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A walk on part on the war or a lead role in a cage?
Lead role in the war.
haha, pink floyd
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Many thanks for the translation. Earlier someone mentioned controversial comments he made in a previous interview. Anyone know what that was all about?
Great win against N.O.!!!
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DAF86
How good do you think you are playing as a team and how much do you have to improve to be at a 100%?
We need to improve a lot on defense and offense, I'd say we're at a 72.86%
Why is Pop sometimes not playing you at the important moments of games? Even if you are not playing well I think you should always be there at the end of game because of your decision making and intangibles.
That happened in a delicate part of the season and is a thing of the past...or at least that's what I hope!
How do you like to end the season 1, 2, 3 or is it the same as long as you get to the playoffs?
What a question...1, always 1.
Is this the worst version of the Spurs you got to see?Every year we have rough stretches. This year we started badly and a tough schedule is awaiting us. We'll see how we develop, but yes, we're not playing well, that's for sure.
Did Pop change the defensive scheme?
No. It has always been the same.
How do you feel physically?A lot better. I have no complains, I just hope I can stay like this all season.
Are your sons going to make a difference by the time of deciding your continuity on the Spurs?
No, it doesn't change a thing. When the time comes I'll decide with my women what is best for the family and my career.
How many chances do you see of winning this year? what about adding T-Mac? And are you ready for the world cup in Turkey?
We have chances, we aren't the main contenders but we're among the 5 or 6 teams with championship aspirations. I don't think there are a lot of posibilities of adding T-Mac, but you never know. And no, I'm not ready. There's a long way to go.
How have you been feeling lately, do you think you are at least at an 80%?
I feel great, I'm just missing shots but sooner or later things will come back to normal.
In case you don't resign with the Spurs...Is there a team or player in particular you would like to play with?I'd like to play with my NT partners. But truth to be told I don't think that is an aspect I will consider when the time comes. There are a lot of things to consider.
When you get into the game do you usually do it at your normal position or do you have to play some SF or PG for some minutes?
In our system SG and SF are the same thing. I almost never play PG, but I have no problem doing it.
Are you going to be able to play the world cup?
It's going to be a lot more complicated than other times. Anyway, I'll decide when the time comes and I'm sure about my future.
Is the financial crisis affecting the team's sales?
Yeah, it shows a little but luckily we have great fans that love and respect us very much so the difference isn't very big. I don't know the exact numbers.
How do you feel on the team? It seems like you have more of a playmaker role now.
This year I'm passing the ball more and trying to get teammates involve 'cause I think that's what this team needs and 'cause I my shot isn't falling but the time will come of shooting more and pass a little less. (a more precise translation: "I'm saving myself for the playoffs to start attacking the rim more often")
Is the team improving?
That's what we're working on, we are trying to improve day by day but we have a long way to go.
Have there been any rumours about trades?
Nobody has heard anything. You guys always know more than us.
How worried are you about signing with the Spurs? Have they talk to you about the subject?
I kinda put my mind out of it now. At the moment it affected me a little bit, but it is what it is, I will be a free agent and that's it, I have been through that already, no problem.
Don't you think is a little bit ungrateful of their part that they haven't resign you yet after all you gave to the franchise?
This is a bussiness and there's a lot of money involved. Nobody gives away anything, not the franchises nor the players.
Who do you think are the top 3 PG of the league?
Tough question. I will give you 4: Parker-Williams-Nash-Paul, in no particular order. (lie: he put them in an ascending way ;) )
A walk on part on the war or a lead role in a cage?
Lead role in the war.
What play in a basketball court do you like the most?
Transition, that's the most fun for everybody. On the half court I feel comfortable playing the pick and roll.
How are you physically?
100%
Those are some, man this long. I'll try to translate more later.
Thx Uru ! I appreciate the time you took for doing that.
BTW I hate u you destroyed my fantasy team :)
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WTF ? you talk about him like he's a newbie on the spurs or a scrubs. Manu has the right to talk, like TP and Tim, and he really doesn't use this right very often, like his two teamates. He didn't say anything special.
anyway, i should have stopped reading you after you called him "this guy".
I did no such thing. What the fuck are you talking about? He doesn't use this right often? He's far more outspoken than either Duncan or Parker. He has no problem consistently ripping the team, but I've never heard him put a game on his shoulders (like Duncan has done many a time and many of those times it clearly wasn't his fault) and say "this one is on me". Constant excuses, constant not so veiled messages/threats to the organization, but limited and consistently inconsistent production.
What's wrong with calling him "this guy"? I don't know these guys personally, they're not my buddies, so there's no reason to be calling them by their first name.
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He's far more outspoken than either Duncan or Parker. He has no problem consistently ripping the team, but I've never heard him put a game on his shoulders (like Duncan has done many a time and many of those times it clearly wasn't his fault) and say "this one is on me". Constant excuses, constant not so veiled messages/threats to the organization, but limited and consistently inconsistent production.
example?
