Wojnarowski: Spurs consider bidding for Stoudemire

Spurs consider bidding for Stoudemire
By Adrian Wojnarowski

Another intriguing suitor could emerge in the bidding for Phoenix Suns star Amar’e Stoudemire: the San Antonio Spurs.

Multiple league sources say the Spurs’ front office has researched and debated pursuing Stoudemire to play alongside Tim Duncan.

There are questions for the Spurs to answer: Would they be willing to part with the personnel – including possibly Manu Ginobili – to make a deal happen?

Do the Spurs want to re-sign Stoudemire to a contract extension and swell their payroll?

Do they believe Stoudemire could be the difference for their fifth championship?

All questions with no clear answers for the Spurs – yet.

Nevertheless, the possibility of an athletic, offensive force like Stoudemire has become too irresistible to easily dismiss. The Spurs (25-18) have lost five of their past six games, and have fallen into sixth place in the Western Conference.

“They know they’ve got to do something,” says a source familiar with the front office’s thinking. “They feel like they’ve got to at least look at this … and they are.”

The Miami Heat are exploring the possibility of a deal, but Pat Riley also knows he can keep Dwyane Wade and sign Stoudemire as a free agent this summer. Miami’s president doesn’t have to make a trade now. Chicago, Philadelphia, New Jersey, Detroit and Minnesota are among other teams with an interest with Stoudemire.

For Phoenix and San Antonio, there could be a different urgency. The Suns are motivated to move Stoudemire out of a growing belief they’ll never come to terms with him on a contract extension. Stoudemire can opt out of the $17.7 million owed him next season. Suns owner Robert Sarver has been in constant cost-cutting mode, and although he does want to keep Stoudemire, it’s become increasingly unlikely that will happen.

The Spurs need a young, athletic frontcourt complement for an aging Duncan. Despite taking on significant payroll this summer in moves for Richard Jefferson and Antonio McDyess, it’s become clearer to the Spurs that their frontline is still ill-equipped to overthrow the Los Angeles Lakers.

The Spurs have always maintained an interest in Toronto Raptors forward Chris Bosh, a Texas native, but Raptors’ general manager Bryan Colangelo has yet to show a strong inclination to trade his star before his impending free agency this summer.

As painful as it would be for the franchise and fans, the Spurs could try to part with Ginobili and his $10.8 million expiring contract to make a package work. What about burgeoning young guard George Hill, a Gregg Popovich favorite? The Spurs also own the rights to one of the best young centers in Europe, Tiago Splitter, whom a source says could leave the Spanish League to get to the NBA next season.

Many league executives wonder, too: Would the Suns be adverse to trading such a major talent to a longstanding Western Conference rival? Perhaps, but understand the market for Stoudemire is somewhat limited because so many teams don’t want to part with well-regarded assets and draft picks for what could amount to be a rent-a-player for this season.

Almost all teams would want assurance they could re-sign Stoudemire. Given the All-Star’s stated desire to play for a championship contender, staying with the Spurs wouldn’t seem to be the most difficult sell.

My jaw dropped while I was reading this. If this is true, I don't know whether to be happy or sad.

I love GNob but done and done if Phx would go for it.
GNobs health i believe will continue to be iffy and on a downslide.

What a waste Jefferson and Dice have been so far.

...and so it begins.

wow. i'd have mixed feelings about amare. i'd probly love it and hate it at the same time. he's not known for lockdown d at all, but the spurs do play team defense and he's got good physique for a paint presence. i know if somehow it ended up happening, i couldn't help but get excited.

I would do it if requires bot touching parker,duncan,ginobili even jefferson who could be useful

but still doesnt make us better defense wise just more athletic

but i really doubt the suns offer there best player for nothing espically to a conference rival adn a team there still bitter for

WOW....I'm not going to lie losing Manu would hurt...and although Amare isnt exactly the best defender...he does bring a 7 ft. defensive "presence" at least and does block shots. And he also finishes at the basket and over the years has developed a 15-18 foot jumper.

L o l...

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wow. i'd have mixed feelings about amare. i'd probly love it and hate it at the same time. he's not known for lockdown d at all, but the spurs do play team defense and he's got good physique for a paint presence. i know if somehow it ended up happening, i couldn't help but get excited.

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He's not known for lockdown d, or help d, or post d, or d on the pick and roll....

