Spurs win in spite of Pop's stupidity

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Originally Posted by EricB

So whats the great need for the shotblocker if their bigs aren't doing anything and their guards were the one making JUMP SHOTS.


Answer the question.

whos Mahinmi gonna guard?

Durant? Green? Harden?

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54 points in the paint, dipshit.

Pop may be getting very close to settling on his rotations that he thinks he can count on for the remainder of the season. Playing time is precious and he'll allocate it to those players he thinks can help win this year.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Spurs have given up on Mahinmi 3 months ago. The game against Nets was just a successful showcase.

What is more telling is that both Haislip and Hairston haven't played. Hairston could have bring some energy and Haislip was signed to play against mobile PF like Green. If it was needed, this game also shows that Pop has also quite given up on them (at least for this year).

Should have Pop gave some minutes to Haislip or Hairston? Maybe. It would have helped energy-wise but it was risky because they could have screwed it up.

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How much more could they have screwed things up when we were getting clocked in the third quarter?

But therein lies the rub. No new players get run in our system unless there's no one at their position to play or they're getting 14 million a year, or they're over 30 years of age.

Pop talked all summer about getting younger, then our young bigs ride the pine while Tim sits and 'Dice is getting run by OKC, Manu has no legs, and Jefferson is playing like Air Gay.

I started this thread mainly focused on Ian's DNP (assuming they are going to keep the guy around) and Theo being MIA, but people have brought good points since about guys like Haislip and Hairston as well.

We all know Hairston can play some ball if given the chance, and Haislip... well you're already sitting TD, your PG has plantar fasciatis and you're running his ass into the ground, Manu has no legs but you run him 35 minutes, come on...

if you're going to coach the game drunk, at least stagger down to the end of the bench and see what you got there.

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Originally Posted by raspsa

Pop may be getting very close to settling on his rotations that he thinks he can count on for the remainder of the season. Playing time is precious and he'll allocate it to those players he thinks can help win this year.

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Fuck that. If he continues to run guys like Parker and Manu into the ground (and even to a lesser extend 'Dice and Jefferson), they're all going to be dead at the end of the season and get rolled in round one of the playoffs.

This shit is just Larry Brown syndrome with a different geezer of a coach.

Manu played how many minutes tonight?

"if you're going to coach the game drunk, at least stagger down to the end of the bench and see what you got there."

:lol

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Originally Posted by Crazymaddopeyo

Hmm I'm going to take the side of the coach that has 4 championships, rather than the players who won them despite him.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

How much more could they have screwed things up when we were getting clocked in the third quarter?

But therein lies the rub. No new players get run in our system unless there's no one at their position to play or they're getting 14 million a year, or they're over 30 years of age.

Pop talked all summer about getting younger, then our young bigs ride the pine while Tim sits and 'Dice is getting run by OKC, Manu has no legs, and Jefferson is playing like Air Gay.

I started this thread mainly focused on Ian's DNP (assuming they are going to keep the guy around) and Theo being MIA, but people have brought good points since about guys like Haislip and Hairston as well.

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Blair is starting right now, and Hill just logged 40 min. You're using excuses that were made for last year.

I would have loved to see Ian out there...it's been nice to watch a guy like him develop and then actually contribute, but this isn't the time to start experimenting. With Duncan out, the Spurs really needed this win. There's a reason a hobbled Tony Parker was out there for 40 min.

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Originally Posted by Aggie Hoopsfan

So Ian would have had a low bar to match statistically in your eyes, and heaven forbid he might have blocked or altered some shots like he did the other night when he got some run.

Fuck man, you would kiss Pop's ass even if he were tea bagging your mom.

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IMO they were doing a good job turning the Thunder into a jump shooting team and he wanted to keep the wing players out there and keep it up.

Just IMO.

Sorry you feel differently.

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Originally Posted by _JaG

Blair is starting right now, and Hill just logged 40 min. You're using excuses that were made for last year.

