LOL, not encouraging at all though, just another loss at home to this Utah team........... They were outplayed yes, again at home to this non playoff team as of now.Quote:
Originally Posted by admiralsnackbar
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LOL, not encouraging at all though, just another loss at home to this Utah team........... They were outplayed yes, again at home to this non playoff team as of now.Quote:
Originally Posted by admiralsnackbar
I agree with others. It is time to END the Bogans experiment. The guy has never been anything but a journeyman who hustles on the defensive end, but doesn't have the rep or the respect from the refs...he gets whistled all the time. A real liability in my opinion.
:bang
something tells me we're gonna be drafting in the early twenties, unless we gave it away in the jefferson deal.......
dice has been a huge disappointment imo. he is lost on defense all the time. watching last night from the rafters was disgusting especially when bogans and dice were on the court.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=ykk4rg6
lol Get it done RC.
I say lets trade Bogans, RJ, Bonner, and Fin for Lebron, and someone else. I ran it through the trade machine and it works perfectly.
I don't think it's personnel at all. We've had flashes of brilliance throughout the year and seen what this team can be. The problem is a lack of consistent effort from the chain of command on down. Pop doesn't instill that fire in his players the way he used to and it shows on the court. The guys look tired and bored most of the time and I can't figure it out. For the first time in many years I'm telling myself, "these guys just aren't that fun to watch." You would think with all of the talent they have they'd be absolutely jacked to play every time they step on the floor.
We don't necessarily need a trade, but I'd be all for one happening if (at the very least) it will light a fire under their asses or beef up our interior defense. The Rodeo Road Trip is upon us and I hope the Spurs form some sort of identity by the time it's over.
I would trade parker and a pick or bonner/finley for chris paul in a second. Paul has great hands and plays D. Parker can't. Paul has an outside shot. Parker doesn't. Paul gets his team involved. Parker doesn't. I say this would be the difference.
Hornets aren't trading their franchise player for a fringe all-star like TP.Quote:
Originally Posted by JR3
Hard to trade RJ
Nobody wants that contract and he was exposed as a mediocre player this yr
I wouldn't mind the Spurs making a 2-for-1 trade to upgrade the bench. Maybe an interior defender to help Timmy out.
But come on. The Spurs have spent 41 games trying to integrate new parts, with mixed results. Presumably the team will get comfortable together as the season progresses, which will help on both ends of the floor. Why disrupt that?
Any trade discussions involving TD, TP, Manu, Hill, Blair, or RJ are complete crap. Unless you're already giving up on this season.
Spurs have seen Sean and Jonhson and Elie.
They have seen Malik, and SJAx and Willis.
They have seen Horry and Barry and even Vaughn.
Now tell me that Richard Jefferson will ever ever win anything in his entire life.
spurs need a leader and enforcer on defense. bowen did that in the past years and duncan has other problems to worry about. it's amazing how much of an impact bowen had on the spurs. i didn't know it extended this wide and far. spurs have solid individual defenders but can't glue it together. only player i can think of right that would even be close to bowens' impact is shane battier. rockets kind of remind me of the spurs of the past. they barely have any offense (ariza is on of their primary options) and no all star to handle the offense yet find a way to stay above .500. i attribute that to their defense.
I was really hoping that my initial feelings about Richard Jefferson were wrong. When I heard about the trade I was very underwhelmed. RJ has never been a difference maker. He put up nice numbers with a great pg and then later with Milwaukee that needed him to be a scorer.
What made the FO think that this guy was going to help us ? His defense sucks and he doesn't drive the ball to the hoop nearly enough.
On top if it all, his salary is a friggin joke. A joke that I'm sure Holt's not laughing about.
I'm not optimistic that RJ will ever fit. I hope I'm wrong. What a waste.
A trade does need to be made. Its our interior defense that is killing us. Wing-defenders cant get up on there opponents anymore, cause we have NO ONE guarding the rim. So they have to play it safe and give there guys a few feet. It has to be 2 big guys guarding the rim all the Time for our defense to be succesfull. One big guy helps while the other secures the rebound from the weakside. We dont neccesarily need a shotblocker (note 2007 Oberto was starting Center) but we do need someone who has a high defensive IQ and can either take charges and best case scenario block shots. With that said; we need a guy who will be in the paint and at least disrupt things. If we can win with Oberto as the starting Center then their are alot of options open on the trading block instead of just Camby and Haywood although they would be the best options thus far. A Center 6-10 or taller would be nice wouldnt ya say?
RJ, like Bonner, is useless when he isn't scoring. He's a one-dimensional player that padded his stats on bad teams. You'd think Timmy would have remembered how crap RJ was from his experiences on the 2004 Olympic team. Should have given the FO a heads up.Quote:
Originally Posted by tmtcsc
RJ's defense is the biggest culprit.
He disappearing on offense is one thing. It's not like a Spurs wing player was scoring big in the past other than Manu anyway.
But his defense is so soft, so lazy, so gutless . . . that he might be worse than Finley, which shocks me. Finley couldn't move, but if you went at him he put up a fight. RJ actually gets out of the way. He is so soft 'fighting' around screens that he can't be kept on the court.
Jefferson is the same player he has been for 2 years before this..
I was excited about the trade when it happened, but I said my basis was that I was hoping RJ would get back to the good defender he was before he was made into a primary scorer in NJ..anybody that watched him KNOWS he was a poor defender in his last year in NJ and last year in Milwaukee..obviously my hope of seeing him return to his good defense days hasn't happened and obviously won't happen..
He ISN'T a different player than before though..he's the same guy he has been for 2 years..I consider McDyess to be a disappointment based on HIS play, but he was a logical acquisition..
The RJ acquisition's failure is solely on the FO, there isn't really a legit argument against that..
I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by 024
I also attribute that to Luis Scola.
So Jefferson fired you as his agent, I see.Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37