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He's not known for lockdown d, or help d, or post d, or d on the pick and roll....

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But put him next to TD and who knows....

Why can't we get rid of Jefferson instead of Manu :bang *cries*

I know...it's just talk but just thinking about it...:(

I'm happy. Not at that prospect of getting Stoudemire (I know it's a long shot that that would happen and an even longer shot that he re-signs in small market San Antonio to play third fiddle to Duncan and Parker), but happy at these quotes: "they know they need to do something" and "it’s become clearer to the Spurs that their frontline is still ill-equipped to overthrow the Los Angeles Lakers". Even though it was blatantly obvious to anyone watching, it's good to know that the front office is seemingly motivated to do something.

I don't think Stoudemire would be a great fit. He plays no defense, is a sub-par rebounder/shot blocker and needs the ball to be effective. Not to mention, just think what the Spurs would have to give up just to have a chance to acquire him. They'd practically have to gut their roster. Having said all that, I'm now at least confident in this team putting on a full court press to acquire either Haywood or Camby. Because of their seeming motivation and urgency (plus the assets they do have are perfect to acquire a second tier big like one of those two), I suspect they'll acquire one.

Horrible idea.

Lets just get rid of our best pick and roll passer (Manu) for a pick and roll dunker.

And you know Tony doesn't pass like Nash can.:bang

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Why can't we get rid of Jefferson instead of Manu :bang *cries*

I know...it's just talk but just thinking about it...:(

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lol, who in the hell would want him right now? :lol

Would having Stoudemire really put the Spurs over the top? Make them better than they are? Would he have to sign a deal before such a trade could occur?

I figure Ginobili would be part of this exchange if it happens....:(:depressed

Don't know if I would like this......:(

At this point, you lock up Duncan and roll the dice on any other player.

It hurts but it sure hurts alot less than missing the Playoffs and falling into mediocrity.

give them jefferson

Here ya go Sarver, I just saved you $2,178,325 and RJ gets to play in his home state.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yjgkeyq

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...g?t=1264573711

I can't picture Manu in a Suns uniform.

Just... no.

They can't have Manu, but if they take hometown boy Jefferson and Splitter's rights, I wouldn't vomit too much at his horrible defense.

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At this point, you lock up Duncan and roll the dice on any other player.

It hurts but it sure hurts alot less than missing the Playoffs and falling into mediocrity.

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I realize that Manu's time as a Spur will end but it's still hard to let go......:(

I don't know if this possible trade scenario would make the Spurs any better than they are now.....which isn't that great........well, I imagine this thread will go 20+ pages......:lol

Should Ginobili stay or should he go???!!! :hat

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I can't picture Manu in a Suns uniform.

Just... no.

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How about a buy out and after the mandatory thirty-day waiting period, a return to the Spurs? In all seriousness, I doubt Ginobili would do that. He seems like the type of guy who would be so hurt that the Spurs traded him that he wouldn't come back.

Stoudemire is a fringe top twenty player, but he should be better than he is and manytalk about a loss of intangible players, well this trade would only further that. In theory, it sounds great. In reality, I'm not sure he really solves any of the Spurs problems, he just gives them a ridiculously athletic, talented player to add to the front line. But he's not really the type of player the Spurs need.

finley,bonner,mason,mcdyess for stoudemire would work numbers wise on the trade machine and maybe throw a fist round draft pick

more minutes for Ian and possibly if realistic Mcdyess could come back to San Antonio somehow

Shit, the Spurs should aim for a solid 2nd tier/3rd tier center before giving up on Manu as a San Antonio Spur. Pry a guy like Chris Kaman or Kendrick Perkins away, even if it takes a future first rounder.

i like it. the duncan effect will make him even better.

Is manu really going to re sign back with us anyway.

seems butthurt about the whole situation

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Shit, the Spurs should aim for a solid 2nd tier/3rd tier center before giving up on Manu as a San Antonio Spur. Pry a guy like Chris Kaman or Kendrick Perkins away, even if it takes a future first rounder.

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i only wish the spurs could get kaman.

kaman isnt going anywhere. maybe camby

hmmmm why not.....manu ain't the same player he use to be.......bring on stoudemire....suns can take rj as well :)

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Originally Posted by TD 21

Stoudemire is a fringe top twenty player, but he should be better than he is and manytalk about a loss of intangible players, well this trade would only further that. In theory, it sounds great. In reality, I'm not sure he really solves any of the Spurs problems, he just gives them a ridiculously athletic, talented player to add to the front line. But he's not really the type of player the Spurs need.

