Time for a move. No time to waste. The franchise has shown that they are loyal to the ring, so we need to make a move. Anyone outside of TD is on the block, IMHO.
So what say you?
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Time for a move. No time to waste. The franchise has shown that they are loyal to the ring, so we need to make a move. Anyone outside of TD is on the block, IMHO.
So what say you?
I fucking agree.
phil jackson for pop
Keep Duncan, Hill, Manu, Blair, and Mason.
Trade everybody else.
I agree, but damn, everybody was so high we made a high-profile offseason move and this is all we get? It's been a good run but it's safe to say that it's over
I'd say either trade Parker for a pass first PG or make a deal involving Mason, Bonner, Finley, Dice for a big man / PG
that are our 2 needs: pass first PG and Big man that can score/play defense
id trade tony or manu if it made us better
We'll be already better if we waive Jefferson and Dice
if it was possible id trade Jefferson yesterday
Jefferson needs to go and Dice too
I... dunno.. can't think... I'm stunned... :depressed
RJ+bogans for Butler
another thing is that coming out of halftime we have been flat almost every game
Me too:(Quote:
Originally Posted by urunobili
Jefferson + Cash for a conditional future 2nd rounder.
Jefferson wasn't even close to the reason we lost tonight..shit, the guy has sucked this year, but he was far from the reason we lost to an average Rockets team..
The offense has sucked in general tonight, but allowing the 16th ranked offense in the NBA to shoot 55% is beyond disgusting..
Parker and Jefferson make $26 mill.
Surely there's a ton of players we can get for either or both.
We just need to shake things up for the sake of it.
Dice for Gasol.
Only in dreamland.
Manu is our most valuable chip until the trade deadline.
I haven't seen Dyess make one cut for an open layup this entire season or take a load off of Tim, so he's officially expendable.
Maybe we could combine one of these with the usual Finley/Bonner crew.
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Originally Posted by phila_chamberlain
Trading Manu = not even a playoff team in the west. Him and TD are the only ones I feel sorry for in losses, the rest of the team just isn't a reflection the the dollar signs on the floor at the end of the game. I was thinking of our pay scale vs the rockets pay scale and couldn't help but be disgusted at the waste of money on OUR side of the floor.Quote:
Originally Posted by slick'81
Someone was joking around once and said Everyone except the Big 3 for the Houston Rockets. It's not sounding like such a bad idea, except these days I'd prolly give them TP too. :(
manu is the only movable piece currently. his contract is expiring and he will bring a veteran presence to a young team. i really don't know what trade would make the spurs better though. i do agree that only td should be safe from trade. pathetic effort all around.
Trading Manu = not even a playoff team?Quote:
Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell
1st, Hypothetically if we traded Manu we'd get someone back in return that was better, otherwise why would we make the trade? IE Andre Iguldala.
2nd, with manu we're probably not a playoff team. If we do make the playoffs it's another 1st round exit.
Manu is not who we once knew.
TP....damn. A TP at full strength would mean at least +4 in wins, IMO.
As for the rest, well, this is why championships aren't won on paper.
Trade Tony or fire Pop.
Our basketball suck.And that's not Jefferson or Dice's fault.
We only play team basketball when Manu is the PG.
And please TD in the POST!!! If he is one of the best players of the league in the post,maybe the best,it's FUCKING stupid he has to play pick & roll most of the plays.
How many times do you see Shaq or Howard in the top of the key?? If Parker cant score without a screen he will have to shoot less but Duncan has to be where he is one of the best,not like he was only a big wall.
Guys WTF calm down its only January! lmao haha where are all you "its only <insert month here> naggers? But yea I agree Dice, Bonner, Finley and Parker need to go. Ginobili, Duncan, Jefferson, Hill, Blair, Mason need to stay. Once Parker is gone, Jefferson will break out knowing he is not a 4th option. He looks lost because he is not involved in the offense. Ginobili was frustrated as theres no one on the team matching his dedication and effort. Jamison would be nice to bring in.
So whos gonna win it all this year?
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say Cleveland.
I was definitely part of the It's Only December crew. But we're closer to February than December now, and the same mistakes and tendencies are there.