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carina_gino20
example?
Here we go again. You can rip Parker, the guy who plays a lot more minutes and has shouldered a bigger load (not in big games/moments, but through the grind of the NBA season) over the years, but say a word about Ginobili and the vast majority are up in arms. I've never understood this.
Just listen to his post-game and post-practice comments. Not that he can single-handedly cure what ails the team, but for a guy who has no problem listing off a litany of problems, how about producing more?
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Ginobili fan. When he's physically right and on his game, I don't think there's a more spontaneous or exciting player in the league. I just find he get's far more leeway from Spurs fans, not only than Parker, but than he deserves.
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Here we go again. You can rip Parker, the guy who plays a lot more minutes and has shouldered a bigger load (not in big games/moments, but through the grind of the NBA season) over the years, but say a word about Ginobili and the vast majority are up in arms. I've never understood this.
Just listen to his post-game and post-practice comments. Not that he can single-handedly cure what ails the team, but for a guy who has no problem listing off a litany of problems, how about producing more?
Don't get me wrong, I'm a huge Ginobili fan. When he's physically right and on his game, I don't think there's a more spontaneous or exciting player in the league. I just find he get's far more leeway from Spurs fans, not only than Parker, but than he deserves.
This would have more substance if I were the kind of fan who would constantly rip Tony. Unless you're directing it to others in the thread. I know Manu is under performing and I don't mind people calling him out for that. What I wanted to know is when these things you mentioned happened. Especially when you put the word 'constant' there, it sounds dubious.
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He has no problem consistently ripping the team, but I've never heard him put a game on his shoulders (like Duncan has done many a time and many of those times it clearly wasn't his fault) and say "this one is on me". Constant excuses, constant not so veiled messages/threats to the organization, but limited and consistently inconsistent production.
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This would have more substance if I were the kind of fan who would constantly rip Tony. Unless you're directing it to others in the thread. I know Manu is under performing and I don't mind people calling him out for that. What I wanted to know is when these things you mentioned happened. Especially when you put the word 'constant' there, it sounds dubious.
I was directing it to no one specifically, it was just a general comment. I've just told you when they happen and you can now add his Spanish (unless his words are being lost in translation?) interviews to that.
His honesty is refreshing, but at the same time if you're going to make the comments he makes, then you at least better be a consistent contributor. He's constantly up and down and relative to his considerable ability is having a season that borders on terrible.
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TD 21
I was directing it to no one specifically, it was just a general comment. I've just told you when they happen and you can now add his Spanish (unless his words are being lost in translation?) interviews to that.
His honesty is refreshing, but at the same time if you're going to make the comments he makes, then you at least better be a consistent contributor. He's constantly up and down and relative to his considerable ability is having a season that borders on terrible.
I think you're just adding YOUR personal interpretations and judgments that by no means can be duplicated... It's unique... yours only... thanks for sharing your thoughts :tu
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urunobili
I think you're just adding YOUR personal interpretations and judgments that by no means can be duplicated... It's unique... yours only... thanks for sharing your thoughts :tu
No offense to any of you, but I'd think more of your responses if none of you didn't have obvious, inherent biases on the subject. It's either an Argentinean Ginobili fan, a Hispanic/Spanish Ginobili fan of some sort, or a fan that has a thing for Ginobili.
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No offense to any of you, but I'd think more of your responses if none of you didn't have obvious, inherent biases on the subject. It's either an Argentinean Ginobili fan, a Hispanic/Spanish Ginobili fan of some sort, or a fan that has a thing for Ginobili.
and what's wrong with that? another unique judgment wherever is it from? last time I checked he stills plays for the Spurs and this is a Spurs board... :wakeup
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and what's wrong with that? another unique judgment where it is from? last time I checked he stills plays for the Spurs and this is a Spurs board... :wakeup
It's real simple, you see, you're too far in the trees to see the forest. Don't attempt to paint me as a "Ginobili hater", I've already given him myriad compliments. But just because I'm a fan of his and a fan of the team, it doesn't mean I agree with everything he says or does.
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It's real simple, you see, you're too far in the trees to see the forest. Don't attempt to paint me as a "Ginobili hater", I've already given him myriad compliments. But just because I'm a fan of his and a fan of the team, it doesn't mean I agree with everything he says or does.
and from what I have posted before what proof do you have to asses such statement without it being obviously just your individual point of view? :rolleyes
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and from what I have posted before what proof do you have to asses such statement without it being obviously just your individual point of view? :rolleyes
I love when people say that. Of course it's my individual point of view, who else would it be? It's a message board. Should I write before every comment I make "this is just my individual point of view"? No. It goes without saying.
