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The Suns are balking at paying Amare $17 million for 21 points and 9 rebounds.
They would probably faint looking at RJ's $15 million next year for 13 points.
I think a possible interest package from the Suns would be some thing like Manu + Hill + filler + cash...$arver always asks for cash.
The Suns have said they are looking for three things if they are going to trade Amare:
1) Expiring Contract
2) Talent
3) Picks
The Spurs:
1) Manu Ginobili
2) George Hill or Blair
3) Splitter Rights or our Number 1 pick this year - it's a late pick...as we know Sarver hates dishing out money for picks....
The Spurs are NOT going to get Amare for a Manu, Mason, Bonner, Finley, Bogans..mix
They have to send Manu and either Hill or Blair....and again...either a pick or Tiago's rights...
Is the juice worth the Squeeze?
spurs wont give up manu+hill. you can book that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Allanon
Sign Stoudamire and add yet another horrific defender to this team? Why? The Spurs certainly need an athletic big next to Duncan, but they need to shore up their incredible defensive woes too. Stoudamire probably plays the worst defense this side of Dirk. He doesn't even try. Plus he's a lazy rebounder. This is a sign of a desparate front office and I just don't see how this helps the Spurs.
I've read through the threads and no one has addressed Stoudamire's need to have the ball. And who is going to get him the ball? TP doesn't play well off pick-n-roll right as it is. Are the Spurs expecting Stoudamire to be as effective in a Spurs uniform as he is with Nash as a running mate? I think not.
If the brass still want to do this deal, it had better not include Blair, Hill or Ian. I'm still against it, but if they wanna ship out a combination of Bonner, RJ and Splitter's rights, then re-up Amare for a couple of seasons, I could live with it.
Why not trade Parker? His stock is way higher than Ginobili's given Manu's decline, and we've all seen that he isnt the type of player that we will be able to rebuild once Tim retires...he's been a big part of the problem this year. Its not even just the plantar fascitis either, dude let his shot regress back to worse than its ever been. I swear every time he shoots a jump shoot I cringe, if I remember correctly his FG% outside of the paint is like 32%.
I think Toronto or the Suns might bite on a Parker+picks/filler for Bosh or Amare.
The Raptors aren't going to do anything with Bosh until the Summer, and they certainly won't move him for Parker..they can get better offers..
Parker is also a better player than Amare, so pass..
my mistake, forgot all about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
parker isnt a problem.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
amare would improve the defense just by making it bigger and more athletic.
anything but small ball would improve this defense. The D is never going to get back to what it was. NEVER. but with Amare he can help anchor the D a little, help on the board, and we still get very good offensive production.
i still wouldnt want to give manu away. but id listen.
I know. But seeing as I've been talking about it and just wrote a piece on it, I felt compelled to comment.:DQuote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
My comment was pretty tongue-in-cheek, but if they acquired, extended and them flipped him to Toronto (a team that has little-to-no say in what they get back with Bosh being UFA), I'd be in favor of the trade; Bosh comes to SA and the Spurs get over on Amar'e once again.:lolQuote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
They'd be two solid upgrades to the team, but I don't think Camby will be moved and the Spurs would likely have to take on Blatche's contract as well; which would really gut the team's three-point shooting.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
I agree. And I don't think we can look at any examples to the past and say they will or won't do something based off of it. This is the closest we've ever seen to panic-mode from the Spurs and it's perfectly understandable: they're investing more money than they ever had and they've got a short window to make good on the investment.Quote:
Originally Posted by TD 21
Like I just said to a friend, looks like it's going to be a fun trade deadline for once (somewhat enjoyable in it's novelty and depressing in it's reality).
Manu-to-STAT duo would work, especially through P&R just like Blair, but that's only assuming Manu's not part of the deal.Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
Why would the Suns take Parker when they have Nash and Dragic? And no they wouldn't include Dragic.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Maybe they have conceded that the D isn't going to get better.. so they might as well try to outscore people :)Quote:
Originally Posted by SenorSpur
No way you trade Parker for Amare. TP, when healthy, is better now and has a brighter future.Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
And while TP isn't a franchise player like TD, he's closer to being a franchise player than Amare is.
well if the Suns are worried about Grant Hill's recent heel injury, they might want someone that has proven to stay healthy his career (Jefferson), a risk you get with Manu.
The Suns already have a lot of PG/SG type players and PF/C but only a couple of true SF.
Like others have said if the Suns asked for Jefferson + Bonner, I would go for it
Considering that half of shooting is in the legs, I don't think it makes any sense to maintain that Parker's steep decline in production this season can be taken independently from his injuries. People don't just choose to start sucking, y'know?Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
We can give Kerr a Jerry West medal if this goes through.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kori Ellis
Are you serious? Parker has been a BIG part of the problem. Like I said he let his shot regress to as bad as its ever been after the improvement last year. His defend is atrocious. He doesnt involve teammates. He's been horrible.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
Nash is what 35? Its only a matter of time before age catches up to him. Dragic, I know is apparently the heir apparent but there's no guarantee that he'll fill the void respectably. Either way Im just throwing the fact out that Parker is the one we should be looking to move. He has been a big part of the problem and is the player aside from Duncan that will get us the best return in a trade.Quote:
Originally Posted by Shastafarian
Suns have Nash AND Dragic. What use would they have for Parker?Quote:
Originally Posted by FkLA
Edit: Whoops...Shasta beat me to it.
http://www.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=980621 -RealGM's take on this article
Trading Parker to the Suns wouldn't make sense for the Suns or the Spurs. And yes, Tony has been part of the problem this year but to think his decline is because of anything other than injury is a bit odd.
I'd rather have Brendon Haywood.
1) should more accurately read,Quote:
Originally Posted by El_Mago
1) Salary cap relief.
Both are not the same. The Suns already have their best expiring contract in Amar'e "Stat"/"Sun Tzu".
They want someone who can help in getting 1) and also contribute to the Gentry offense in the future.
I am not sure about either Manu or RJ being best bets for the same; but Manu is definitely not a slam dunk choice for the Suns.
Spurs will have to give up some young talent with Manu to make this work.Quote:
Originally Posted by DesignatedT
I think Blair's lack of ACL's probably doesn't fit the Suns run and gun.
That leaves Hill and Splitter...both of whom would do well in the Suns style and both are cheap.
RJ's $15 million next year pretty much kills any team looking at the 2010 free agents so he's very difficult to move.
I love how the Suns fans are insisting Blair is in the mix. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by Chieflion