Trade fucking Manu....... he plays only first halves and his body is weaker than RJ balls.
Keep Tim, Blair, Hill. Trade whoever else.
Make a run at Bosh
RJ has no balls. Manu does.Quote:
Originally Posted by it's me
securing additional 1st-round picks is the way to go
Los Angeles.Quote:
Originally Posted by phxspurfan
I would take ANYBODY for Jeffersson!!!!!
This just can't be worse... (financialy and on the court)
Manu is the only player on our team who can make plays for everyone! Are you fuckn kidding me! You release him you allow parker to Brick our way out of the playoffs. Idiot! If anyone needs to be traded is ball hog parker
Normally I'd say we still have time to gel, but the team hasn't shown any improvement since last month, so not feeling too optimistic now.
However, if we shake up the team even more before the deadline, I still don't think we have a shot at winning it this year - we already had trouble incorporating the new guys from the offseason, so it'd be worse trying to get the chemistry right midway through the season.
Right now, the team is stuck. We are not playing well enough to be contenders - we are merely just a decent team in the middle of the pack come playoff time. The trick is how are we going to try to rebuild? Do we blow it all up now and see what we can get and hope for a better season next year? Tough situation.
I'll be all too glad to eat my words if they do start playing better, but i dont see that happening anytime soon...
No way cleveland wins it. Lebron doesnt have the will yet (if ever).Quote:
Originally Posted by phxspurfan
God, please dont let shaq get his 5th before Tim. I would rather Kobe get it first
we need to blame pop for once instead of wanting trading our guys
maybe it's time to fire pop
It would be smart from the FO to try to get some first round picks, we can't gamble for ever on 2nd round pick...
Untouchables:
Tim - still got it.
Hill and Blair - future of the team
Maybe:
Manu - if he plays at a decent level all season, then resign him.
TP - if his body continues to regress, then he needs to go.
Malik and Ian - Only if the Spurs can't get a better player in return or if their potential is wasted.
Mason - if there are no better options out there then keep him.
Bonner - if he returns to the player he was before he was hurt, then keep him. he's good for spot minutes.
Don't resign
Bogans - He's not a long term Spur.
Ratliff - too old
Finley - same as Theo.
GTFO
Dick and Dice - offseason busts.
What a fickle fan base the Spurs have.
^As sad as it is, it's true. The scoring droughts for such a potent offensive team are the most direct implication of faulty coaching.
The Spurs have 100% underachieved this season.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
What does that have to do with the fan base being fickle? Nothing is done with 100% certainty. All you can ask for from the team you root for is that they try and win.Quote:
Originally Posted by z0sa
They have done that. They made moves that made sense and that they thought could give them the best shot to win. They spent money and put out a team that could compete.
So far it has not worked out, but that does not mean fans should bitch and moan like a bunch of spoiled brats. Sometimes things don't work out, but you take it like a man and move forward. There is nothing wrong with wanting improvements, but there is something wrong with crying like little malcontents and whining over moves that everyone would have made. Especially when those moves were made with the best of intentions.
Fickle fan base.
I always thought the same thing when I'd see the meltdown threads, but after the recent back 2 back losses against obviously inferior teams (on paper at least) I couldn't help but start wondering if there really is a problem and I'm just in denial.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
But yea, Manu is the only movable piece that never gives up, and the only reason why I haven't shit on the Spurs during the games. Trading him is no promise that we can turn it around...and if he's gone and we're still struggling, we don't have Manu's grit and heart to fall back on to at least give us (or maybe just me?) hope.
I wouldn't mind trimming the fat from the roster and getting a defensive big to anchor us. If nothing else, the Wizards gotta be talking to the Spurs at this point for SOMETHING...give them TP, cuz once Timmy is gone he doesn't wanna "baby sit" on a non-contender. Send his ass to the Wizards before he leaves on his own so he can see how good he had it in SA.
You expect the fanbase to be "constant and loyal in their affections" (definition of fickle) when their team is, by some's count, vastly underachieving?Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
lol at the oxymorons on this thread not willing to trade away parker, gino or whoever else not name td, blair, ghill
stop fkn living in the past with the 4rings..
since our last ring, pop and co hasnt delivered and found a way to beat smallball,
fck this loyalty bs you clowns in here always bring up....