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:D

If the Spurs are capable and allowed by the CBA to sign him to an extension and flip him for Bosh come the offseason, I'm all for it.

Seeing as I don't think you're able to do that or it would be something the Spurs would do, I'd have no problem declining; he doesn't make them a championship team this year and he's not the type of player you want to lock yourself into with max-type money moving forward.

YES!


http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yz92cda

I don't really see how a roster shakeup is going to be good for the Spurs at this point. We know they have the talent to do well, they just aren't playing well. How does plugging x number of new players in now even get them into the playoffs? Strange how many people think it's so ludicruous for me to suggest that two guys who have been on the team for several years actually get some playing time, yet lots of people think a system Antonio McDyess can't understand is going to be figured out by just anybody whose name happens to fit in the ESPN trade machine.

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Originally Posted by DynastyBuilder

Here ya go Sarver, I just saved you $2,178,325 and RJ gets to play in his home state.
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=yjgkeyq

http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s...g?t=1264573711

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The Suns fanbase would murder Sarver if he tried to pull that shit just to save 2 million. But seriously, this is just speculation. Spurs have nothing the Suns want and I don't really see Amare as the guy that's gonna turn this team around.

On another note, I'm kinda enjoying seeing the FO in panic mode after the way they fucked this team over by standing pat in the summer of '07:

"We're the NBA champions! We don't need Scola!"

Dumbasses.

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I realize that Manu's time as a Spur will end but it's still hard to let go......:(

I don't know if this possible trade scenario would make the Spurs any better than they are now.....which isn't that great........well, I imagine this thread will go 20+ pages......:lol

Should Ginobili stay or should he go???!!! :hat

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Well, from what I've read, GINOBILLI!!! is upset at the Spurs for not re-signing him. That one line "I used to think it was like a family but I realize now it's a business" stands out.

There's a very real chance that he walks over the summer and the Spurs get nothing in return for him.

So if trading Manu now nets a player like Stouds, who actually respects TimmyD, you have to consider it.

Of course, maybe the Suns are crazy enough to take RJ? They would need a replacement Center for their small ball after all. :lol

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Originally Posted by exstatic

They can't have Manu, but if they take hometown boy Jefferson and Splitter's rights, I wouldn't vomit too much at his horrible defense.

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Ditto.

Damn.

I need to digest this.

give them jefferson and whatever else.

Tony
Hill
Manu
Duncan
Amare

Ill take my chances with that over what we got.


Amares defense really isnt that impressive, but IMO he would already improve our defense by being 610 and athletic, anything that goes against small ball count me in

Amare's defense sucks.
But I would give up anyone outside of the big 3 for him.

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Originally Posted by Blackjack

:D

If the Spurs are capable and allowed by the CBA to sign him to an extension and flip him for Bosh come the offseason, I'm all for it.

Seeing as I don't think you're able to do that or it would be something the Spurs would do, I'd have no problem declining; he doesn't make them a championship team this year and he's not the type of player you want to lock yourself into with max-type money moving forward.

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That wasn't meant to be solely directed to you or as a shot at you (I agree with you).

I doubt the Raptors do that trade. If they can't keep Bosh, my guess is he's dealt in an off season sign-and-trade for a true center, so that they can move Bragnani to his rightful position: powerless forward. Besides, there's no chance the limelight-seeking-wanting-to-play-on-a-contender Stoudemire would sign with a Raptors team with no shot at competing for a championship in the foreseeable future.

Completely agree. It's not just the money he's seeking (reportedly 3 years/$60 million), it's the fact that he'll be twenty-eight by next season and has had some major injuries/surgeries (this for a player who relies heavily on his freakish athleticism). This guy could easily decline by the time he's thirty one-thirty two and then what? The Spurs would be stuck (assuming he re-signs for 3 years, then stays after that) with a defenseless version of McDyess, only he'd be making almost quadruple as much? Forget it.

The Spurs need a defensive presence, with length (minimum 6'11''), who can guard the rim, block shots and rebound the ball. Not another player who needs the ball to be effective. This is why Camby or Haywood is ideal. They fit the description of what the Spurs need and they'd both stay out of Duncan's way offensively (Camby in particular, as he's a decent passer from the high post and can make the occasional mid-range jumper).