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I love when people say that. Of course it's my individual point of view, who else would it be? It's a message board. Should I write before every comment I make "this is just my individual point of view"? No. It goes without saying.
that's what it's all about mate! :toast
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so when manu says the team is underperforming and needs to improve, he's ripping his teammates? throughout the q&a (on his forum, not even to the media) he says that he is struggling, and he never singles anyone else out. what should he say, "even though ownership overspent to upgrade the team and we are in (4th?) place, everyone is playing great except me"? is that really your view of this season? you make it sound like manu took all the credit when the spurs were winning comfortably. he's just stating the obvious, that this team needs to improve to live up to expectation and that he has to contribute better scoring.
there are three questions (im not sure if all were translated) taking shots at other players on the team, and manu dismissed one entirely and defended his teammates while minimizing himself (blair on one, jefferson tim and tony on another)
I dont see manu fans questioning whether or not he's had a bad season, and accept that you dont like how he handles himself publicly (talks too much or too honest?), but to state that he rips his teammates is ridiculous, just as its ridiculous to say that he gets more leeway than the rest of the big 3. tony gets a lot of hate too but, in the last two years at least, manu's got tony beat on trade threads. the only trade duncan threads are from spurs fans that like him so much they think he deserves better than SA. manu will never top duncan's status to this team, and for the past couple seasons tony clearly passed manu (like you said, he plays more and has been shouldering a heavier load while manu's role has diminished)
what's funny is that both tony and pop are also critical of the team in interviews (as a team), and that if anyone should be out of leeway, its our big acquisitions, jefferson, mcdyess (who are being outplayed by keith bogans and dejuan blair, FYI)
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so when manu says the team is underperforming and needs to improve, he's ripping his teammates? throughout the q&a (on his forum, not even to the media) he says that he is struggling, and he never singles anyone else out. what should he say, "even though ownership overspent to upgrade the team and we are in (4th?) place, everyone is playing great except me"? is that really your view of this season? you make it sound like manu took all the credit when the spurs were winning comfortably. he's just stating the obvious, that this team needs to improve to live up to expectation and that he has to contribute better scoring.
there are three questions (im not sure if all were translated) taking shots at other players on the team, and manu dismissed one entirely and defended his teammates while minimizing himself (blair on one, jefferson tim and tony on another)
I dont see manu fans questioning whether or not he's had a bad season, and accept that you dont like how he handles himself publicly (talks too much or too honest?), but to state that he rips his teammates is ridiculous, just as its ridiculous to say that he gets more leeway than the rest of the big 3. tony gets a lot of hate too but, in the last two years at least, manu's got tony beat on trade threads. the only trade duncan threads are from spurs fans that like him so much they think he deserves better than SA. manu will never top duncan's status to this team, and for the past couple seasons tony clearly passed manu (like you said, he plays more and has been shouldering a heavier load while manu's role has diminished)
what's funny is that both tony and pop are also critical of the team in interviews (as a team), and that if anyone should be out of leeway, its our big acquisitions, jefferson, mcdyess (who are being outplayed by keith bogans and dejuan blair, FYI)
I didn't mean individually singling players out, I meant he's collectively ripping the team. And he is. Like I said, I have no problem with that, so long as the player in question is a consistent performer. He isn't. So before he goes speaking in broad terms about the teams struggles for the umpteenth time, how about he starts playing good consistently first? That's all I'm saying.
He definitely get's more leeway than Parker and probably more than Duncan. Though in the case of Duncan, I'm not sure what one could possibly have to gripe about. But yeah, Parker struggles and it's "he's soft" or "he's not playing hard", Ginobili struggles and it's "he needs more time" or "but look at that pass he made!". Even with plantar faciitis, logging relatively heavy minutes recently, Parker is still pushing through, gutting it out and saying "I can't look at myself in the mirror and say I can't play". He's a lot tougher and more committed than he's given credit for and you can be sure if Ginobili made those comments, we'd be hearing "what a warrior he is" or "he's the most competitive player on the team".
Do you even follow the team? People have (rightly, don't get me wrong) relentlessly ripped Jefferson and McDyess all season. Parker's been ripped, Duncan has one off game and it's "he's old", but Ginobili can play like shit on a fairly consistent basis and I don't see him getting anywhere near the same treatment. Face it, he's the golden boy.
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I didn't mean individually singling players out, I meant he's collectively ripping the team. And he is. Like I said, I have no problem with that, so long as the player in question is a consistent performer. He isn't. So before he goes speaking in broad terms about the teams struggles for the umpteenth time, how about he starts playing good consistently first? That's all I'm saying.