There is absolutely no denying the team has a problem. That does not change the fact the fans are fickle.
Fickle does not accurately describe our reaction.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
:lol what a jokeQuote:
Originally Posted by ace3g
Read the whole post. Yes, I do expect that because the FO tried to win. It does not always happen. What do you want them to do? What else can they do besides what they have done until this point? You expect them to just be able to constantly trade for players that can win them a title every 3 months?Quote:
Originally Posted by z0sa
where are all he homers now that were calling us rearded when we were saying his all season?
You know those years Phil Jackson has taken off from coaching have helped him re-energize. I really don't think he is much better than Pop. Pop could be burnt out. Pop might just need a break from it all. He doesn't seem like the same Pop aggression wise.Quote:
Originally Posted by fotan2
Same with the Bulls and Jordan. I really don't think they win 8 straight if Jordan didn't take a break from basketball.
It describes it perfectly. All of the F this team and F this player shows that.Quote:
Originally Posted by z0sa
Here's your problem: you act like the Spurs have nothing to do with the Spurs' problems.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
If you want to name names, do it. Don't label a whole fanbase.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Point is, it is not right to do what Spurs fans do given the circumstances. The asked the FO to make moves to try and win, and they did that. That should be enough to keep fans from completely shitting on them.
Now give them time to rectify the situation.
I would give you JJ Barea for a plate of enchiladas from a good SA restaurant.
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Originally Posted by z0sa
Where did I say that and what does that have to do with anything? One question: Did the FO make moves where a reasonable person could conclude they were trying to win?
Don't play semantics. Do I obviously mean every single fan? No, but the majority of people on here are fickle.Quote:
Originally Posted by z0sa
Why would you rather Kobe win it?Quote:
Originally Posted by gospursgojas
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w...r/applause.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
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Originally Posted by DPG21920
This is the first time I realise this is over!
Not only because of tonight game, but there are SO MANY reasons that you have to be blind to think there will some kind a miracle that, not only would make the team plays well (that still could happen), but also give two of our stars a "fresh body" (:lol sorry, I lack of voccab)!!!
You can't deny that we are going nowhere without a great Tony and a great Manu... both of them are far from being healthy, and I don't see any reasons they would feel better playing more (tough) games through the season...
I love the geniuses in here who want to deal parker. The guy puts up 22 pts and 10 dimes in a loss, so what the Spurs really need is a pass-first point guard??
It's not the piss poor interior defense, it's the lack of a pass-first point guard. Now i get it.
Chris Paul for Tony Parker.....
I agree that we shouldn't "shit on them." But I'm honestly not seeing any of our normal (ie 'decent') posters melting down more than usual.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
It's not because most are fickle (though spoiled would be slightly more accurate) - It's just discouraging to lose like we are losing.
Giving up double digit leads, not stopping teams we surely can in any kind of consistent manner, and going through confusing scoring droughts despite the most gifted offensive Spurs team ever.
Fickle was the December lameness. Now, we're a few games away from the RRT and a brutal ending stretch of schedule, with no marked and consistent improvement, especially on D, since training camp IMO.
I said trade Jefferson for Jackson two months ago or if not Jefferson trade expirings for Jackson.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
How long do the Spurs want before they get it?
Wow I can't believe how pathetic some Spurs fans can be.... Trade Manu? All of you were ready to blow him after the OKC win and now he needs to go? Yes, the Spurs have problems and are not looking up to championship level but atleast have some sense in the ideas thrown out there. Parker needs to be sat until he is healthy no doubt about that. Mason while brings a scoring punch at times needs to be packaged in a trade with Ian. Bowen is old and would not help in any way and people need to let go. The problem is in the paint and the Spurs need a big to help in that area.
I wish i could slap you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursox
I agree that it is incredibly disheartening, but if you keep things in perspective, no matter how bad the outcome, I applaud what the Spurs did. Am I happy it is not working out? Absolutely not. But I understood that it was a possibility and even though I am surprised at how bad it is right now, I still think the Spurs took the right steps.