What I take from this article (which pleases me) is that, like it says, the Spurs realize they have to do something (and probably will), mainly on the front line, but I don't take from it at all that they're getting Stoudemire (even though that's the basis of the article). I'd be beyond shocked if that occurred.

This is just wow. Especially coming from Wojnarowski, who is more than credible.

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This is just wow. Especially coming from Wojnarowski, who is more than credible.

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agreed. If it was Sam Smith, Peter Vecsey or Hoopsworld I'd ignore it.

Now I just feel sick though.

I'd rather Ginobili for Bosh than Stoudemire.

Oh wow. Hmmm kinda crazy.

This would be a desperation move similar to what the Suns did when they traded for Shaq two years ago.

Those kinds of moves basically never work out.


Still, I think it is becoming obvious that the Spurs as built aren't going to do much.


The sad thing is that Ginobili's value as a trading chip has now exceeded his value as a player. 12-13 ppg, piss poor shooting, and the constant fear of an injury isn't going to be enough with Tony battling PF and Timmy declining. Might as well roll the dice.

Unfortunately Phoenix isn't going to take RJ's contract. They are looking for expiring contracts.. so that would be Manu plus someone like Bonner.

What's the status of his eye injury? If there is still a risk of him losing his eyesight, then the Spurs need to be cautious and take his health into consideration.

Amare isn't known for his defense. He's never been the difference maker when the Spurs faced the Suns in the post season. They need a more steady defensive force in the paint and Amare doesn't fit that role. Phoenix has never won anything with him, and I don't think his game will change just because he's wearing a different uniform. Its an interesting thought, but I'm going to have to pass. Atleast management knows they have to make a move before the deadline, and I have confidence they'll get something done.

Unless we get Shane Battier or a dominant stopper, I really dont see the point in worrying so much over a loss in defense. The Spurs have lost their edge in the defensive department and what better way to compensate with a offensive powerhouse in Amare.

Ideally, a Jefferson for Amare trade would be magical. Bogans is capable of playing a lot of time at our 3 spot, or as Pop likes, could have Manu there. We really just need anything at the moment to get this team going again.

i'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that Mahinmi, since that coming out game against NJ, hasn't gotten enough time out on the floor. in the desperate state the Spurs are in you'd think they'd find a way to use him.

And i still believe in RJ. i think he'll pull through.

http://i48.tinypic.com/33w04ma.gif

The worst part is that Amare would straight up bail once the season is over. He'd pull a Boozer on the Spurs by telling them he'd re-sign, but come summer he'll be in NJ or Miami or wherever.

The difference between that and Manu is that at least if Manu walked the Spurs would still have Hill and/or Splitter or whomever else they'd have to give up.

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Unfortunately Phoenix isn't going to take RJ's contract. They are looking for expiring contracts.. so that would be Manu plus someone like Bonner.

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Why would the Suns trade Stoudemire for an expiring if he himself has an expiring contract?

I think RJ + Tiago's drafting rights give the Suns a proven for next year and someone for the long haul. On the other hand, taking Manu this year and him not staying would not be that palatable.

Spurs can't pass up the opportunity to get Amare for Manu especially if Amare comes to terms with the Spurs for the long term.

Manu will get offered more money than the Spurs are willing to pony up this summer. Reason why I say that is because there will only be a handful of superstars available that are actually worth the max, while at least half the league will be significantly under the cap to afford the max players. Most teams will then overpay for 2nd tier players like Manu. IMO That being said Spurs have to really consider trading Manu now and getting something back in return for now and for the future.

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Why would the Suns trade Stoudemire for an expiring if he himself has an expiring contract?

I think RJ + Tiago's drafting rights give the Suns a proven for next year and someone for the long haul. On the other hand, taking Manu this year and him not staying would not be that palatable.

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Well I think they want a player to help them. But if they aren't getting a superstar, I think they want expiring contracts so that they can still be flexible in free agency.

I'm not sure RJ is appealing to anyone right now with the way he's been playing.. his contract is hard to swallow for this year and next.

It would be a tough pill for Spurs' fans to swallow, but it would be a wise business move especially if Amare agrees to an extension here.

I think phoenix might entertain taking RJ. I mean IMO he would actually be a pretty nice fit there with Nash running point..


RJ needs a snash or jkidd to be effective...

