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If they keep struggling the way they do, why is it worth it going into the playoffs at a low seed knowing that more than likely they'll get bounced right out of the first round. Why not get a lottery pick and use it to get some young talent or use it in a trade package to get someone good? Don't get me wrong, I'm a spurs fan and always will be but I just don't see them turning the corner like in past years. I think they're run is pretty much done and should start looking to rebuild now.
I totally agree bro.
So who's going to be the new head coach?
no doubt in my mind Spurs will be much much better next years with a lottery draft pick or not.
Tony will have a full summer rest and Hill/Blair will be play better. RJ and Dice can't play worse, the only question mark is Manu....
Yeah, might as well just pack in Tim Duncan's healthiest year in a while, and just count on him to put up the same numbers next year.
Nope. This is do-or-die mode for the Spurs since Duncan is in his later years, front office made some big trades and spending a lot of $$$, and we've got guys like Manu to evaluate since his contract ends this season. Without knowing how our team operates in the playoffs it only adds more questions and its easier to build off of a playoffs team than a complete rebuild. Hell, the reason for tanking a season would be to rebuild and the Spurs already did that somewhat since nearly half the roster is new.
As a Spurs fan the best regular season gauge has yet to come, the Rodeo Road Trip.
Timmy will get his numbers regardless... especially if teams try to double team Tony and/or Blair... yeap I think Blair will demand double team next year.... hehehehe....
i love this team, but if we have 20 losses before mid feb. i'll be rooting for them to lose. in the long run it will be better unless the front office totally blows the pick.
Yep might as well just pack in Blair's breakout year and expect his knees to hold up next year too.Quote:
Originally Posted by jason1301
Awful thread...
They wouldn't land anybody in the draft that would help them much next year anyway. Gotta pull out all the stops now while Timmy is still here. Once this core group is gone and Timmy is retired then you try to build a good core and wait for the next probable superstar in the making to cone up and tank hard to get him. In the NBA you have to tank for those since only teams with the top 3 to 4 superstars in the game have a shot at the title. Go back 15 to 20 yrs and the '04 Pistons are about the only team that won a title without a top 4 superstar.
lol spurs "fans" at their finest
Fans of other teams are ecstatic at the idea of "maybe" making the playoffs
but a lot of Spurs "fans" would rather see them lose if they dont cruise easily into the postseason?
You aren't fans. Get off the bandwagon.
Why would you want that? Damnn. This is getting more crazy everyday with all the panic
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Originally Posted by davi78239
Are you all actually Spurs fans or are you Dallas fans? If you are Spurs fans, then this type of talk is ridiculous and crazy. How can you call yourself fans? :nopeQuote:
Originally Posted by yomama21
NO, NO, NO! Wow, I'm just speechless.
Yes! If "Defensive Stops" will join the draft. He's the one we need!!
Go Spurs Go
How about the head coach starts taking some justified criticism for underachieving? I'm not really directing this at you, but the "who should we replace him with" response is arguing a strawman considering the reality: I don't think level headed and knowledgable spurfan want to replace him at all and know he is one of the best ever. We still must hold questionable decisions in account.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
I agree. The 4 ring idiots act like Pop invented basketball. There are numerous coaches who could do a better job of coaching this team when set against Pop using small ball. My preference is with Pop. The logical Pop. I wonder if this Pop is starting to be like Woody Hayes. Great coach in his day, but he just lost his mind in the end.Quote:
Originally Posted by z0sa
Damn.
The ridiculous part to me is that some of you actually believe everything you wrote.
Just quit watching. Have a true fan watch and tell you when the Spurs are looking like they have a chance and then tune in. It'll save you a lot of time figuring out how you'd change the team, coach, plays, ect. and thus win a championship. That way you won't have to watch the idiots playing and running the team that are mentally inferior to yourself ruining the season.
Cant believe you call yourself a fanQuote:
Originally Posted by davi78239
No.
hell no. lottery is for losers. no duncan led team is going to miss the playoffs.
Man, we are spoiled fans. Do you realize that? I think you should imagine how other fanbases feel, and they feel it every season, they have felt it every season and they haven't even been at the top.