I will question things, but I won't be a spoiled fan that whines to the point where it is embarrassing.
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Originally Posted by _JaG
Thank you!
Yeah, I'm real "fickle.". I've been with this team since '75 you little douche. When you were cheering for the Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, and Rockets I was with this team that was always going to relocate. Fuck you you fucking poser. Don't tell me I'm not a real fan. You don't know what it's like to me the fan of a team that doesn't have a legit title shot. I do.
Now bring me some coffee.
Fickle isn't the word for it, another F word is...(no, not that F-word, get your mind out of the gutter), I'm talking about frustration. Frustration because Spurs fans have been treated to and spoiled to an unparalleled run of consistency and success in the Duncan era and because of the fact that it looked like, on paper, this team had more talent than any other Spurs team in said era. So when people see them looking like arguably the worst team of the era, they (rightfully so) become frustrated. The truth is most fans (not all) are inherently fickle. And when I say "most fans", I mean across sports.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
Only someone self conscious would think I was referring to them when I was not. Just so happens I posted it in this thread because some of the other posts.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
LOL at defending your fandom while putting in random throw away lines like "when you were cheering for the Lakers....".
Oh yeah, get your own fucking coffee girl.
I applaud the FO for doing the best they can to make this team win a title this year. Dick and Dice have underachieved greatly this year which is why some fans are taking it too far by saying the FO sucks. That still doesnt excuse the lazy play of the team this year which is why im disappointed in them. They play like they give up on the season so thats why i feel that way.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
That is perfectly understandable.Quote:
Originally Posted by timtonymanu
Don't post your weak ass bandwagoner shit in this thread and expect roses and daisies.
Oh yeah, especially funny coming from the guy who says "I hate Spurs fans".Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
:cry Someone said something not even directed at me and now that I realize I look like an idiot, I have to keep going because my ego won't let me stop.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
Can't trade the coach... This is NOT the Spurs system that won this team championships.
I completely think we have enough talent. They're simply not being held accountable on the defensive end, and the coach keeps on sending out weak lineups after weak lineups.
We know what it takes to win a championship. It's not a porous defense.
Wow, I didn't realize there was FO hate going on at all...definitely not their fault. That's why I'm sure that they are trying to figure out a way to find some glue for this team...great pieces but there is nothing hold it together, thus the inconsistency that will get us routed in the first round.
This team needs a personnel change ASAP. Options 2-4 aren't going to cut it offensively. The D is pedestrian. The window is closing.
It is still salvageable. This team has the ability, but can they turn that into something tangible? Not sure, but a trade for someone that can play inside defensively would go a long way.
I answer with another question, a more pressing and debatable question: is the coaching and FO realizing what any reasonable fan is? That the Spurs are still facing the same problems, and the same decline, they did last season and are trying to avert.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
And the definition of fickle doesn't coincide with pointing out the fact Spurs haven't taken care of business this season.
Yes, I hate Spurs fans like you.Quote:
Originally Posted by DPG21920
How many posts does your ego have? Is there something wrong with what I said? If so, point it out and quit crying like a little sissy girl.Quote:
Originally Posted by Marcus Bryant
+1Quote:
Originally Posted by _JaG
It's truely pathetic how little some know here.
Drop the rotation to 8. Duncan, Blair, McD, Manu, Hill, Jefferson, Bogans, Bonner
Rest Parker until the playoffs. The team goes no where unless he is 100% anyway.
Run the offense through Duncan. Post him until the opposition doubles then kick for the three or the drive. It alomost feels like Duncan fealt obligated to defer to Parker a year or two ago and Parker was the first option and they never reverted back to Duncan.
Duncan again becomes the first option, Manu the distributor and playmaker, Jefferson the number two being set up by Manu, Hill the pass first point, defensive specialist.
Can coaches be traded for players? I believe so.
Surely there are some delusional front offices who think like many a ST poster and site runners do, that being that Popped is among if not the best coach in the game.
Well, how about Popped for Bosh?
i did the like the rotations tonight hill starting with blair with manu/mcdyess and bonner off the pine but in the end it was the same result when it comes to 4th quarter basketball this team doesnt have what it takes to finish