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Artest no question. Best defensive player on the list and enough body and athleticism to contain our toughest matchups.
His outside shot is gravy and his mental fortitude would have benefited from a stable environment, no doubt. He peppers in a few rebounds consistently as well.
That would have been my vote anyway...
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Originally Posted by ginobilized
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Originally Posted by ruffnreadyozstyle
If contracts are not involved then
1) SJax
2) Vinsanity
Last) The do nothing RJ and throw Dice in the trash heap as well.
Either Jax or VC would both give us offensive when we go into those looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong ass slumps where we couldn't hit the Gulf of Mexico if we were standing waist deep in it. Neither would be any worse than our current group. In fact Jax can play 'D' when he is prodded into it by a guy like Timmy. He'd fit in immediately and I'd bet anything he'd love to come home to the Spurs!
It is past time for RJ & Dice to take a crap or get out of the outhouse. We let guys like Scola, Bruce and Fab go for them two lazy ass bums!
I'd take Ariza for the MLE and use the expiring contracts we had for a big like Camby or Okafor. (If that was even possible considering the wants and needs of the Clippers and Bobcats)
well, at least people are now acknowledging that vince carter is a terrible basketball player.
i would rather have had maggette than anybody on that list for the spurs systemQuote:
Originally Posted by timvp
VC has looked horrible so far this season. His numbers are all below his previous averages and I thought he looked slow and unmotivated in todays game against the Lakers.
Gerald Wallace looks really good right now, but I doubt Larry Brown will ship him. Bobcats are looking like a playoff contender.
knowing what everyone knows now, that ginobili can't score, jefferson can't score, parker would be injured so can't score, spurs would need someone to add 20 points a night to help out duncan. enter stephen jackson, who right now is better than jefferson in both offense and defense.
from the rest of the list though, jefferson is still second best. carter sucks now and the other options take up the MLE the spurs used to sign mcdyess. mcdyess may seem listless right now but anyone who knows him understands that he plays with all heart. just not for the first half of the season.
shouldve pulled the trigger 1 month ago, now it looks like jax has settle in his new home, doubt the cats going to trade him to us....what can we offer them that they want excluding duncan....Quote:
Originally Posted by 024
I want a young/healthy Ginobili.
Jackson can only score 20 pts per game while taking close to 20 shot per game, do you really want to see S-Jax taking shots away from Tim, Tony, Manu, Blair, etc.? RJ could score 20 pts per game while taking the amount of shots that Stephen takes, in fact he would probably score a lot more.Quote:
Originally Posted by 024
Jackson=overrated by some Spurs fans
we all know jax is a volume shooter, but he makes shots when they count...Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
hence if he was back on the spurs, he be asked to do what he did in 03, and that is pick and pop from the extra pass to the open man, he wont be pulling a NVE dribbling down the court with 20secs left on the clock and throwing up a jumper....
Therefore he won't be making 20 pts per game.Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
well he will never be asked to score 20ppg on the spurs system, cause he wont be able toQuote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
I think Ariza is the best fit because of his youth and defense. He can hit the three and can create his own shot. He is basically has everything that richard jefferson has, but younger and can defend. Maybe he can't post up like jefferson, but I will take that trade off.. we have a couple of players who can post up I'd say.
That's my point, I was responding to 024Quote:
Originally Posted by TDMVPDPOY
My choice is for Ariza at mle but only if we could have paired him with a very good big via trade (expiring contracts). The names of Kaman, Camby, Biedrins, Murphy comes to my mind...but I think no one of them was really available.
Otherwise, Jackson and RJ.
Actually, with Hill in the starting line up paired with Parker (like in our last game) the Jefferson's choice could be considered the best one with the thought of a starting five completed with a pair of bigs that can rebound and run the court (al la Duncan - Mahinmi).
That would make us an up-tempo team, with two guards able to lead a very good running game.
But our choice as always been for a more controlled game...so the Stephen Jackson choice, if available, would have made a lot of sense...
It is amazing to me how many Stephen Jackson worshipers there are on this board. SJax the savior! SJax the hero! His playoff stats are even WORSE than his regular season numbers. He is NOT an elite player and his contract is way too expensive.
.394 FG, .328 3PT, 15.1 PPG, 4.0 RPG, and 2.9 APG in 36 MPG. Most importantly, he has an ORtg of 97 and a DRtg of 104 with a usage rate of 22.3%. He's getting the ball almost 1/4 of the time while having more turnovers than assists.
Much like Allen Iverson, people are impressed by the flash of SJax when the substance just isn't there. This is surprising from a group that watches Duncan dominate night in and night out without trying to make any highlight reels.
Carter is coming to the end of the line now, on the decline .Quote:
Originally Posted by itzsoweezee
Carter > Manu
Carter has had a better nba career, better stats more all star appearances, unfortunately he did not play with Duncan or else he has the rings and Manu has nothing.
Acumulating better stats and all star appearences on crappy teams is having a better NBA career than winning three championships while beign a very important piece of that team's success?Quote:
Originally Posted by rascal
What makes Carter a better player than Ginobili? the fact that he can jump higher? Or that he takes a lot of shots or that he doesn't even try on defense? Maybe his low BB IQ? please tell me.
I think Ginobili is slightly better than Vince but at his peak, Vince Carter was one of the best players in the league. When he was with Toronto, he was a 25/5/4 player shooting .450 from the field and almost .400 from 3PT. His career was derailed by back injuries and an apparent lack of work ethic. He has a career TS% of .536 which is almost as good as Kobe's .557. I think Manu was a top 3 SG in the league from 2005-2007 behind only Kobe and DWade and at his peak, Vince was a top 3 SF while playing for Toronto.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
meaningless stats on a 1 man team, just ask KG whats it like to statpadQuote:
Originally Posted by androck
the comparison is between jefferson and jackson. i never called jackson the greatest swingman the spurs could have acquired. i also said jefferson was the second best option from that list.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
jefferson is scoring but pretty much disappears for long stretches at a time and i can't remember the last time he took over a game. he's pretty passive on the offensive end. it's not necessarily his fault since he was brought in to be a role player. but now parker can't score 20+ a game due to injury, ginobili probably will never return as an elite scorer, and blair can score without plays called for him. offensive droughts are still prevalent and jefferson + ginobili are not helping. in the playoffs, the spurs won't want to depend on role players for scoring since they may or may not handle the pressure well. they need 3 players to score 20+ a game consistently to contend.
offense isn't really the biggest problem, the biggest problem with jefferson is his mentality and defense. soft on defense and soft on offense. jackson is kind of inconsistent defensively but plays competitively and aggressively when motivated. can't really remember a game when i can say the same about jefferson. jackson is also an underrated playmaker. in 08-09, despite scoring 20 points a game, he still finds the time to rack up 6.5 assists. also, the salary difference is quite large. jackson is just a better all around player who gets paid less.