That would make a helluva lot more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
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That would make a helluva lot more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
Ship Jefferson out ASAP
anyone thats willing to take him
I don't know what would be stranger, Manu in a Suns jersey or Amare in a Spurs jersey.
Crazy.
But if I'm the Spurs, I do this deal. Manu's better days are far behind him. And it sounds like he's planning on being a free agent and checking out other teams anyways. He's 32 and has a ton of miles on his legs at this point. Maybe it's just time to part ways with him ... as difficult as that may be emotionally for fans.
Amare, while a knucklehead, is still one of the better big men in the league. Offensively, he's good for 20 on any given night, and is quite capable of making it 30. While not a terrific rebounder for his size, the 8 or 9 that he gets you are more than acceptable. He's carrying a 55% field goal average and is also a good FT shooter.
It might not be the ideal or perfect trade. But you can't argue that Timmy and Amare would be a hell of a tough tandem to stop. Amare might not bring half of the intangibles that Manu has brought over the years but he's a more dominant player and one that would create tougher matchups for opponents.
This would mean that at least one of RJ, RMJ, Bogans or Hill would need to step up. And Parker too. Maybe this will be a wake up call for him to get it together. His numbers are down across every major statistical category this year.
Clearly things aren't perfect with the Spurs right now. Maybe the old way of doing things isn't going to work anymore as players get older. And Amare might not make things any better, but what the hell, give it a shot. If it doesn't work out, he's gone after this year. If it does, maybe you get him to resign for a 3-5 year deal. If nothing else, at least the organization is looking into possibilities, not just sitting on their asses hoping for the best.
My biggest question, is why would the Suns do this deal. Splitter might never come the NBA, and draft pick they receive wouldn't be a lottery pick and Manu would be gone after this season. I'd honestly think they'd be able to get a better deal if they tried.
Alot of teams my be hesitant to even go after Amare since most want to wait and see if they have a chance for wade ,lebron,or bosh. This may help the spurs cause who is to say that Amare waives that final year worth 17 mil.
IMO RJ for Amare would benefit both teams
Now that makes more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by jiggy_55
I don't know for you but, I, as a fan, and even if I think Manu has been quite bad this year, wouldn't trade Manu. I consider him as nearly untradable and that he should end his career in SA.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursfanfromafar
Wojnarowski is a damn serious source. He isn't in the Hoopsworld category, so this rumor could be legit. If Spurs are considering trading Manu for Stoudamire (who isn't that great), there is a huge gap between how I value Manu and how the FO values it.
I would even do this deal: Amare+hill for RJ+Dyess+Tiago
Unfortunately, if this doesn't go down now, we'll have the crybabies (you know who you are) screaming how we should have gotten Amare for Manu when we had a chance (when we don't really know jackshit about the details).
To me that is kind of putting Manu in a roll player position. Spurs can't win with that they need a big 3. So if Manu has regressed into that kind of roll we need a player step into a big 3 roll. I guess that was the reason why the RJ trade but we all know how well that has gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
and somehow they will ultimately blame international play for this deal not going downQuote:
Originally Posted by ElNono
1. Trade Manu, Bonner, and Splitter's rights for Amare.
2. Re-sign Amare at a reasonable price this summer (or use him in a sign-and trade for another big man)
3. Try and re-sign Manu with the MLE this summer. As good as Manu has been, no other team is going to offer him more than the MLE this summer. Also, by trading Splitter's rights, we wouldn't have to spend the MLE on him.
Well, that was exactly the reason, IMO. The brighter side is that even if Manu is not shooting well and Tony is hobbled, we're a scoring machine by all standards. We just can't get over the hump of losing a defensive monster in Bowen.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chomag
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And I agree with you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bruno
Indeed. AW is a legit writer. But please re-read him. He makes it clear that the Spurs are trying to get Amar'e from the Suns, but he speculates on whether they would trade Manu + Hill for the same. Nowhere does he suggest that Manu + Hill is the offer that the Spurs are considering. So, I don't think that the FO is trading Manu for sure or even considering the same, from AW's piece.Quote:
Wojnarowski is a damn serious source. He isn't in the Hoopsworld category, so this rumor could be legit. If Spurs are considering trading Manu for Stoudamire (who isn't that great), there is a huge gap between how I value Manu and how the FO values it.
There's no way they take RJ, Manu is only piece that works + filler.Quote:
Originally Posted by Spursfanfromafar
Amare had massive knee surgery and tends to miss the last half of seasons with injuries. He's a suspect defender and I don't know that he complements Tim. Too risky at this point in the season with the Spurs already behind schedule and the need to win now.
The Spurs need some defense and if they want to partner in this move to bring in a few defenders, then I'm all for it.
An Amare acquisition is an offseason consideration, not a midseason decision. If he's not good enough to vault the Suns into contention with Steve Nash at the helm, then he won't do much for San Antonio except keep us in mediocrity.
No manu and no gh3! Fuck that trade!
take Nash from Amare and he will not look the same at all. this trade is not happening. book it.
Manu had surgery and tends to miss the last half of the season with injuries.Quote:
Originally Posted by cd98
Who's to say Amare won't be a better defender with the Spurs and along side Duncan?Quote:
The Spurs need some defense and if they want to partner in this move to bring in a few defenders, then I'm all for it.
Couldn't you say the same for Manu along side Duncan and Parker? We're really not contenders with Manu now and if we're not contenders with Amare then we lose nothing but we have a lot to gain with Amare if it works out.Quote:
If he's not good enough to vault the Suns into contention with Steve Nash at the helm, then he won't do much for San Antonio except keep us in mediocrity.
Amare doesnt play defense cause he plays in a system where defense is not enforced. Amare still has potential to play good defense. He has great timing for blocks, he just needs patience and intensity. Timmy can definitely help him out there.
He looked like a monster back when he played with crazy ass Marbury.Quote:
Originally Posted by hater
Since then he's added a nice jumper.
Jefferson has "potential" too. We see how well that is working out.Quote:
Originally Posted by xtremesteven33
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Originally Posted by benefactor
Jefferson is the softest player in the NBA also...
I just cant imagine Manu aside with steve Nash, i dont know feels like manu gonna prove us wrong and become an AllStar next year.
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