He definitely get's more leeway than Parker and probably more than Duncan. Though in the case of Duncan, I'm not sure what one could possibly have to gripe about. But yeah, Parker struggles and it's "he's soft" or "he's not playing hard", Ginobili struggles and it's "he needs more time" or "but look at that pass he made!". Even with plantar faciitis, logging relatively heavy minutes recently, Parker is still pushing through, gutting it out and saying "I can't look at myself in the mirror and say I can't play". He's a lot tougher and more committed than he's given credit for and you can be sure if Ginobili made those comments, we'd be hearing "what a warrior he is" or "he's the most competitive player on the team".
Do you even follow the team? People have (rightly, don't get me wrong) relentlessly ripped Jefferson and McDyess all season. Parker's been ripped, Duncan has one off game and it's "he's old", but Ginobili can play like shit on a fairly consistent basis and I don't see him getting anywhere near the same treatment. Face it, he's the golden boy.
:lol You must be following a different board than I am because Manu has had his fair share (and even more) of criticisms on this board these past few years. There are always going to be diehard Manu fans who won't acknowledge his mistakes as there will be Tony fans who won't acknowledge Tony's mistakes. But I think for the most part even the loyal Manu fans in this board have had no problem calling him out these past years and are even open to trading him if there's a right piece out there.
And I still don't know when Manu collectively ripped this team. What would your definition of ripping be? If George Hill says that the team is playing bad, that the defense is not what it has been, would you call that ripping?
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TD 21, you are more or less ripping the comun sense.
urunobili told you: and from what I have posted before what proof do you have to asses such statement without it being obviously just your individual point of view?
And you answered:
I love when people say that. Of course it's my individual point of view, who else would it be? It's a message board. Should I write before every comment I make "this is just my individual point of view"? No. It goes without saying.
Avoiding the subject! And the proofs?!
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carina_gino20
:lol You must be following a different board than I am because Manu has had his fair share (and even more) of criticisms on this board these past few years. There are always going to be diehard Manu fans who won't acknowledge his mistakes as there will be Tony fans who won't acknowledge Tony's mistakes. But I think for the most part even the loyal Manu fans in this board have had no problem calling him out these past years and are even open to trading him if there's a right piece out there.
And I still don't know when Manu collectively ripped this team. What would your definition of ripping be? If George Hill says that the team is playing bad, that the defense is not what it has been, would you call that ripping?
I'm not saying you're wrong, but from what I've read, that hasn't been the case.
Constantly and I've already answered twice "when" he ripped the team. My definition would be his constantly harping on the defense, lack of consistency, etc. For the umpteenth time, I have no problem with that in theory, but at some point shouldn't the player in question be playing well before expounding on the teams issues?
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TD 21, you are more or less ripping the comun sense.
urunobili told you: and from what I have posted before what proof do you have to asses such statement without it being obviously just your individual point of view?
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I love when people say that. Of course it's my individual point of view, who else would it be? It's a message board. Should I write before every comment I make "this is just my individual point of view"? No. It goes without saying.
Avoiding the subject! And the proofs?!
'Comun'? 'Proofs'? For future reference, it's common and proof. The word proof is akin to the word beaver. For example, it doesn't matter if you're talking about 50 beaver, it's still beaver, as opposed to beavers.
I didn't avoid anything, genius. I said...
Just listen to his post-game and post-practice comments.
I've just told you when they happen and you can now add his Spanish (unless his words are being lost in translation?) interviews to that.
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Well I can understand the Spurs being cautious and not wanting to resign him at this time but I also wouldn't be mad at Manu if he did what he felt was best for him even if that meant leaving the Spurs. Like he said this is a business and each will do what's best for them.
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I'm not saying you're wrong, but from what I've read, that hasn't been the case.
Fair enough. You and I have probably read different threads.
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Constantly and I've already answered twice "when" he ripped the team. My definition would be his constantly harping on the defense, lack of consistency, etc. For the umpteenth time, I have no problem with that in theory, but at some point shouldn't the player in question be playing well before expounding on the teams issues?
Okay. I get that, although I still don't think 'ripping' is the word for it. In fairness to Manu though, what do you expect him to say if he always gets these kinds of questions from fans or reporters? Avoid them? Pretend that nothing is lacking with the team?
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carina_gino20
Fair enough. You and I have probably read different threads.
Okay. I get that, although I still don't think 'ripping' is the word for it. In fairness to Manu though, what do you expect him to say if he always gets these kinds of questions from fans or reporters? Avoid them? Pretend that nothing is lacking with the team?
Indeed.
Good point. You're right, 'ripping' probably isn't the word for it. Critical is probably a more accurate depiction.
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Thx Uru ! I appreciate the time you took for doing that.
BTW I hate u you destroyed my fantasy team :)
Hey WTF? :wtf
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haha, pink floyd
That was my personal touch, the real question was: "Tail of lion or head of mouse"?
But I don't know if that phrase is used in the States so I plagiarised Floyd. :lol