Besides, we still are. It isn't over. Dont be so panic
And yes of course you can criticize, and yes of course it isnt very well right now, yes we are doing shitty. But come on, this is crazy.
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I hate championship or bust Spurs fan. Even if the team isn't really capable of winning a title, I still love seeing playoff Tim Duncan. What you're proposing is an enormous slap in the face to Tim.
A lot of people here just really overrate draft picks..
Why on Earth would a REAL Spurs fan want them to miss the playoffs? Wow.
what would be the point of tanking for the lotto?
Any 1st round pick they have this summer could very well be dumped by the deadline anyway, either to salary-flush Ian Mahinmi or to get some over-the-hill finished injury prone big man like Brad Miller, Jeff Foster or Marcus Camby.
Bring Chris Paul into the team, Parker and splitter rights for CP3. after Duncan is gone, there is something called rebuilding.
Lottery pick, around 13th, Would do nothing to change this team....
Where is Red Foreman to call this guy a dumbass?
Maybe some you are okay with 2nd place, 3rd, 4th ,5th ,etc. but for a team that is measured by championships (Lakers, Celtics, Bulls, Rockets) the Spurs losing in the first round is as bad as not making the playoffs. We've been lucky in the lottery before. It could happen again. I understand the tone of the message from the creator of this thread. There is only one winner that is remembered. Everyone else is a loser.
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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
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Originally Posted by Mal
The experts are calling this a 2 or 3 player draft. Everyone else is a project, probably long term.Quote:
Originally Posted by dbestpro
The Spurs have gotten lucky in the lottery, but never THAT lucky. If they just miss the playoffs, their lottery odds are for shit to get one of those top 2-3 picks. When we landed our two #1 overalls and the #3 overall for Sean, we were TRULY a SHIT team and were in the top 5 or 6 for ping pong ball odds. That ain't EVER going to happen with Tim on your team. It's actually impossible to rebuild on the fly with a player like Tim Duncan. He's just too good to get deep enough into the lottery to matter. You REALLY need to suck for 3-4 years in a row to mine some young talent, and maybe catch lightning in a bottle with a huge talent.
Okay, geniuses. Even if the Spurs were to lose out for the rest of the season (an act of collusion the league would never stand for, considering this team's talent), then the Spurs would STILL be middle of the pack as far as worst record is concerned. Teams like the Nets, Timberwolves, and Clippers would STILL end up getting more ping-pong balls and better picks than us. So even if there WAS another Tim waiting in this draft, the Spurs wouldn't get him.
But let me get this straight, brain trust. You want to sacrifice one of Timmy's three remaining seasons on the off-chance that we may get a lottery pick so that we might be able to draft an impact player.
Regardless of the fact that this team spent millions in the offseason to win now, not later.
Regardless of the fact that they Spurs still pulled one of the biggest impact players from the last draft with the 37th pick.
And regardless of the fact that no team is ever guaranteed to win the title. Every year, every team just gets a chance at the ring, and some team's chances may be better than others. But the Spurs still have their chance, and I guarantee you they are going to take a shot at it, even if they are fighting long odds.
Hang this idea up in the Spurs locker room, and imagine what the players would think about it. :rolleyes
No, I'm not rooting for that...jackass. Why is it worth going into the playoffs even as a low seed? Because once you get into the playoffs, ANYTHING is possible. Ask the #8 seed New York Knicks who made it all the way to the Finals in 99'. And because this team still has Tim motherfucking Duncan. And as bad as they have been this year, I will never count out this Spurs team with the core of TD, TP, Manu, and Pop. You gotta believe...you gotta believe. :flag:Quote:
Originally Posted by davi78239
Where do these idiots come from?
What people don't seem to get is that it could be 5-10-20 years before the Spurs are in a position to compete for the title again. Given that scenario, it's much better to err on the side of hanging on a little too long rather than rebuilding too soon.
Trust me, there will be plenty of time to rebuild. And it probably will not lead to any more championships.
If NBA teams that were lower seeds ever advanced to the championship then maybe you would be on to something. But this never happens. Being a lower seed is the ultimate act in futility. No where to go and no way to get better.
