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Re: Just saw Clippers at Wizards, we must go after Haywood!
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Originally Posted by
Phila_Chamberlain
Nazr, like Elson, fell out of the rotation after the Spurs won the championship.
Uh not really. Pretty sure Nazr started everyone of the last 30 games of the regular season and the 3 first games against Sacramento in the first round. He also played in 80 games overall in the regular season. He didn't fall out of the rotation.
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Re: Just saw Clippers at Wizards, we must go after Haywood!
also wrote it in another thread.
the price for Haywood isn't a pick (unless it's a lottery pick, something no lottery bound team will offer for a 40 games rental of Haywood), it is taking Blatche or Stevenson either and expirings in return. (as Bruno said, the more cap relieve they get out of this trade, the better).
not that they didn't like an additional 1st rounder, but it's not the teaser that makes them bite.
offer them Mason, Fin and Ian for Haywood and Blatche and they are delivered to SA this afternoon.
(move would cost the Spurs about 1 million in additional salary plus 2 million in taxes for this season and another 7 million for the next two years for Blatche, plus another 3 million in taxes, if they are tax payers next year. that's big money for a questionable improvement)
yes, Bird rights for Haywood etc., he will command at least MLE type money for at least 3 seasons (Spurs will need to beat such MLE offers), but this would also mean no Splitter. (who likely would be the less costly but more talented solution in the long run)
FO already grabbed deep into Holt's pockets to get RJ and it was a total flop. you really think he brings forward an amount of another 10 million for a 40 games rental of a mediocre player, when there isn't a guarantee he will improve the team to contender level?
Not before they didn't solve the RJ situation at first.
if they can turn back time by getting rid of him in a trade that brings back some cap relieve and expirings, then maybe. but this will be the first step.
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Re: Just saw Clippers at Wizards, we must go after Haywood!
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Originally Posted by
mountainballer
also wrote it in another thread.
the price for Haywood isn't a pick (unless it's a lottery pick, something no lottery bound team will offer for a 40 games rental of Haywood), it is taking Blatche or Stevenson either and expirings in return. (as Bruno said, the more cap relieve they get out of this trade, the better).
not that they didn't like an additional 1st rounder, but it's not the teaser that makes them bite.
offer them Mason, Fin and Ian for Haywood and Blatche and they are delivered to SA this afternoon.
(move would cost the Spurs about 1 million in additional salary plus 2 million in taxes for this season and another 7 million for the next two years for Blatche, plus another 3 million in taxes, if they are tax payers next year. that's big money for a questionable improvement)
yes, Bird rights for Haywood etc., he will command at least MLE type money for at least 3 seasons (Spurs will need to beat such MLE offers), but this would also mean no Splitter. (who likely would be the less costly but more talented solution in the long run)
FO already grabbed deep into Holt's pockets to get RJ and it was a total flop. you really think he brings forward an amount of another 10 million for a 40 games rental of a mediocre player, when there isn't a guarantee he will improve the team to contender level?
Not before they didn't solve the RJ situation at first.
if they can turn back time by getting rid of him in a trade that brings back some cap relieve and expirings, then maybe. but this will be the first step.
I don't think Blatche is considered a liability to the Wizards, he has been a decent back up power forward for them and has potential to become a good starter. Stevenson is the real guy they would like to get rid of. His shooting percentages don't even resemble a NBA player.
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Re: Just saw Clippers at Wizards, we must go after Haywood!
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Originally Posted by
Chieflion
I don't think Blatche is considered a liability to the Wizards, he has been a decent back up power forward for them and has potential to become a good starter. Stevenson is the real guy they would like to get rid of. His shooting percentages don't even resemble a NBA player.
Blatche reportedly has been on the block for weeks and his immature behavior in the last weeks also didn't help his case.
(he isn't a bad prospect though. but inconsistent, raw and immature. next draft will be extremely big man heavy. many teams will find similar prospects with more upside but for a lower price then. guys like Jerome Jordan, Ekpe Udoh or Larry Sanders )
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Re: Just saw Clippers at Wizards, we must go after Haywood!
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Originally Posted by
MaNu4Tres
Uh not really. Pretty sure Nazr started everyone of the last 30 games of the regular season and the 3 first games against Sacramento in the first round. He also played in 80 games overall in the regular season. He didn't fall out of the rotation.