If they're reporting it, then it's not gonna happen.. Move along.

We need our fellow Suns posters to weigh in on this.

If the FO does decide to take Stoudemire, they have to have a backup plan to make the D respectable..if you aren't going to fix the frontcourt, then you HAVE to help the perimeter D..we like to talk about the lack of size, which is obvious, but our perimeter D is horrible as well, pretty much everybody other than Hill(Bogans occasionally/Hairston doesn't play)..

Still, I highly doubt this happens..I'd be shocked..

BTW, if they're actually willing to move Manu, I hope they make the pitch for Iggy/Dalembert, even though it's unlikely..

If PHX got straight expirings + picks/rights and all options are picked up for next year they'd have a total of about $46 million and 10 guys under contract.

Optomistic-high cap scenarios for next season I've seen listed at around $54 million. After cap holds for roster spots, they'd have what, $6 million base to start with for free agenst plus the MLE?

Unless they wanted to get tricky and dump Grant Hill and Barbosa, then they'd have some room.

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If PHX got straight expirings + picks/rights and all options are picked up for next year they'd have a total of about $46 million and 10 guys under contract.

Optomistic-high cap scenarios for next season I've seen listed at around $54 million. After cap holds for roster spots, they'd have what, $6 million base to start with for free agenst plus the MLE?

Unless they wanted to get tricky and dump Grant Hill and Barbosa, then they'd have some room.

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They wouldn't have the MLE if they were under the cap.

Amar'e has really regressed especially since his eye surgery. His defense is not what it was the past couple years. W/ the Spurs defensive woes, Idk if this is the idea trade.

Hmmm ... this is tough to figure out. Amare is a great scorer who could really help save Duncan from wear and tear. He could basically become the go-to scorer and allow Duncan to rest up for when it really matters. Unlike RJ, Amare is selfish enough that he won't be afraid to "get his" even if he has to step on toes.

If a trade involves RJ and keeps the Big 3 intact, I think you have to pull the trigger. The Suns would obviously want some combination of Hill, Blair and/or Splitter to get the deal done. (Though Hill doesn't make much sense since they have Dragic [who might be better already] and Barbosa. Blair and Splitter make more sense.)

The bonus of trading RJ is that the Spurs could either re-sign Amare or open up room under the salary cap to retain flexibility. That could be valuable, especially if everything goes sour and the Spurs need a major shakeup.

Trading Manu for Amare? That's a different story. Without Manu, integrating Amare on the team would be much more difficult since Manu and Amare would be the most natural two-man game. Plus I highly doubt RJ could step into Manu's role as the team's go-to swingman. If anything, RJ would find even less touches with Amare in the picture.

The only way a Manu package makes sense to me is if Manu gets hurt again or if the Spurs really think that Manu is on his final leg and won't make it through the playoffs. If either are the case, swinging for the fences by trading for Amare makes sense -- especially since the window is quickly closing.

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Well I think they want a player to help them. But if they aren't getting a superstar, I think they want expiring contracts so that they can still be flexible in free agency.

I'm not sure RJ is appealing to anyone right now with the way he's been playing.. his contract is hard to swallow for this year and next.

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Hmm.. I don't know. Manu is not lighting up the stats this year as well.. Plus they already have Barbosa to back up Jason R. I still think that the Suns will push for RJ + Bonner (Mason perhaps if they think Barbosa's wrist problem continues) along with Tiago's rights.

RJ also fits Alvin Gentry's system quite well.

Or possibly its the Manu-fan in me not wanting him to leave the Spurs.

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Hmm.. I don't know. Manu is not lighting up the stats this year as well.. Plus they already have Barbosa to back up Jason R. I still think that the Suns will push for RJ + Bonner (Mason perhaps if they think Barbosa's wrist problem continues) along with Tiago's rights.

RJ also fits Alvin Gentry's system quite well.

Or possibly its the Manu-fan in me not wanting him to leave the Spurs.

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Well hopefully they push for RJ + Bonner + Splitter... that's an easy decision for the Spurs.

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Hmm.. I don't know. Manu is not lighting up the stats this year as well.. Plus they already have Barbosa to back up Jason R. I still think that the Suns will push for RJ + Bonner (Mason perhaps if they think Barbosa's wrist problem continues) along with Tiago's rights.

RJ also fits Alvin Gentry's system quite well.

