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Lol. It should be interesting what the FO does. They have always made a move when we needed one so we will definitely be doing something imo. Should be pretty exciting 2nd half of the season, even if we go down in the gutter. im looking forward to seeing what happens. i refuse to believe that we just go into the gutter. no way duncan parker and manu let it happen.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Flip Murray can't command a bench and make everyone play... he's merely a chucker... but you knew that already...Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Fact is, we score more than ever. We just can't stop anybody, and you can't pin that squarely on Ginobili...
One of the interesting things I noticed in todays game, what that anytime he did anything remotely intangible, that is a stl/blk/reb etc, he ran the length of the court and jacked up a shot without even looking to pass it off, like he deserved a shot.
This is very "Milwaukee" like, and until we can shake this from his game, he has no value whatsoever.
Manu hasn't been Manu, but he's had the excuse of coming back from surgery.
AND Manu has won games for the Spurs this year. Either with scoring, assists, defense, hustle plays (the OKC lunge) . . . RJ has been the bigger disappointment by far.
And Manu probably hasn't been as big a disappointment as Parker, no one was expecting that big a drop off from Tony, if any at all. Manu everyone knew was on the downslope easily. Tony should be in his prime.
I saw that... I even saw Tony asking for it and RJ not even looking at him...Quote:
Originally Posted by hsxvvd
That said, I can't believe Pop can call a play for Finley out of a timeout, but can't do that for RJ... RJ's softness on defense is inexcusable, but his lack of integration and offense I put partly on Pop. This is something we discussed since the season started, and has not changed. When he's out there with Tony and Tim, he's simply a spot up three point shooter... even Blair gets more touches than him...
I don't put excuses. I think he had a bad game tonight, and overall, he has been underwhelming, especially his shooting. But I personally, didn't expect him to be at an All Star level, and honestly, I didn't think this team needed him to be at that level to win games. I also didn't think Tony needed to play at last season's level either, and carry such a big load. I thought with more talent, we would be more balanced. It just hasn't panned out.Quote:
Originally Posted by objective
Especially when Manu is just a player that gives you some good minutes against second units and is still better than the only point guard on the roster.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Are you serious? Tony looks worse for wear than Manu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Can we call takebacks? I'd rather have Bruce, KT and Fab back at this point.
Tony hasn't been great this season but he still has been better than Manu.Quote:
Originally Posted by tp2021
And there is the bigger picture. Tony has carry the team the whole last year. It's not crazy to think that he will face some rough moments. OTOH, Manu has been injured for 18 month. Even if it is not his fault, he let Spurs down 2 years in a row. It's not crazy to think that he could come back strong with a revenge.
The healthy Ginobili we are seeing is a damn average player. The magic is gone and I don't know if it will be back one day.
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Originally Posted by Bruno
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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
No amount of message board arguing will convince either of us otherwise and I'm tired of reading arguments like that while my team is getting chode bloaded so we'll just have to agree to disagree on this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
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Originally Posted by tp2021
I like the "I'm better than that" when you are the one bringing the Manu vs. Tony argument. Priceless.
Uh, you were the first one to bring it up in a Richard Jefferson thread. The fact that Parker was worse tonight and has been a bigger disappointment than either Manu or RJ just makes it that much funnier.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
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Originally Posted by Bruno
Its not a Tony vs Manu argument. I'm making light of the parallelism between them; injuries and how it has affected their games. This season, right now, Manu is playing like he is coming back from injury, and improving. Tony looks and is playing like he is still injured.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
I could have just as easily said RJ, or especially Dice, look worse than Manu. But the two of them are just sucking; Tony and Manu have been affected by injury. You said
and I simply pointed out that as far as players affected by injuries go, Tony looks worse for wear than Manu. And at THAT point in the argument is where we disagree, which is what I said in my post before.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Not a fact, it's your opinion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Obstructed_View
12.1 ppg with a 38.7% FG% in January. I don't find he is improving.Quote:
Originally Posted by tp2021
But let's not forget the point.... both TP > Dick & Manu > Dick.
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Originally Posted by Bruno
Dick is a bust. At least Manu is trying while TP is playing through his injury. I feel sorry for Holt for opening his checkbook and getting this shitty play from Dick. Seriously, how much time does he need to gel with this team? What a fucking pussy
RJ is night and day from what he was on the Nets and Bucks... he simply does not function in San Antonio. No way in hell he's still here next year.
Manu carried the team in 2008 because Parker was injured. I just wanted to make sure you knew that. Manu carried us pretty much that whole regular season and got hurt in the playoffs. That is not anyone's fault. The only questionable thing Manu did was play in the Olympics when he should have rested so really he has only cost us 1 down year, not 2 years like you and other people are saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno