I'm speechless R. Jefferson 1-8, 2 pts 2 reb 1 BLK.

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Originally Posted by Bukefal

Yeah I agree, he should get rest, but that's the thing, I don't think we can afford to rest him so much, without even more increasing damage to our results. We need him, even if he isn't 100% he is still very important, he has shown that even more over the recent games.

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I'm not saying not playing him but at least limit his minutes during the first half to have him fresh for the second half.

MY GOD !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

26:03 Mins, 1-8 FG, 0-2 FTs, -14 +/-, 2 Reb, 0 Ast, ***2 Pts***

It's not even the playoffs and this guy is choking like this, we should of just traded for Captain Jack. :| These are Dark Times...

i think RJ would be best in a run and shoot phoenix suns/ golden state/knicks kind of offense...in a deliberate half court setting he seems to be impotent

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Originally Posted by Bruno

I was expecting that Manu was finally 100% healthy this year and that he would be back at a level quite close to his 2008 one. When you compare both, 2008 Ginobili was an hungry lion and the 2010 is a sweet kitty. Manu is doing some cute things this year (like his assists) but he is nowhere near the level he had before his injuries 18 months ago.

You can call me delusional but it was what I expected from Manu and I'm very disappointed right now by how little he brings to the team

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Manu stepping up in the passing department is cute and he brings little ? Un-real. You're seeing the game differently to many here. Manu's passing and play-making this season has been beautiful to watch.

The true meaning of cute is ugly but interesting. Manu's scoring is down but he's contributing other ways that arn't as pretty as scoring. Remember, this Spurs team has won being ugly. When i see him dive for a loseball, hustle for a steal, fight for position against bigger SF's and PF's or put his body on the line for a charge. I see a guy trying his guts out. It makes it easy to overlook his scoring. I see a guy that only cares about helping his team to a win. When i see his teammates down on their scoring but doing nothing else to help their team it's a lot harder to digest.

You are delusional. Your emphasis on Tony, scoring and all star numbers is probably why.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Anyway, that's the way ST is. Manu is perfect and it's never his fault.

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and to think that Richard Jefferson's contract is double Shawn Marion's contract

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Originally Posted by Slippy

Manu stepping up in the passing department is cute and he brings little ? Un-real. You're seeing the game differently to many here. Manu's passing and play-making this season has been beautiful to watch.

The true meaning of cute is ugly but interesting. Manu's scoring is down but he's contributing other ways that arn't as pretty as scoring. Remember, this Spurs team has won being ugly. When i see him dive for a loseball, hustle for a steal, fight for position against bigger SF's and PF's or put his body on the line for a charge. I see a guy trying his guts out. It makes it easy to overlook his scoring. I see a guy that only cares about helping his team to a win. When i see his teammates down on their scoring but doing nothing else to help their team it's a lot harder to digest.

You are delusional. Your emphasis on Tony, scoring and all star numbers is probably why.

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:lol at Bruno emphasis on tony and scoring. I can't even remember Bruno trying to defend tony here (on the contrary of me lol) and there are probably dozens of posts of him saying that we need defense more than anything else and that since the beginning of the season. you're just dumb to answer that without even trying to answer his arguments.

You remember manu's save on the dive ? i remember he was 0-10 on that game and that the dive came after a bad pass from him.

You're talking, as many manu's fans, about his supposed improved passing game ? His APG has increased, still not too much, because he looks more for passing, not because of improved skills.

Still he's averaging less assists per minutes than tony and his ratio assists/bad passes is quite average, clearly lower than tony's one and not really different than the others years for him (about 3.5 when tony was at almost 8 last year and 4.5 this year IIRC).

I'm not bringing Tony for a manu vs tony thing but just to compare with our PG who isn't a pass first PG and who is having a so so year. Still, by all measuring ways, he's passing more efficiently than manu.
Manu can make the greatest assists, no doubt and he's doing quite well in the playmaking area as always. but nothing to erase his 40 % FG and his erratic play like some fans try to prove with the famous "intangibles".

We need a player that knows how to score without dominating the ball.

Players like Kirk Hinrich, Shane Battier, and Courtney Lee come to mind.

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Originally Posted by RenaldoBalkman

We need a player that knows how to score without dominating the ball.

Players like Kirk Hinrich, Shane Battier, and Courtney Lee come to mind.

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That is true. Tony, especially, can't do anything without dominating the ball. manu can be a spot up shooter, but that's not his game and what makes him a special player. Same for tim who needs his post moves to dominate.

so, i couldn't agree more with you.

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Originally Posted by kace

:lol at Bruno emphasis on tony and scoring. I can't even remember Bruno trying to defend tony here (on the contrary of me lol) and there are probably dozens of posts of him saying that we need defense more than anything else and that since the beginning of the season. you're just dumb to answer that without even trying to answer his arguments.

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There's numerous posts in this thread where he comments about Tony, Manu's scoring and allstar expectations. I guess that makes you dumber for missing them and his bitch for responding for him.

he's on a big big slump! he must know his real role with the team.

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Originally Posted by kace

i would say they're having the same season more or less.

but manu's has been able to give some sparks from the bench that have provided some runs for the team in some games and so that have been huge for us whereas RJ was almost always a non-factor.

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Make up your mind, please.

Spurs had the best bench to start the season in the entire NBA. Ginobili had nothing to do with that?

RJ has been a complete disappointment on both ends so far, period.

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Originally Posted by westbound17

he's on a big big slump! he must know his real role with the team.

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Yeah, warm the bench, maybe help assist the towel boys handing out water? Hes gotta make used for that 14mil somewhere right.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Make up your mind, please.

Spurs had the best bench to start the season in the entire NBA. Ginobili had nothing to do with that?

RJ has been a complete disappointment on both ends so far, period.

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manu is great from the bench, we all know he could be a starter. but a lof of others players are involved in the bench production: hill, blair, bonner...... almost everyone outside RJ, tim and tony has came from the bench this season.

Well, now the Spurs fans see why many Laker fans laughed at Jefferson being the difference maker.

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Originally Posted by 2Cleva

Well, now the Spurs fans see why many Laker fans laughed at Jefferson being the difference maker.

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except nobody really knew how that trade was gonna turn out. Lakerfans were just being haters

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Originally Posted by 2Cleva

Well, now the Spurs fans see why many Laker fans laughed at Jefferson being the difference maker.

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How's your boy Artest doing? Did they remove all the stairs at Staples in order to keep him from hurtin himself?

:lol

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Originally Posted by ZB 512

and to think that Richard Jefferson's contract is double Shawn Marion's contract

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Marion is on the books in Dallas for 5 years. RJ becomes a 15 mil expiring contract next year.

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Originally Posted by TJastal

How's your boy Artest doing? Did they remove all the stairs at Staples in order to keep him from hurtin himself?

:lol

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Defense has been great, he's not in the triangle groove on the other end.

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Originally Posted by 2Cleva

Well, now the Spurs fans see why many Laker fans laughed at Jefferson being the difference maker.

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Jefferson for Gasol,
do it Mitch