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At the beginning I think it would. But regardless of that Manu makes a lot of money for the Spurs, players make a lot of money for their clubs, there's a reason why they earn what they earn, Team's owners aren't stupid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Who could they get?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
The Lakers traded a smaller expiring contract and got Pao Gasol.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
no wayQuote:
Trade Manu now and see the Spurs ticket sales drop considerably, and that is just one example
even if you were right you cant let ticket sales affect basketball operations
Answer the question.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
I did.
Why not? a lot of GM/owners do that.Quote:
Originally Posted by mookie2001
And look what it did for Memphis and Detroit when they did that.
No, you didn't. We can't get Gasol. Who could the Spurs get now to improve this team?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
That's a clear indication of how much a large expiring contract is worth in the the NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
If the Spurs really wanted to play the game of "Screw the rules, I have money", they could take on Brand's contract and take in Iguodala. Otherwise, no chance.Quote:
Originally Posted by DAF86
So with that in mind, who do you think the Spurs could get now to improve their chance of winning?Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
The revisionist history (or complete lack of memory) by TD21, Ducks, Mookie, and other people on here amazes me, these people who say Manu hasn't done anything to help the Spurs in three years.
Really, you all forget things that quickly?
In 2008 Manu was BY FAR the best player on the team in the regular season, and Tim, Tony and Pop have all said so. Not only that, but he played well in the first round series against the Suns (even had the game winner in double OT in Game 1 as well as assists on both the tying three pointers in regulation and first OT) and played very well in round 2 against the Hornets.
He led the Spurs with 21 ppg and 6 apg in that series, which are better numbers than ANY playoff series he's ever had.
He had a poor series against the Lakers though (by then he was playing on one leg) and because that was the last thing that happened, that's the only thing the haters remember. The entire regular season and first two rounds of the playoffs were completely irrelevant I guess.
I guess these reactions shouldn't be too surprising. To hear Duck tell it, Manu has been stealing money since 2006. Ducks swears he hasn't had a good playoff series since the '05 Finals...
Iguodala is one. Now go answer my points about how Manu didn't take less out of the goodness of his heart, that he was a complete bust last season, that he's been a bust this season, and that he's not worth allstar money when he breaks down to end every season.
It's not being a hater and it's not grasping at random straws (as you are trying to frame it) when his body has given out two years in a row and doesn't look like it's there this one either.Quote:
Originally Posted by roycrikside
Iggy for Manu? I'd hit that.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
im just not using a season (where we lost to the LAKERS, manu played like shit and sasha vujajaajchic ruined him ugly style)as my reason to give him a lifetime contract
thanks for helping us years ago. basketball is a young mans game and manu sure as hell isnt bigger than the franchise- fact.
Even if Manu is slightly overpaid for his current production, he was underpaid for a long while. So it doesn't matter much.
That said, it wouldn't have been smart for the Spurs to extend him last summer. They need to see if his body can take it before they commit any more money to him. I expect him to be re-signed easily though, unless his demands are outrageous (which I doubt).
I'd still be shocked to not see New York offer him a large 3-year deal or Toronto not try to save face by signing him when Bosh walks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
What you don't seem to get is that nobody is saying that the FO should resign Manu right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by mookie2001
I couldn't disagree more strongly. We are a small market that cannot discount inefficient contracts or pass them off because of past services. I love Manu but this is not Habitat for Humanity we are talking about here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
ok then so are yall are saying is that manu had a good season in 2008?
awesome point
Manu had a GREAT season in 2008. That was the best year of his career, IMO, and he was arguably the best player on the team (though Duncan was still probably superior).Quote:
Originally Posted by mookie2001
I'm more concerned with the fact that Manu doesn't look like he has enough left in the tank to be a cornerstone-level player over the rest of this season and the 2-3 after it. If Manu was showing any kind of ability to consistently get to the basket like he did in 06-07 and early 07-08, then no way in hell I'd trade him. I don't believe him when he says his body is great though. I think it's posturing, as the proof on the floor just is not there. He's settling for so many bad threes that it's hard to believe he's capable of the kind of penetration that once made him such a devastating offensive threat.Quote:
Originally Posted by FuzzyLumpkins
Iguodala could only be a chance if you take Brand's contract and seeing how you think that Manu is overpaid I doubt that you would like to see Elton on the team. Besdies I don't know how much AI could improve this team, sure he is young and athletic, but he isn't a better playmaker than Manu and doesn't have a reliable jumper, which is something that the Spurs wings must have by design.Quote:
Originally Posted by baseline bum
And about those other things, I only argue about things I don't agree with, I agree that he didn't play at the level he's supossed to play last year nor this one so why would I disput that? and about the money thing I think I made my point.