After he didn't sign an extension in the Summer his role diminished immediately.
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Re: Just saw Clippers at Wizards, we must go after Haywood!
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Originally Posted by
mountainballer
Blatche reportedly has been on the block for weeks and his immature behavior in the last weeks also didn't help his case.
(he isn't a bad prospect though. but inconsistent, raw and immature. next draft will be extremely big man heavy. many teams will find similar prospects with more upside but for a lower price then. guys like Jerome Jordan, Ekpe Udoh or Larry Sanders )
I always thought he was immature. Hanging around with Gilbert Arenas will do that to anybody. At least he isn't a J.R Smith. I heard about his work ethic, I believe his game has improved this season, but he isn't going to get huge minutes behind Jamison and Haywood which made him quite inconsistent, he can put up 20/10 quickly or put up a miserable 6/6 in an entire game.
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Re: Just saw Clippers at Wizards, we must go after Haywood!
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Re: Just saw Clippers at Wizards, we must go after Haywood!
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Originally Posted by
z0sa
but no lol to Haywood. Guy is just what we need. Pop would still put small ball out on the floor though.
QFT.
We could have Howard, West and Noah, they would still be glued to the bench because Pop would rather play me at the PF spot--just because I'm 5'9".
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Re: Just saw Clippers at Wizards, we must go after Haywood!
I still think Haywood is Dampier v. 2. Playing for a contract...
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Re: Just saw Clippers at Wizards, we must go after Haywood!
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Originally Posted by
The Truth #6
After he didn't sign an extension in the Summer his role diminished immediately.
What summer?
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Re: Just saw Clippers at Wizards, we must go after Haywood!
Blatche is clearly on the trading block. He has a crappy attitude and after the Arenas debacle, Wizards are surely looking to dump bad apples.
Now, if mountainballer is right and the price to take Haywood is to take Blatche or Stevenson, I would gladly do it with Blatche.
I doubt Spurs will enter the 2010 year with Blair, McDyess and Splitter as supporting cast with Duncan because McDyess will be on his last leg and Splitter will be a rookie. Spurs will have another vet PF/C under contract and I rather have Blatche on a $6.8M/2 years contract than Bonner signed to a new contract.
A trade like Mason+Bonner+Mahinmi for Haywood+Blatche with Mahinmi going to a third team (Nets) would be damn great for Spurs. I would even add Spurs' 2010 first round pick.
However if the price to get Haywood is Stevenson, I would pass. Stevenson is arguably the worst player in the NBA and paying $4.2M in 2011 for nothing is damn ugly.
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Re: Just saw Clippers at Wizards, we must go after Haywood!
Ah, baseless trade speculation.
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Re: Just saw Clippers at Wizards, we must go after Haywood!
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Originally Posted by
Phila_Chamberlain
But when the games really counted in the playoff he didn't play. It was his fault really, after game 1 of the first round Pop was so mad at him for shhoting a 3 pointer that he saw fewer minutes.
But for the majority of the year he did not fall out of the rotation. That was my point.
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Re: Just saw Clippers at Wizards, we must go after Haywood!
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Originally Posted by
Chieflion
I always thought he was immature. Hanging around with Gilbert Arenas will do that to anybody. At least he isn't a J.R Smith. I heard about his work ethic, I believe his game has improved this season, but he isn't going to get huge minutes behind Jamison and Haywood which made him quite inconsistent, he can put up 20/10 quickly or put up a miserable 6/6 in an entire game.
blatche got in trouble a few years ago for soliciting a prostitute. any nba player who has to resort to paying for ass has to be a complete idiot and very immature. like a nba player cant get ass without paying cash money for it with all the groupies and stuff. no thanks to that dude. Pop's reasoning might be different, but he doesnt want that kind of problem. that being said, blatche has an ass ton of talent for a big (can dribble, pass and is athletic but basketball IQ is something akin to mahimnis
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Re: Just saw Clippers at Wizards, we must go after Haywood!
Haywood is soft and very inconsistent. Not to mention he often plays with no heart or effort. Think twice before wanting him.
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Re: Just saw Clippers at Wizards, we must go after Haywood!
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Originally Posted by
Phila_Chamberlain
He has nothing to play for right now.
His next contract, which he will sign this summer.