partners.net/mt/images...g_Shot_Rob.jpg

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How many Horry's have their been in the NBA. lol

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Originally Posted by Chomag

How many Horry's have their been in the NBA. lol

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I assume this is a serious question because it's obvious you don't watch the NBA:

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Originally Posted by Chomag

What other bigs were used to spread the floor for the lakers or Boston or even detroit on their championship runs?

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Everyone plays under the basket at some point.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

They didn't play under the basket either, which was your theory.

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Make up your mind...

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

20 feet is not under the basket.

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Exactly...

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

Why does it have an advantage?

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You can't determine what the advantage is from that stat.

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Originally Posted by ChumpDumper

You seriously don't know what other big man spaced the floor for the Lakers?

This conversation is over.

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You mean Odom? Doesnt he usualy plays as the playmaker(pg) for the second unit? I'll admit I havnt watched many lakers games lately but I though Paul usualy plays mostly with Bynum.

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Originally Posted by _JaG

I assume this is a serious question because it's obvious you don't watch the NBA:

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If this is all you are reading then yes I suppose it would look like that. =P