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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
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Originally Posted by
neboat
so let's have him come off the bench so he can be more of the focal point
I'm not sure that would work either... I think we would need to tweak our offense to get him involved more, but I don't think Pop wants to do any of that...
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
There's nothing weird about that post. When Tony, Manu or Timmy are not doing well on defense, they try to make up for it on the other end, and most of the time they do. It's a lot harder for a guy like RJ that simply doesn't have the ball in his hands. We're halfway into the season, and we're still not calling plays for Richard. The team basically developed two plays for him: A jumper off a screen (a la Finley) or that Alley-Oop play that they run twice a game and they only execute properly once every 5 games. It doesn't matter what are you paying. RJ has never been a spot up shooter nor a great defender. I don't know why the FO thought they could change his game now.
My thought (when I first heard that Jefferson was coming to the Spurs) was that they were going to implement a different offensive strategy utelizing RJ's strengths.
Not knowing how Manu would return? Having someone that could run with Tony on fast breaks? Having someone that could help in the rebounding department from the SF position? Changing the offense to suit the strengths of the players on the team?
That hasn't happened. And I don't think it's entirely RJ's fault given what his strengths and more importantly (weaknesses are). But it's been a huge waste of money up to this point and that's what's so discouraging.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
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Originally Posted by
Brazil
Everybody has been a big disappointment.
For me the biggest one is not RJ, TP, Manu, Dice etc... the biggest one is POP, I don't like the way he is coaching the young guys, I don't like the minutes management, the fucking experiment, the "I don't know what to expect when I give minutes to Blair", the "Hill is my favorite player, wth ?", the "I don't want to see that TP needs to be rested", the "I let 2 of my big 3 concerned by their future", the "no no no I don't want to give a chance to Ian and Hairston..." stuborn. I can give 10000 examples.
My personnal list:
1- Pop
2- Dice. I really expected much more, I expected him to be the second big capable to help Tim and to give him a rest. Tim is the most important piece of the team and he has to carry the load due to the lack of back up.
3- RJ for sure
4- TP and Manu for me it's a tie. Manu shooting is awful, he helps the team by his passing, his energy but he is hurting with his shooting. TP is way below expectation but at least he is improving.
the rest is at expected level or above expectation: Blair / Mase / Hill mainly
Yeah, TP is improving over the last games, I mean he was much worse at the beginning of the season. He isnt doing so bad you know, by looking at his numbers. I couldnt see the game so I dont know exactly how he played, but he shouldnt get so much blame, especially when he is working is ass off and is still doing quite better.
And as for RJ, I dont know what to say, I find it a shame, he was the guy we had so much hopes from when he got signed and now, it isn't working out. That sucks big time.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
Jefferson is the NEGATION of what a Spur should be.
I wrote this the first minute I watched him play.
A born loser.
He is simply incomparable to any other Spur, including the underachieving McDyess.
Any discussion on that is simply irrelevant.
I haven't seen the Chicago game yet, but it looks like this has been the lowest point in a season that had no highs.
However, it is not HIS fault if he is still playing.
Defense is just a matter of legs, character, attitude and good will.
He seems to have legs, none of the other features.
This is on Pop: while waiting to trade him ASAP, at ANY cost, Pop should just bench him for good.
Or this team is NOT going to make the playoffs.
As simple as that.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
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Originally Posted by
SpurNation
My thought (when I first heard that Jefferson was coming to the Spurs) was that they were going to implement a different offensive strategy utelizing RJ's strengths.
Not knowing how Manu would return? Having someone that could run with Tony on fast breaks? Having someone that could help in the rebounding department from the SF position? Changing the offense to suit the strengths of the players on the team?
That hasn't happened. And I don't think it's entirely RJ's fault given what his strengths and more importantly (weaknesses are). But it's been a huge waste of money up to this point and that's what's so discouraging.
Jefferson only strength is his outragious contract.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
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Originally Posted by
SpurNation
My thought (when I first heard that Jefferson was coming to the Spurs) was that they were going to implement a different offensive strategy utelizing RJ's strengths.
Not knowing how Manu would return? Having someone that could run with Tony on fast breaks? Having someone that could help in the rebounding department from the SF position? Changing the offense to suit the strengths of the players on the team?
That hasn't happened. And I don't think it's entirely RJ's fault given what his strengths and more importantly (weaknesses are). But it's been a huge waste of money up to this point and that's what's so discouraging.
This is what you do! Get in touch with Pop, let him know Jefferson is a SF not Pf an run a shit load of plays for him since we've paid so much for him. We couldve went an got someone from the D-league to find a spot up shooter for millions less! That's what you do.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
WTF??? isn't it about Dick??? stop with the Manu Vs Tony crap.... both suck lately.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
I like how RJ's post game we heard so much about, is demanding the ball - backing down opponent 2 feet - and settling for a 10 ft. fade-away.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
Bruno, I'm coming in really late to this thread :P, I think the major point you're missing in the Jefferson vs. Manu argument is that Manu has at least been putting forth the effort. Hes been laying out on plays, driving the lane, finding passing lanes and just being active. I completely agree that he has been a dissapointment this season, particularly on the defensive end, but its clearly not due to lack of effort. While RJ seems to contribute nothing when hes not scoring, he shows almost no effort and he does not try on defense.
Ill take a struggling Manu who is trying over a struggling Jefferson who is complacent any day.
...just my two cents.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
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Originally Posted by
Bruno
That's just wrong.
Like it or not but Ginobili has been a huge disappointment this year and nearly as big as RJ.
He has been injured a lot these past years and the hope coming into this season was that he would nearly be back at his previous level.
After an half season, he isn't anywhere close to that level. i don't even see how it can be even debatable.
No - this is completely wrong. I'm not sure which level headed Spurs fan thought we'd ever see 2005 Manu again and I'd venture to say this is exactly what anyone who knew anything expected out of him.
If you expected more then you were delusional.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
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Originally Posted by
Bruno
All star or near all star level for Ginobili was a surreal expectation?
Yes
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
I'm not making any decisions concerning "who's been more of a disappointment", but I'm with Bruno on Manu's predicted potential being at a near all-star level again. That's what we were expecting from him last season before he officially broke. And, if the consensus truly is that he has fallen to role player status, then trading him while his expiring is most valuable is the move to make.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
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Originally Posted by
neboat
RJ sucks...he should come off the bench where he can have more freedom and expand his offensive game and go against the opponent's bench players. However, I am not sure what we can do about his horrible defense...he's as bad as Finley.
this is right on spot.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
If we had Dick Jefferson not being a total asshat disappointment, Manu's slowing production (scoring wise especially) wouldnt be that big of a deal.
Manu as the 4th option is more than good enough, adding in his improved passing skills this year and we would be fine.
Dick being totally useless is probably reason A that we are as bad as we are this year.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
RJ looks a little heavy. I think he needs to shed 15 to 20 pounds so he can be what he once was... 20 less pounds on him would go a long way I believe... http://i27.tinypic.com/10o401h.jpg
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
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Originally Posted by
T2150
RJ looks a little heavy. I think he needs to shed 15 to 20 pounds so he can be what he once was... 20 less pounds on him would go a long way I believe...
http://i27.tinypic.com/10o401h.jpg
Could be.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
Spurs spend 20 millions for Jefferson and papa McDyess,
and the problem is Ginobili.
This is just so wonderful.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
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Originally Posted by
Bukefal
Yeah, TP is improving over the last games, I mean he was much worse at the beginning of the season. He isnt doing so bad you know, by looking at his numbers. I couldnt see the game so I dont know exactly how he played, but he shouldnt get so much blame, especially when he is working is ass off and is still doing quite better.
And as for RJ, I dont know what to say, I find it a shame, he was the guy we had so much hopes from when he got signed and now, it isn't working out. That sucks big time.
Regarding TP the most positive thing is the decrease of TOs, the limitation of his FGAs and I think his passing is better.
Now Pop is stupid by playing him huge minutes in the first half when the guy is struggling physically !
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
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Originally Posted by
MannyIsGod
No - this is completely wrong. I'm not sure which level headed Spurs fan thought we'd ever see 2005 Manu again and I'd venture to say this is exactly what anyone who knew anything expected out of him.
If you expected more then you were delusional.
2008 Ginobili (before his injuries) was damn great, it was a little different than 2005 Ginobili but it was as good if not better. Manu was on the 3rd all-NBA team that year.
I was expecting that Manu was finally 100% healthy this year and that he would be back at a level quite close to his 2008 one. When you compare both, 2008 Ginobili was an hungry lion and the 2010 is a sweet kitty. Manu is doing some cute things this year (like his assists) but he is nowhere near the level he had before his injuries 18 months ago.
You can call me delusional but it was what I expected from Manu and I'm very disappointed right now by how little he brings to the team.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
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Originally Posted by
ElNono
No way. Not even close. Unless you had some surreal expectations, I guess.
I mean, losing his athleticism was expected, but nobody expected him to make up for it by being the de-facto reserve PG on the team. He hasn't shot well, but he commanded what was the best bench on the NBA by a mile this season.
RJ was supposed to be the athletic guy, and a 20 ppg scorer... furthermore, he was trumpeted by the coach as a potential defensive stopper... to say none of that happened is an understatement...
No way RJ was suppose to be a 20 ppg scorer as the 4'th option on the spurs. RJ is athletic but he is not the type of player that can create his own shots out of set defenses. He needs to run in the open court. Too bad the spurs don't like to get out and run and use his athleticism.
He was a bad fit for the type of offense the spurs run and he is not a good defensive player, never was.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
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Originally Posted by
temujin
Spurs spend 20 millions for Jefferson and papa McDyess,
and the problem is Ginobili.
This is just so wonderful.
:lol
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
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Originally Posted by
temujin
Spurs spend 20 millions for Jefferson and papa McDyess,
and the problem is Ginobili.
This is just so wonderful.
Got the sandy vagina problem again, eh?
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
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Originally Posted by
z0sa
I'm not making any decisions concerning "who's been more of a disappointment", but I'm with Bruno on Manu's predicted potential being at a near all-star level again. That's what we were expecting from him last season before he officially broke. And, if the consensus truly is that he has fallen to role player status, then trading him while his expiring is most valuable is the move to make.
Manu is no where near all star level. Never really was. He has had some nice runs from time to time but too inconsistent to be considered an all star. One gift all star appearance when others who did not make the team that year had better stats and never again to an all star team.
He doesn't get all star minutes and doesn't put up all star stats. This board has overrated him.
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
Jefferson has been so bad this year, i am shocked at how little an impact he has made.. This fuckin guy is making 14 mil this year, and he just is lousy..
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Re: I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.
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Originally Posted by
rascal
Manu is no where near all star level. Never really was. He has had some nice runs from time to time but too inconsistent to be considered an all star. One gift all star appearance when others who did not make the team that year had better stats and never again to an all star team.
He doesn't get all star minutes and doesn't put up all star stats. This board has overrated him.
:lmao