I would have loved to see Ian out there...it's been nice to watch a guy like him develop and then actually contribute, but this isn't the time to start experimenting. With Duncan out, the Spurs really needed this win. There's a reason a hobbled Tony Parker was out there for 40 min.

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Then Duncan needs to be starting. But if you're going to be resting him, giving major minutes to a seven footer with athletic ability that just put up a good game is a complete no-brainer when compared with shortening the bejeezus out of your rotation on the second night of a back to back.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Then Duncan needs to be starting. But if you're going to be resting him, giving major minutes to a seven footer with athletic ability that just put up a good game is a complete no-brainer when compared with shortening the bejeezus out of your rotation on the second night of a back to back.

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I think honestly were just plane splitting hairs here.

McDyess played a good game, Blair was obviously fantastic, and again IMO the wings were doing a good job of forcing jumpers. The Thunder's rotation was pretty short and they stayed with small ball literally from the start.

Would I have played Mahinmi? Possibly in the second quarter when McDyess was struggling, but those minutes he played may have contributed to his fantastic play in the 4th and OT.

His jumpers in that 4th really helped them stave off the Thunder.

Do the minutes he played in the second help get Dice in the game enough to enable that? I don't know.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Then Duncan needs to be starting. But if you're going to be resting him, giving major minutes to a seven footer with athletic ability that just put up a good game is a complete no-brainer when compared with shortening the bejeezus out of your rotation on the second night of a back to back.

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Duncan needs the rest. Pop already said they plan on sitting Tim more on the second half of B2Bs. They're hoping to have him somewhat fresh in for the playoffs...you already know this. Just because Duncan is out doesn't mean you throw caution to the wind and start putting out all-rookie lineups. The fact that he played Parker so many minutes shows how much he wanted to win this game. This wasn't the Nets.

No one is saying that this 8-man rotation(when Duncan sits) is set in stone, and there's obviously no way to predict Pop's future lineups...but again, i don't think it would be too wise to start experimenting against quality teams like the Thunder.

The guy that should have definately played IMO and was a PRIME PRIME time for him to play was Haislip.

It would've been nice to see how he would've done on a DUrant or Green and see if his shot would've helped or see what he had.

Thats the biggest travesty and fopah of this damn game IMO.

I don't think Haislip has showed enough competence on the defensive end to actually log minutes against quality perimeter players. I really don't feel like he grasps the Spurs system.

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Originally Posted by EricB

The guy that should have definately played IMO and was a PRIME PRIME time for him to play was Haislip.

It would've been nice to see how he would've done on a DUrant or Green and see if his shot would've helped or see what he had.

Thats the biggest travesty and fopah of this damn game IMO.

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his the longest 3 we have atm, but pop doesnt give him the opportunity to play regular minutes to see where his at....scrub minutes or anything less then what blair is gettin just doesnt translate what he can show us......

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Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY

his the longest 3 we have atm, but pop doesnt give him the opportunity to play regular minutes to see where his at....scrub minutes or anything less then what blair is gettin just doesnt translate what he can show us......

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Yeah I agree.

He's shown ENOUGH in garbage time to earn some kind of minutes in back to back games.

But, nothing I can do about so Ill just stick to wringing the couch pillow.

This small ball obsession is eventually going to catch up to this team. I just hope it doesn't cost them their season in the process, but at some point they need a team to absolutely destroy them when they go to small to teach Pop a lesson, because apparently he doesn't get it. Unfortunately, the more they get away with it, the more he'll continue to go to it.

Why did the front office focus so heavily on the front line to the point where they have seven bigs (but only two points) if Pop has no interest in playing more than four of them ever and often times only one at a time?

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Originally Posted by _JaG

Duncan needs the rest.

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No, he really doesn't. Parker needs the rest. Manu probably doesn't need the wear and tear of having to fight that hard in order to win. I'm sure Jefferson didn't like having to play 40 minutes on the second night of a back to back. Not sure anybody liked having to go to overtime because the 8 man rotation clearly ran out of gas.

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Originally Posted by _JaG

Pop already said they plan on sitting Tim more on the second half of B2Bs.