Or possibly its the Manu-fan in me not wanting him to leave the Spurs.

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Barbosa is out for 4-6 weeks after removing a cyst from his wrist. He will basically be out until March. Worst case scenario is that he is out for the rest of the season, making Manu leaving quite the possibility if the trade goes through.

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If the FO does decide to take Stoudemire, they have to have a backup plan to make the D respectable..if you aren't going to fix the frontcourt, then you HAVE to help the perimeter D..we like to talk about the lack of size, which is obvious, but our perimeter D is horrible as well, pretty much everybody other than Hill(Bogans occasionally/Hairston doesn't play)..

Still, I highly doubt this happens..I'd be shocked..

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The only significant perimeter defender that's worth playing 25 plus minutes in the Spurs rotation, and that would be available with what we have to offer would be James Posey for simple expirings. We wouldn't have to really include incentives such as a pick or picks either.


I can't think of any other player that fits both descriptions ( worthy of playing 25 plus minutes a night and being available for simple expirings).

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The only significant perimeter defender that's worth playing 25 plus minutes in the Spurs rotation, and that would be available with what we have to offer would be James Posey for simple expirings. We wouldn't have to really include incentives such as a pick or picks either.


I can't think of any other player that fits both descriptions ( worthy of playing 25 plus minutes a night and being available for simple expirings).

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I agree, but they would really have to figure something..

Who would start at the 3 anyways?..Finley pretty much becomes the only option if RJ is gone and that would be suicide..

Wojnarowski is so shamelessly full of it! This will never happen, for the same reason most people on this board know it will never happen: he doesn't address a need (in this case, that of a hustling defensive big), and he's over-priced, to boot.

what if phoenix is asking RJ+Blair for Amare? spurs fans do this?

The Suns are balking at paying Amare $17 million for 21 points and 9 rebounds.

They would probably faint looking at RJ's $15 million next year for 13 points.

I think a possible interest package from the Suns would be some thing like Manu + Hill + filler + cash...$arver always asks for cash.

The Suns have said they are looking for three things if they are going to trade Amare:

1) Expiring Contract
2) Talent
3) Picks

The Spurs:
1) Manu Ginobili
2) George Hill or Blair
3) Splitter Rights or our Number 1 pick this year - it's a late pick...as we know Sarver hates dishing out money for picks....

The Spurs are NOT going to get Amare for a Manu, Mason, Bonner, Finley, Bogans..mix

They have to send Manu and either Hill or Blair....and again...either a pick or Tiago's rights...

Is the juice worth the Squeeze?

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The Suns are balking at paying Amare $17 million for 21 points and 9 rebounds.

They would probably faint looking at RJ's $15 million next year for 13 points.

I think a possible interest package from the Suns would be some thing like Manu + Hill + filler + cash...$arver always asks for cash.

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spurs wont give up manu+hill. you can book that.

Sign Stoudamire and add yet another horrific defender to this team? Why? The Spurs certainly need an athletic big next to Duncan, but they need to shore up their incredible defensive woes too. Stoudamire probably plays the worst defense this side of Dirk. He doesn't even try. Plus he's a lazy rebounder. This is a sign of a desparate front office and I just don't see how this helps the Spurs.

I've read through the threads and no one has addressed Stoudamire's need to have the ball. And who is going to get him the ball? TP doesn't play well off pick-n-roll right as it is. Are the Spurs expecting Stoudamire to be as effective in a Spurs uniform as he is with Nash as a running mate? I think not.

If the brass still want to do this deal, it had better not include Blair, Hill or Ian. I'm still against it, but if they wanna ship out a combination of Bonner, RJ and Splitter's rights, then re-up Amare for a couple of seasons, I could live with it.

Why not trade Parker? His stock is way higher than Ginobili's given Manu's decline, and we've all seen that he isnt the type of player that we will be able to rebuild once Tim retires...he's been a big part of the problem this year. Its not even just the plantar fascitis either, dude let his shot regress back to worse than its ever been. I swear every time he shoots a jump shoot I cringe, if I remember correctly his FG% outside of the paint is like 32%.

I think Toronto or the Suns might bite on a Parker+picks/filler for Bosh or Amare.

The Raptors aren't going to do anything with Bosh until the Summer, and they certainly won't move him for Parker..they can get better offers..

Parker is also a better player than Amare, so pass..

