Silver Lining as the Panic Siren Sounds

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01-25-2010
timvp

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I'm not really worried about missing the playoffs. I highly doubt the Spurs miss the playoffs.

I'm more worried about the Spurs having to play so hard during the regular season to just make the playoffs that they are spent by May 1st.
01-25-2010
z0sa

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Would you blame players for tuning out a coach that puts 4 guards and a power forward into the game to try to get a stop? This is the same thing he did against Dallas in the '06 playoffs and made Dasagana Diop look like an all-star.

Pop deserves some negative criticism, if only because his words belie his actions. Why go on about stops and put small-ball, offense only lineups out there? He must think we're stupid, so maybe he does read ST afterall
01-25-2010
igruex

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Originally Posted by timvp

The main reason why I still believe is that Pop seems to seeing the light of common sense when it comes to who should play and how many minutes players should be out on the court. Now if we can only stop Pop from playing midget ball when defensive stops are needed . . . .

If that's the silver lining, we are not even a playoff team. We are getting abused on defense.

I'm not really sure we should give Jefferson another 10-day contract extension... oh wait...
01-25-2010
the crimson blur

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Originally Posted by boutons_deux

To get 50W, Spurs need from tonight to to 25-14.

We have one of the hardest schedules in history left. Spurs will be lucky to finish above .500, let alone make the playoffs.

We knew that there would eventually be a rough year where it all falls apart and the rebuilding slowly begins. Watching a dynasty crumble is one of the roughest things in basketball. Old Celtic fans talk about how hard those early 90s were to watch; even worse than all those terrible rebuilding seasons after that. If you know you are bad, 30 wins becomes an accomplishment. When you expect a championship from a core, and then they can't, thats when it becomes heartbreaking.

I want the Spurs to do some magic but I don't see it. When one of the worst offensive teams in basketball shoots almost 60% and scores 98 points on you this late in the season, there really isn't enough time to make enough improvement for a deep run. But, hey, the Spurs always surprise me so I'll stick to hoping.
01-25-2010
vy65

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Originally Posted by timvp

I'm not really worried about missing the playoffs. I highly doubt the Spurs miss the playoffs.

I'm more worried about the Spurs having to play so hard during the regular season to just make the playoffs that they are spent by May 1st.

Isn't that why going to an 8 man rotation is bad? Ostensibly, the bigger the rotation, the more rest for our horses -- in theory.
01-25-2010
HarlemHeat37

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I really don't think we have the roster to compete on a consistent basis..

-No defensive big with Duncan..
-No athleticism at all..(the athletes didn't get a chance)..
-No perimeter defender other than Hill..
-Lack of size everywhere..(Ian doesn't play)..

The size can be corrected with athleticism, but we don't have either..

That's just the roster, it doesn't account for the poor coaching..
01-25-2010
ShoogarBear

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Spurs now have more home losses than road wins.

Ten teams in the West have more road wins than home losses.

Missing the playoffs is a very real possibility.
01-25-2010
HarlemHeat37

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I'm also concerned that Pop has just lost the ability to motivate this team..
01-25-2010
the crimson blur

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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

Spurs now have more home losses than road wins.

Ten teams in the West have more road wins than home losses.

Missing the playoffs is a very real possibility.

This 6 game homestand we are in is the easiest stretch we have left (and its not easy at all). We are 0-3 in it so far.

How anyone can be confident we make the playoffs with the way we are playing I don't know.
01-25-2010
timvp

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

-No athleticism at all..(the athletes didn't get a chance)..

I don't see athleticism as a problem. This year's team has way more athleticism than any team in the TD Era.
01-25-2010
tlongII

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Not enough size. This rotation won't do squat.
01-25-2010
timvp

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Originally Posted by ShoogarBear

Spurs now have more home losses than road wins.

Ten teams in the West have more road wins than home losses.

Missing the playoffs is a very real possibility.

95% chance Spurs make the playoffs. What number would you put on it?
01-25-2010
murpjf88

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You can't teach an old dog new tricks. They make the same mistakes over and over again. It makes me wonder what the hell they even accomplish at halftime or during practice. Game preparation absolutely sucks. They don't have one player I feel confident in taking the final shot. They hardly ever even take a high percentage shot. The spurs are going downhill fast.
01-25-2010
mexicanjunior

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Originally Posted by timvp

95% chance Spurs make the playoffs. What number would you put on it?

65%...but honestly, sneaking into a 6-8th seed doesn't seem all that enticing...
01-25-2010
SenorSpur

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There is no siliver lining in any of this.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If the team is going to lose, I'd rather they do so with players that have more of their career in front of them than behind them. Players that have promise WILL get better.

There's no reward for mediocrity. If you're losing anyway, it simply makes more sense to lose with young, cheap talent than lose with expensive old vets.
01-25-2010
dastrey

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The more the Spurs lose, the more likely they trade for a big. Even if the current squad gels, they are not an elite team.
01-25-2010
igruex

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70% being optimistic
01-25-2010
timvp

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Originally Posted by SenorSpur

There is no siliver lining in any of this.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. If the team is going to lose, I'd rather they do so with players that have more of their career in front of them than behind them. Players that have promise WILL get better.

There's no reward for mediocrity. If you're losing anyway, it simply makes more sense to lose with young, cheap talent than lose with expensive old vets.

Typically, that is the wise move. But with the Spurs having a legit window that may very well close after this season (if Manu leaves, I'd say the window is closed) or may extend one or two seasons, there really isn't a future to build toward. The Spurs have to play for the now.
01-25-2010
Cant_Be_Faded

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Originally Posted by timvp

I don't see athleticism as a problem. This year's team has way more athleticism than any team in the TD Era.

I think athleticism is a real problem that's been getting worse ever since about 2005. You are right about this year's team, but the problem is the gap between our athleticism and the basic level of athleticism throughout the league is getting wider and wider. We have been declining in relative athleticism for a while now.

This + the length gap between us and other teams spells failure. You can't teach size and athleticism.
01-25-2010
Shastafarian

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Originally Posted by timvp

The Spurs should be panicking right now. I won't be convinced otherwise. They are in a lot of trouble.

That said, I liked the distribution of minutes. An eight-man rotation featuring RMJ and not featuring Bogans, Finley or Bonner is a playoff-esque type rotation. This alignment allows the Spurs a lot of potential ... even though it'll be an uphill battle to get this rotation to defend well enough.

The main reason why I still believe is that Pop seems to seeing the light of common sense when it comes to who should play and how many minutes players should be out on the court. Now if we can only stop Pop from playing midget ball when defensive stops are needed . . . .

I saw all I needed to see when he had Manu at PF on the bull's possession when Noah got the putback. No Dice. No Blair. And even though Blair has been playing relatively poorly, he is still the best rebounder on the team. With a tie game and the other team with the ball, you leave your best rebounder on the bench. Totally inexcusable.
01-25-2010
Obstructed_View

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Originally Posted by timvp

Typically, that is the wise move. But with the Spurs having a legit window that may very well close after this season (if Manu leaves, I'd say the window is closed) or may extend one or two seasons, there really isn't a future to build toward. The Spurs have to play for the now.

How exactly do the Spurs have a window playing an 8 man rotation mainly of guards? When Finley gets back he'll probably get minutes from Jefferson or Dice.
01-25-2010
SCdac

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What I don't understand, is how a veteran like Tim Duncan has not asked Pop and the Spurs franchise to cool it with small-ball. I mean, surely Duncan has a legitimate say when it comes to the playbook, right? Assuming he does, have we to believe he's OK with being the lone big man, the lone shot blocker, in the rotation? That he doesn't view it as overly taxing, like it appears to be?.... I really wonder what goes through TD's head.... Not so much Pop, we know what he's thinking.
01-25-2010
z0sa

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The Spurs don't have a 'very strong' chance at making the playoffs. They've had the second easiest schedule in the NBA and have vastly underachieved. They've lost 3 straight at home against beatable competition. The same problems from earlier this season are still there. Our guys are facing injury troubles too, per the usual.
01-25-2010
HarlemHeat37

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Originally Posted by timvp

I don't see athleticism as a problem. This year's team has way more athleticism than any team in the TD Era.

Maybe(I disagree), but our big 3 are all significantly less athletic than previous years..when your core gets older, you expect the FO to surround them with more athleticism to make up for their drop-offs, at least IMO..

We really don't have any athletes in the rotation other than Hill and Jefferson..the problem with RJ is that he's very slow when it comes to lateral quickness, so he doesn't even really have impressive athleticism outside of leaping..
01-25-2010
SenorSpur

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Originally Posted by timvp

Typically, that is the wise move. But with the Spurs having a legit window that may very well close after this season (if Manu leaves, I'd say the window is closed) or may extend one or two seasons, there really isn't a future to build toward. The Spurs have to play for the now.

Agreed.

However with each passing game, cold, hard reality is setting in and it's beginning to look as though there is no NOW to play for.

The failure of the offseason acquisitions to improve the team makes it appear that the window is just about closed.

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