RIP ratliff getting any minutes.
RIP mahinmi ever getting to see the floor again.
RIP haislip ever seeing the floor (dont mind this one personally)
RIP tough defense.
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RIP ratliff getting any minutes.
RIP mahinmi ever getting to see the floor again.
RIP haislip ever seeing the floor (dont mind this one personally)
RIP tough defense.
pops easing him back in the rotation, he only had 6 minutes
Even though you don't say it well, I agree with others that he is no longer needed. Don't get me wrong, he certainly helps this team more than he hurts it, but at this point what he brings is a luxury. Other players (that are not currently on the Spurs roster) could strengthen the squad in other areas that need it.
very well saidQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
bonner is valuable for offense - he's basically a SG, but since he's 7ft he creates mismatches. problem is he gets put in at C and gets rolled over on defense.
I agree, we dont need him....Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
I love having Bonner in the lineup, and I don't think he affects the defense at all since Ratliff and Ian weren't getting serious minutes anyways..I would love if the Spurs traded Bonner-Finley and whoever else to acquire a legit big, but when he's in the lineup, he's useful coming off the bench IMO..
Bonner could have definitely helped with the spacing in some of the losses, there's no doubt about that..
i would not say hes 'valuable on offense', lets be honest here the ONE thing he can do is spot up 3's. he is basically a tall Steve Kerr, nothing more. and hes a consistent liability on the defensive end.
Bonner's role should be 5-10 minutes a game, out there when we run plays needing a 3pointer and spot situations like that.
thats it.
What does that change?..
Having him out there for 10 minutes a game and when we need 3-point shooting IS valuable to the offense..that's the role I like him in too and he clearly helps when we need that..
The guy shoots a ridiculous 45% for a big man shooting 3s..that can always help..
I was not saying the Spurs don't need him, I was saying it would be smarter to fill other needs. But I would not just dump him for nothing.
More like an SF on offense and defensively, he's a PF by default, because he lacks the size and/or strength to guard C's and the quickness to guard SF's. He's not 7'0'' (I've never understood why people do this with basketball players, just round up from 6'10'' to 7'0'' like it's nothing. You don't ever hear people say if someone is 5'10'' "he's a 6'0'' footer").Quote:
Originally Posted by greyforest
Barefoot Bonner is 6'8'' 1/2, so I'll give him somewhere in the 6'9'' range (could be a quarter, a half, who knows exactly) in shoes, but more important than his not so overwhelming vertical listing for a PF is his lack of length. For example, Ratliff is probably less than an inch taller than Bonner barefoot, but he's clearly got a much longer wingspan, so it gives the impression or feels like he's actually closer to 7'0''. That and the fact that he plays like a traditional big man, at least defensively.
No matter how useful he is in some games during this season-I don't want to see him more than 10mpg in the playoffs. Lets not all forget how fucking awful he was against the little ponys last playoffs. Until he proves he can do anything worthwhile in a game that matters he's still on my shit list and matt BoNer.
Spurs are 1-0 in 2010 when Bonner plays. Just sayin'.
As soon as he came in and missed the shot and did not defend, Pop pulled him and brought in Blair back! I don't understand we lost our 15 point lead and you bring in Bonner who does nothing instead of playing Ratliff, Mahimini, or Hairslip which the Spurs were playing well while he was injuried so why mess up the chemistry and throwing Bonner in there! WTF!
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Originally Posted by poop
Agreed!
lol Spur fan trashing Bonner when he hasn't played in a month.
I agree with Harlem here...Bonner is useful off the bench but if a good deal for a solid role player comes up he should be moved.
ive been saying the same exact thing about him since like 2008.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
Well if you were saying he has sucked this year you would be wrong.Quote:
Originally Posted by poop
I completely agree with you. If there's one thing you can count on when the game matters, Boner will play horribly.Quote:
Originally Posted by holcs50
Yeah, he'll always be on my choke list until he proves his worth in the playoffs. I could give a shit less about the regular season and giving the guys props for kicking ass during a game against a sub .500 team.:rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by holcs50
Yeah, he can spread the D and can get some 3's in, but he is a soft marshmallow and mincemeat to the real competition. He is what he is. As long as he is helping the Spurs and not hindering their D, I'm okay, but when the other team starts abusing him with shot after shot, it's painful to watch.
The first 3 are non-factors and the last doesn't exist sans Bonner either. We aren't winning anything with a broken Tony and Manu regardless of the minutes that Bonner gets. This is pretty obvious seeing as how we got stomped in several games with Fin and Bonner out of action (and in action too).Quote:
Originally Posted by poop
Spursfan needs to stop making scapegoats and just realize that our starting 5 is worse than our bench. Until that is resolved, we get nowhere.
hes been playing well this season. for bonner. thing is, weve seen bonner at his very best...and its not bad. but i think the team needs what ratliff and mahinmi bring (interior defensive presence, shotblocking, finishing ability, rebounding) alot more than what bonner brings (spot up 3 point shooting)...we know what bonner brings and hes not going to get better or improve..but we have no idea what mahinmi's potential is. hes played in ONE game for like 15 minutes the entire year. his skillset is for more important and more needed by this team right now than what teh bonner brings.Quote:
Originally Posted by benefactor
+1. Making scapegoats out of role players is a lame thing to do.Quote:
Originally Posted by sabar
He's back and yet I don't know what hoagie to eat for lunch tomorrow
As soon as Bonner was in the game West scored two easy baskets.
I hate when people do this as well. There is a huge difference between 6'9" and 7'0". Bonner was listed at 6'9" when he played PF/SF for the raptors. Now he's listed at 6'10".........strange.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
Exactly. No, Bonner was also listed at 6'10'' when he played for the Raptors and he never played SF. 10 years ago, a guy like Bonner would have played both forward positions and maybe actually have played more SF than PF. But the game has changed in recent years, to the point where plenty of players who broke in as SF's now play almost strictly PF and the same for plenty of players who broke in as PF's now playing almost strictly C.Quote:
Originally Posted by 007nites
The guy is cheap and he does add to our bench I am more upset at Jefferson who is getting payed four times more then Bonner and giving us nothing to date.
As far as Jefferson he is reminding me of Dallas getting Williams and him doing nothing. The Spurs oragnization was Stupid to get a guy who does not fit our style of ball. Also, it kills me to hear Pop saying "Son we didn't bring you over for your offense we brought you over for you defense" What stupid MO FO is going to pay 15 million for a SF to only play defense????
Bonner's ability to shoot the three is outmatched by his inability to guard solid centers.
I'd rather have Mason in at SF or SG to be the guy to shoot the three than a guy does the same except can't post up or defend.
Bonner haters are funny.
That is all.
Amen.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
The Bonner injury should've been a blessing in disguise - at least for Pop. If nothing more, it should've made him realize that he doesn't need to lean on Bonner as much as he likes. Nor does he necessarily need him on the court for big minutes to space the floor. The perimeter players (Mason, Bogans, Hill) are doing a good job of that already. Blair has been a godsend and has already improved upon and surpassed any defensive level Bonner ever had.
NOTE TO POP:
No more sacred cows. Time to move on past Bonner. Finley too.
I'm not a Bonner fan by any stretch of the imagination, but Mahinmi and Haislip aren't NBA-level players and Ratliff is really only a garbage time player who might provide a few decent minutes against teams with really big frontlines like LA or Boston. I'm not endorsing Bonner, but among those 4, he's the best scrub.