Manu was fouled twice

Not the reason we lost. Out of curiosity, I would still like to know if Pop really drew that play at the end...

I guess when you start winning games of your own accord, you earn the respect of the refs. Until then, we'll continue to be treated like we deserve.

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Originally Posted by Shastafarian

That's a new one to me.

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If a jump ball is retained by the offense after being caused by the defense tying the ball up-- and there are less than 5 seconds on the shot clock-- the clock is reset to 5. If the defense wins the jump (as happened) then obviously they get 24 seconds.

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The 24-second clock shall remain the same as when play was interrupted or reset to 5 seconds, whichever is greater, any time on jump balls retained by the offensive team as the result of a held ball caused by the defense.

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http://i.cdn.turner.com/nba/nba/.ele...Rook_09-10.pdf

It wasn't really a foul. I don't know why Manu thought the refs were going to bail him out with that weak ass play. I hate it when players try to get the call rather than do their job and try to score the damn basketball.

It annoys the hell out of me.

Shitty Ginobili play down the stretch



Again

if TP had missed those two last shots, there would have been ten threads bashing him.

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Originally Posted by kace

if TP had missed those two last shots, there would have been ten threads bashing him.

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I get really tired of the whiny Manu or Tony fans complaining about who should get the most blame or credit around here.

I'm a SPURS FAN. Neither one is playing well enough. Okay?

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Originally Posted by Harry Callahan

I get really tired of the whiny Manu or Tony fans complaining about who should get the most blame or credit around here.

I'm a SPURS FAN. Neither one is playing well enough. Okay?

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i totally agree.

i still find funny that when manu misses the two last shots, you have people trying to find excuses for him.

I'll always be OK with manu taking the last shot, as for tim or tony, though. he has earned this right, no doubt. but when he misses, he misses, that's all. no BS excuse.

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Originally Posted by kace

if TP had missed those two last shots, there would have been ten threads bashing him.

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Tony played well and has been playing well... if I have a beef with Tony in this game, it's his defense. Hinrich took him to school. But he always has been a fairly lousy defender, so there's nothing new there. It's just like I've been disappointed with Manu's shooting. Even though he's making up for it with other stuff, it would be nice to have both.
But there's bigger problems than Tony and Manu in this team...

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Originally Posted by Harry Callahan

I get really tired of the whiny Manu or Tony fans complaining about who should get the most blame or credit around here.

I'm a SPURS FAN. Neither one is playing well enough. Okay?

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Agree, and there's bigger fish to fry as far as finding why we're not performing up to par...

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Tony played well and has been playing well... if I have a beef with Tony in this game, it's his defense. Hinrich took him to school. But he always has been a fairly lousy defender, so there's nothing new there. It's just like I've been disappointed with Manu's shooting. Even though he's making up for it with other stuff, it would be nice to have both.
But there's bigger problems than Tony and Manu in this team...

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OK. as for tony 's defense, don't you think he will improve it come PO time ?

i mean, tony's isn't a defensive force, that's clear. Still, i can't remember him being embarrassed on PO whereas i clearly saw him lazy many times on the RS.

It could be the same old song this year. i'm not saying i agree with that but if his PF let him improve his defense in PO as usual, i can live with it (unless the Spurs aren't even if PO of course).

how about those mysterious 5 seconds.

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Originally Posted by kace

OK. as for tony 's defense, don't you think he will improve it come PO time ?

i mean, tony's isn't a defensive force, that's clear. Still, i can't remember him being embarrassed on PO whereas i clearly saw him lazy many times on the RS.

It could be the same old song this year. i'm not saying i agree with that but if his PF let him improve his defense in PO as usual, i can live with it (unless the Spurs aren't even if PO of course).

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I agree, and my point was that normally Tony makes up for that with his scoring. Like I said, this team has bigger problems than Manu or Tony.

There are NO concise calls when it comes to fouls being called though there ARE concise rules as to what constitutes a foul.

Street ball has more honor regarding the "game" of basketball than any league organized endeavor.

But that's always been the case. And as always the case...it sucks when it happens to your favorite team.

If that were Kobe attempting the same play...???

Oh Well...it's the part of basketball that has been around as long as the sport itself. Too bad the Spurs couldn't make defensive stops earlier that wouldn't have made THAT play THAT important.

if the spurs only play good basketball there would be no excuses for no calls

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Regarding last minute calls:

When there's a no call in favor of the Spurs, Spurs fans say, "Good job by the refs, gotta let them play this late in the game." When it doesn't favor the Spurs, then the complaining begins.

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While I completely agree with this, I think you could replace the name Spurs with just about any other team, and the outcome would be about the same.

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Originally Posted by PublicOption

how about those mysterious 5 seconds.

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LOL maybe but the Spurs got the ball on jump ball so this really isn't an issue.

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Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain

I agree it was a foul, but calling it that late when it might be a no call other times in the night against the team that ussually has the refs on their side is just weird to me. When I think about late game fouls the one game that always makes me scratch my head is the 2006 playoffs Spurs/Mavs game 7. We all remember the Dirk and 1 when Manu fouled him at the rim and Dirk forced overtime, but what people forget is that Tim was fouled just as hard under the basket the next play.

The foul on dirk is at 8:35



The foul on Tim is the first play in this video:



That's really the only problem I have with refs today. They should decide in the fourth quarter "If this gets close do we let them play or do we call fouls?" In all honesty no one can be happy either way.

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Kerr played on the 1996 Bulls team that MJ got a end of the game foul call against Seattle in the Finals. Remember the league normally didn't do that but for MJ everybody gave a pass except MJ haters aND Seattle fans

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Originally Posted by easy7

Is this team that bad that is has to depend on refs to bail it out? Just saying..

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I think it's the third or fourth time this season that the "refs" lost the game for us.

How bout just making the damm layup?

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Originally Posted by Phila_Chamberlain

I agree it was a foul, but calling it that late when it might be a no call other times in the night against the team that ussually has the refs on their side is just weird to me. When I think about late game fouls the one game that always makes me scratch my head is the 2006 playoffs Spurs/Mavs game 7. We all remember the Dirk and 1 when Manu fouled him at the rim and Dirk forced overtime, but what people forget is that Tim was fouled just as hard under the basket the next play.

The foul on dirk is at 8:35

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That's really the only problem I have with refs today. They should decide in the fourth quarter "If this gets close do we let them play or do we call fouls?" In all honesty no one can be happy either way.

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my god, i had forgotten this last play to win the serie. now, i remember it. Manu missed badly but Tim right arm is heavily hit by Dirk, a clear foul. Wow.