I concur with ElNono completely. I don't think I am a bigger fan than you who think the season is a lost cause. It just goes against the ethics and integrity of the Spurs to not go down unless they're swinging. These guys are champions and whether they win another ring or not it's not going to change that. Do I believe they have a great shot at winning it all this year? Maybe not, with the horrible D they are playing, and perhaps more importantly, TP's plantar fasciitis.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
However I will never root for my team to lose
Dumb asses, like the one who made this thread, are turning the spurs forum into the NBA forum. Keep all the trash threads in one for all the bandwagoners.
This is the biggest kick in the face, punch in the mouth, bag over the head thread I read today. NO the spurs would not benefit from a draft pick. Their is always that possibility of catching lightning in a bottle, but the difference whether they end up with the 12th to 13th pick, or a 17th to 20th is minimal. The Spurs went all out this summer, going over the luxury tax threshold to put themselves in position to win another championship in the Duncan era. The Spurs aren't going to piss it all away just so they can slide up a few notches in the draft lottery. The spurs still believe their a contender, and as long as the spurs are within sniffing distance, their going to push forward.
Besides, this is not a particularly strong lottery. Any player that the Spurs choose will probably have to be groomed and won't be a huge factor next year.
Oh, I get now. The guy that started this thread was just trying to rile everybody up to bring out our team spirit. Either that or they should try to grow a pair.
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Originally Posted by dbestpro
Me!
The thing people seem to not realize is that none of the other teams in the West have been overwhelming so far, including the Lakers..they've all been inconsistent and they all have holes(obviously LA is still the favorite though)..
The Spurs have been huge underachievers, but if we acquire a legit piece(a big man), there isn't really a reason to believe we can't make the WCF..will we win the title? probably not, but at least if we make the playoffs there's always THE HOPE that Parker/Manu/Jefferson can play like we expect them to and the guys catch fire like Orlando did last year..it's unlikely, but there's a chance on some Lloyd Christmas shit..
Tanking to get a lottery pick that more than likely won't be an impact player doesn't really help the Spurs..some people seem to think that "rebuilding" is easy and you just have to tank to do it..I guess this is because the Spurs lucked out with Duncan, but that really is the exception, and not what should be expected..
Good to see you admit it. :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by tlongII
What. The. Hell. NO, any fan that roots for his team to lose is beyond ludicrous!
Uh, no.Quote:
Originally Posted by davi78239
We are only half way through the season and this team could still come together and make waves, even though that seems unlikely right now. We looked about this horrible back in January 2007 and we all know how that ended.
Also, as I see it there's no point in half measures - either we expend all resources towards winning, or we expend all resources towards rebuilding, and since Tim has 2 years left after this it is winning time.
Your kidding right?Quote:
Originally Posted by davi78239
Just look at the Jets this year, they were pretty much out but got hot at the right time
Nooooo! The spurs , i believe can still turn things around.
Uh the Jets play football and they won the same championship that the Lions won this year.Quote:
Originally Posted by ajballer4
I root for the Spurs to win every game. Period!!!!
this is the most ridiculous fvcking thread i've seen in a whileQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
lock this shit.. let's seriously "raise the bar"
LOL, yeah getting a pick will help them out when Tim and so on are a year older, yeah thats the plan!!!! GET REAL they are going to make it and they need to turn it around soon. Missing the playoffs with this roster would just be pathetic, a JOKE.
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Originally Posted by baseline bum
timmeh is gonna beast. we are gonna have a treat!
Yeah, really defeatist. Spurs are working hard no doubt to find something that works and some fans are ready to throw the Spurs under the yeam bus.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
too early for this guys... real spurs fans doesn't give up easily
If we don't make a move by the trade deadline and are hovering around the 6-8th seed...give me the slim chance at John Wall as opposed to scraping toward a sweep in the first round by a better team.
Winning championships aren't just great; they're intoxicating. I think the OP's ramblings is evidence of this. Furthermore, I think every team and every player should aspire to reach that point at some time in their history/career. That said, I also think there are numerous accomplishments other than rings that are honorable and (should be) thrilling to a fan, such as playoff appearances, all star appearances, and divisional titles (to name a few).
Up until the 1999 championship, the Spurs were a franchise that were pretty consistently good but never great. Some fans may disagree, but I feel like the fact that Spurs have made the playoffs in 30 out of their 34 seasons in the NBA is one of the most impressive aspects about the franchise.