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They wouldn't have the MLE if they were under the cap.

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my mistake, forgot all about that.

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Originally Posted by FkLA

Why not trade Parker? His stock is way higher than Ginobili's given Manu's decline, and we've all seen that he isnt the type of player that we will be able to rebuild once Tim retires...he's been a big part of the problem this year. Its not even just the plantar fascitis either, dude let his shot regress back to worse than its ever been. I swear every time he shoots a jump shoot I cringe, if I remember correctly his FG% outside of the paint is like 32%.

I think Toronto or the Suns might bite on a Parker+picks/filler for Bosh or Amare.

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parker isnt a problem.

amare would improve the defense just by making it bigger and more athletic.

anything but small ball would improve this defense. The D is never going to get back to what it was. NEVER. but with Amare he can help anchor the D a little, help on the board, and we still get very good offensive production.

i still wouldnt want to give manu away. but id listen.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

That wasn't meant to be solely directed to you or as a shot at you (I agree with you).

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I know. But seeing as I've been talking about it and just wrote a piece on it, I felt compelled to comment.:D

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Originally Posted by TD 21

I doubt the Raptors do that trade. If they can't keep Bosh, my guess is he's dealt in an off season sign-and-trade for a true center, so that they can move Bragnani to his rightful position: powerless forward. Besides, there's no chance the limelight-seeking-wanting-to-play-on-a-contender Stoudemire would sign with a Raptors team with no shot at competing for a championship in the foreseeable future.

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My comment was pretty tongue-in-cheek, but if they acquired, extended and them flipped him to Toronto (a team that has little-to-no say in what they get back with Bosh being UFA), I'd be in favor of the trade; Bosh comes to SA and the Spurs get over on Amar'e once again.:lol

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Originally Posted by TD 21

The Spurs need a defensive presence, with length (minimum 6'11''), who can guard the rim, block shots and rebound the ball. Not another player who needs the ball to be effective. This is why Camby or Haywood is ideal. They fit the description of what the Spurs need and they'd both stay out of Duncan's way offensively (Camby in particular, as he's a decent passer from the high post and can make the occasional mid-range jumper).

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They'd be two solid upgrades to the team, but I don't think Camby will be moved and the Spurs would likely have to take on Blatche's contract as well; which would really gut the team's three-point shooting.

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Originally Posted by TD 21

What I take from this article (which pleases me) is that, like it says, the Spurs realize they have to do something (and probably will), mainly on the front line, but I don't take from it at all that they're getting Stoudemire (even though that's the basis of the article). I'd be beyond shocked if that occurred.

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I agree. And I don't think we can look at any examples to the past and say they will or won't do something based off of it. This is the closest we've ever seen to panic-mode from the Spurs and it's perfectly understandable: they're investing more money than they ever had and they've got a short window to make good on the investment.

Like I just said to a friend, looks like it's going to be a fun trade deadline for once (somewhat enjoyable in it's novelty and depressing in it's reality).

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Originally Posted by SenorSpur

I've read through the threads and no one has addressed Stoudamire's need to have the ball. And who is going to get him the ball? TP doesn't play well off pick-n-roll right as it is. Are the Spurs expecting Stoudamire to be as effective in a Spurs uniform as he is with Nash as a running mate? I think not.

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Manu-to-STAT duo would work, especially through P&R just like Blair, but that's only assuming Manu's not part of the deal.

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Originally Posted by FkLA

Why not trade Parker? His stock is way higher than Ginobili's given Manu's decline, and we've all seen that he isnt the type of player that we will be able to rebuild once Tim retires...he's been a big part of the problem this year. Its not even just the plantar fascitis either, dude let his shot regress back to worse than its ever been. I swear every time he shoots a jump shoot I cringe, if I remember correctly his FG% outside of the paint is like 32%.

I think Toronto or the Suns might bite on a Parker+picks/filler for Bosh or Amare.

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Why would the Suns take Parker when they have Nash and Dragic? And no they wouldn't include Dragic.

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Originally Posted by SenorSpur

Sign Stoudamire and add yet another horrific defender to this team? Why? The Spurs certainly need an athletic big next to Duncan, but they need to shore up their incredible defensive woes too..

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Maybe they have conceded that the D isn't going to get better.. so they might as well try to outscore people :)

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Originally Posted by FkLA

Why not trade Parker? His stock is way higher than Ginobili's given Manu's decline, and we've all seen that he isnt the type of player that we will be able to rebuild once Tim retires

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No way you trade Parker for Amare. TP, when healthy, is better now and has a brighter future.