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Yeah, too bad that most of us assumed that when he said they "plan" on it that actually meant that they had a "plan". This is only fractionally better than the "plan" to have Duncan sit out the first quarter and then have to fight back from a double digit deficit.

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Originally Posted by _JaG

They're hoping to have him somewhat fresh in for the playoffs...you already know this.

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Duncan was the only Spur who looked ready for the playoffs last year....you already know this.

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Originally Posted by _JaG

Just because Duncan is out doesn't mean you throw caution to the wind and start putting out all-rookie lineups.

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No, apparently it's far more sensible to shorten your rotation to just the players that played the night before and rely on your only rookie to have a career night in points and rebounds in order to squeak by in overtime.

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Originally Posted by _JaG

The fact that he played Parker so many minutes shows how much he wanted to win this game. This wasn't the Nets.

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Yes, I'm sure everyone in the Spurs organization is thinking about what a master stroke it was to play Parker heavy minutes on the second night of a B2B on a bad foot. Makes a whole lot more sense than to play healthy young guys who are well rested, one or two of whom have shown some ability to contribute.

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Originally Posted by _JaG

No one is saying that this 8-man rotation(when Duncan sits) is set in stone, and there's obviously no way to predict Pop's future lineups...

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Nobody has has a clue about Pop's current lineups. Should be fairly clear by now that there's not really any rhyme or reason to them.

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Originally Posted by _JaG

but again, i don't think it would be too wise to start experimenting against quality teams like the Thunder.

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It looks like the only back to back games they have against losing teams are in March, against Memphis on the 13th and the Nets on the 29th. Are we waiting until then to "experiment"? Not really that much rest to give Timmy, if that's the case.

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Originally Posted by EricB

The guy that should have definately played IMO and was a PRIME PRIME time for him to play was Haislip.

It would've been nice to see how he would've done on a DUrant or Green and see if his shot would've helped or see what he had.

Thats the biggest travesty and fopah of this damn game IMO.

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:bang

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Originally Posted by TD 21

This small ball obsession is eventually going to catch up to this team. I just hope it doesn't cost them their season in the process, but at some point they need a team to absolutely destroy them when they go to small to teach Pop a lesson, because apparently he doesn't get it. Unfortunately, the more they get away with it, the more he'll continue to go to it.

Why did the front office focus so heavily on the front line to the point where they have seven bigs (but only two points) if Pop has no interest in playing more than four of them ever and often times only one at a time?

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Well he's only gonna go small against teams that their main focus is small.

Really tonight playing mahinmi against a Durant or Green is suicide.

Pop will go big, in fact I think he PREFERS to go big and he's proven it.

Lately though alot of the teams they've played the need to go small has been there.

The Dallas game over highlighted it IMO due to just the foul trouble Dice and Blair got into.

IMO Duncan and Ratliff could've played but Ratliff played bad as well in his time in the game.


The problem was the offense in that game went to crap Jefferson was guarding Dirk well in that third, and the other bigs outside of Tim were crap at that point.


I think people are overreacting a tad bit.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

:bang

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What now....




Do you love to argue or what?

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Originally Posted by EricB

What now....




Do you love to argue or what?

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I gave up arguing with you years ago. Anyone who says "Pop will go big, in fact I think he PREFERS to go big and he's proven it." is far too ignorant to waste time on.

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Originally Posted by EricB

So you'd rather Ian Mahinmi play than win the game.


Sorry, I'm strange in that I want to win games. Weird like that.

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if we were in any danger of missing the playoffs by this one game, Duncan would have played. and also we might have still won w/Mahinmi

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

I gave up arguing with you years ago. Anyone who says "Pop will go big, in fact I think he PREFERS to go big and he's proven it." is far too ignorant to waste time on.

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Sorry you feel that way.

Sorry your so grumpy on top of that.

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Originally Posted by vander

if we were in any danger of missing the playoffs by this one game, Duncan would have played. and also we might have still won w/Mahinmi

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Well of course he would have. That still doesn't address why you'd want to lose a game just to see someone play.