For this season, I still see the Spurs as a darkhorse contender, but I've surrendered the idea that the Spurs are one of the primary contenders for the championship. And you know what? This is still a great season. We've still got a shot, which is thrilling to follow and a lot more than many teams can say. We've had the opportunity to watch the growth of young guys like Hill and Blair who give me much more comfort about the Spurs future. Biggest of all, we've gotten to watch one of the game's greatest ever, Tim Duncan, steady trudge along doing his thing. I haven't always appreciated the fact that such a great athlete plays for my favorite team, but with likely only a season or two left of his dominance, I've got to enjoy it for what it is, because this is it.
To the OP and his supporters: Chill out and enjoy the game. You've had the opportunity to witness one of the greatest runs in the history of sports. You should absorb as much as you can, because later on we're going to be talking about how incredible the Duncan Spurs were for years.
Hell no ! This team just needs to get its shit together. We have enough talent to trade or at the very least have a puncher's chance in the playoffs. As crappy as we've been playing our record is actually respectable and much better than it should be.
I agree, I'm not judging this season until after the rodeo road trip.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cane
Terrible Post, you should be banned from ST.
how do you think we want to go loterry on Mr. duncans final years... we want to go championship baby, all the wayy....
GO SA!:king:ihit
tank tank tank!! I am actually waiting to see who tanks first? Rockets or Spurs lol
Usually the spurs don't win a title unless they struggle mightily in the regular season.
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Originally Posted by duncanCOSTARICA
I don't ever recall them struggling this much, this late in the season...Quote:
Originally Posted by Cry Havoc
I want the Spurs to finish on the 8th spot to go against the Fakers the 1st round :toast
Hell no. Timmy is playing great, you may not get many more years out of this, but milk it while you can.
I deserve myself the right to criticize, shit and crap on the Spurs/organization, but it is still my team and I will not give up on them. :ihit
If you root for the Spurs to fail your not a fan period. I wonder how many will be around when Duncan hangs them up and the window closes. Times thereafter will be rough.
As much as it hurt to lose to the Lakers and Mavericks in consecutive post-seasons, I'd never want the Spurs to tank or miss the playoffs. Do some people realize that the team could conceivably tie or surpass the '60's Boston Celtics and '80's Los Angeles Lakers with the most consecutive 50 win seasons and playoff appearances (someone please fact check)?? That is the sort of historical impact this organization and Tim Duncan has reached over the last 13th seasons.
The answer is: FUCK NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh, and ask Pistons fans if they enjoy seeing their team fall into the abyss of a lottery-bound, bottom-feeder team???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...season_streaksQuote:
Originally Posted by J_Paco
It is impossible to tie 22 continuous years of playoff appearances by the Nationals + 76ers (same franchise). But we are the active leaders, Tim Duncan = greatness
Let's get john wall guys
while I agree that tanking for the lottery this year doesn't make any sense, there are occasions where "losing the battle but winning the war" have merit.Quote:
Originally Posted by My Fault
It took getting destroyed by the Mavericks in the first round for Pop to finally dig up George Hill from his shallow grave and play him. The same Pop who had proclaimed that Hill wouldn't be playing and that the playoffs weren't for him.
It took losses for that to happen. It took injuries to get Stephen Jackson playing time.
There's times for strategic retreats, but this year isn't one of those times as far as missing the playoffs.
PHX was in the lottery, and they don't even play their guy. And that's with a coach who plays young guys like Dragic, Lopez and Dudley. Would a Spurs pick at 14 be any better, provided they hadn't already traded that pick for some 36 year old broken down big man?
Pop would stick a lottery pick in an Iron Mask and lock him in an English dungeon.
Damn I love that pic of Duncan and DRob holding the trophies. You can see the contrast in body types of the two .. both about the same height but Duncan is long, lean, with huge hands and longer arms and DRob is more compact but much more powerfully built. What a pair they made and what a shame they only played together a couple of seasons.Quote:
Originally Posted by J_Paco
TANK 2010 begins when Manu gets injured
over/under @ 3 weeks
raising the bar post :toastQuote:
Originally Posted by vander
awesome buddy :tu