And while TP isn't a franchise player like TD, he's closer to being a franchise player than Amare is.

well if the Suns are worried about Grant Hill's recent heel injury, they might want someone that has proven to stay healthy his career (Jefferson), a risk you get with Manu.

The Suns already have a lot of PG/SG type players and PF/C but only a couple of true SF.

Like others have said if the Suns asked for Jefferson + Bonner, I would go for it

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Originally Posted by FkLA

Why not trade Parker? His stock is way higher than Ginobili's given Manu's decline, and we've all seen that he isnt the type of player that we will be able to rebuild once Tim retires...he's been a big part of the problem this year. Its not even just the plantar fascitis either, dude let his shot regress back to worse than its ever been. I swear every time he shoots a jump shoot I cringe, if I remember correctly his FG% outside of the paint is like 32%.

I think Toronto or the Suns might bite on a Parker+picks/filler for Bosh or Amare.

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Considering that half of shooting is in the legs, I don't think it makes any sense to maintain that Parker's steep decline in production this season can be taken independently from his injuries. People don't just choose to start sucking, y'know?

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Well hopefully they push for RJ + Bonner + Splitter... that's an easy decision for the Spurs.

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We can give Kerr a Jerry West medal if this goes through.

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Originally Posted by DesignatedT

parker isnt a problem.

amare would improve the defense just by making it bigger and more athletic.

anything but small ball would improve this defense. The D is never going to get back to what it was. NEVER. but with Amare he can help anchor the D a little, help on the board, and we still get very good offensive production.

i still wouldnt want to give manu away. but id listen.

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Are you serious? Parker has been a BIG part of the problem. Like I said he let his shot regress to as bad as its ever been after the improvement last year. His defend is atrocious. He doesnt involve teammates. He's been horrible.

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Originally Posted by Shastafarian

Why would the Suns take Parker when they have Nash and Dragic? And no they wouldn't include Dragic.

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Nash is what 35? Its only a matter of time before age catches up to him. Dragic, I know is apparently the heir apparent but there's no guarantee that he'll fill the void respectably. Either way Im just throwing the fact out that Parker is the one we should be looking to move. He has been a big part of the problem and is the player aside from Duncan that will get us the best return in a trade.

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Originally Posted by FkLA

Why not trade Parker? His stock is way higher than Ginobili's given Manu's decline, and we've all seen that he isnt the type of player that we will be able to rebuild once Tim retires...he's been a big part of the problem this year. Its not even just the plantar fascitis either, dude let his shot regress back to worse than its ever been. I swear every time he shoots a jump shoot I cringe, if I remember correctly his FG% outside of the paint is like 32%.

I think Toronto or the Suns might bite on a Parker+picks/filler for Bosh or Amare.

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Suns have Nash AND Dragic. What use would they have for Parker?

Edit: Whoops...Shasta beat me to it.

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=980621 -RealGM's take on this article

Trading Parker to the Suns wouldn't make sense for the Suns or the Spurs. And yes, Tony has been part of the problem this year but to think his decline is because of anything other than injury is a bit odd.

I'd rather have Brendon Haywood.

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Originally Posted by El_Mago

The Suns have said they are looking for three things if they are going to trade Amare:

1) Expiring Contract
2) Talent
3) Picks

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1) should more accurately read,

1) Salary cap relief.

Both are not the same. The Suns already have their best expiring contract in Amar'e "Stat"/"Sun Tzu".

They want someone who can help in getting 1) and also contribute to the Gentry offense in the future.

I am not sure about either Manu or RJ being best bets for the same; but Manu is definitely not a slam dunk choice for the Suns.

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Originally Posted by DesignatedT

spurs wont give up manu+hill. you can book that.

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Spurs will have to give up some young talent with Manu to make this work.

I think Blair's lack of ACL's probably doesn't fit the Suns run and gun.

That leaves Hill and Splitter...both of whom would do well in the Suns style and both are cheap.

RJ's $15 million next year pretty much kills any team looking at the 2010 free agents so he's very difficult to move.

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Originally Posted by Chieflion

http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=980621 -RealGM's take on this article

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I love how the Suns fans are insisting Blair is in the mix. :rolleyes