Wojnarowski: Spurs consider bidding for Stoudemire

Stupid idea. Most of Amare's points come from an elite passer in Steve Nash. Without a guy who would give him easy looks, how is he going to score? Also, he's just going to take touches off Duncan. Stupid idea actually. I'd rather have them go out and get Haywood or Camby.

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Originally Posted by Allanon

The Suns are balking at paying Amare $17 million for 21 points and 9 rebounds.

They would probably faint looking at RJ's $15 million next year for 13 points.

I think a possible interest package from the Suns would be some thing like Manu + Hill + filler + cash...$arver always asks for cash.

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RJ went from 20 points last season to 13 points this season. The Suns should be aware that Jefferson is underachieving and not fitting in with the Spurs. They may believe that RJ could thrive in their style of game.

It really would be funny if Kerr was a Spurs mole all along..

Pop and Timmy should just take him out to dinner, give him a wink about taking RJ's contract, sell him on the Arizona connection, and dead it..

It would also be even funnier to see the reactions of Suns fans..just looking at RealGM, they're already panicking about imagining Amare on the Spurs..

RJ BLAIR SPLITTER for amare? yes or no? who would do it

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Originally Posted by Libri

RJ went from 20 points last season to 13 points this season. The Suns should be aware that Jefferson is underachieving and not fitting in with the Spurs. They may believe that RJ could thrive in their style of game.

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Exactly.

Channing Frye went from 4.2 pts + trash (10.0 PER) in Nate McMillan's immacu'nate' offense to 12 pts/ 44% 3pt/ 14.8 PER) in Gentry's SSOL-II.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Hmmm ... this is tough to figure out. Amare is a great scorer who could really help save Duncan from wear and tear. He could basically become the go-to scorer and allow Duncan to rest up for when it really matters. Unlike RJ, Amare is selfish enough that he won't be afraid to "get his" even if he has to step on toes.

If a trade involves RJ and keeps the Big 3 intact, I think you have to pull the trigger. The Suns would obviously want some combination of Hill, Blair and/or Splitter to get the deal done. (Though Hill doesn't make much sense since they have Dragic [who might be better already] and Barbosa. Blair and Splitter make more sense.)

The bonus of trading RJ is that the Spurs could either re-sign Amare or open up room under the salary cap to retain flexibility. That could be valuable, especially if everything goes sour and the Spurs need a major shakeup.

Trading Manu for Amare? That's a different story. Without Manu, integrating Amare on the team would be much more difficult since Manu and Amare would be the most natural two-man game. Plus I highly doubt RJ could step into Manu's role as the team's go-to swingman. If anything, RJ would find even less touches with Amare in the picture.

The only way a Manu package makes sense to me is if Manu gets hurt again or if the Spurs really think that Manu is on his final leg and won't make it through the playoffs. If either are the case, swinging for the fences by trading for Amare makes sense -- especially since the window is quickly closing.

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Solid breakdown.:tu

Yeah, my tune changes if it's RJ that's involved. And, as much as it makes sense for the Spurs, putting RJ in that system, in his hometown, wouldn't be as outlandish as it first seems; his game would definitely thrive playing alongside Nash and serve to benefit the team, while also giving them an out with his expiring contract after next year.

And if they can get him without giving up any of the Big 3 or Hill, I think you've got to take your chances; besides being a potential star, he's their only perimeter defender with a good enough game to warrant significant minutes. You add someone like Amar'e to the mix and you're going to have to acquire and/or start playing your best defenders on the wing (there's some dude on the Toro's that comes to mind).

While I wouldn't want the Spurs locked into a max-type deal with Amar'e, it's hard not to see how well he and Manu would mesh and how he'd ease the scoring burden of the Big 3 in the short-term (I do love players that get to the line and can rack up fouls); it'd be nice if they could give it a go this year and enter the Bosh sweepstakes next.

This is just ridiculous.. :downspin:

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Originally Posted by admiralsnackbar

Considering that half of shooting is in the legs, I don't think it makes any sense to maintain that Parker's steep decline in production this season can be taken independently from his injuries. People don't just choose to start sucking, y'know?

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Come on, we've all seen the games...it isnt about him not having his legs under him. Everything about his shot just looks bad, his form and everything. The shots arent even close most of the time. I know Im not the only one that cringes when he shoots a jump shot, dude has been shooting 30% on FGs outside the paint. Horrible.

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Originally Posted by timvp

No way you trade Parker for Amare. TP, when healthy, is better now and has a brighter future.

And while TP isn't a franchise player like TD, he's closer to being a franchise player than Amare is.

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I agree that Amare isnt a franchise player but honestly neither is Parker, not even close actually. Im morso talking about getting Amare/Bosh to win now rather than to build around them once TD leaves.

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Originally Posted by Kori Ellis

Trading Parker to the Suns wouldn't make sense for the Suns or the Spurs. And yes, Tony has been part of the problem this year but to think his decline is because of anything other than injury is a bit odd.

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To think that it is injuries and nothing but would be naive. There are other ways to contribute if he doesnt have his explosiveness, there are other aspects of the game in which he can be effective. He hasnt done that. Manu has gone through the same thing this season and has adjusted his game and contributed in other ways.

Why is everybody yelling!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Libri

RJ went from 20 points last season to 13 points this season. The Suns should be aware that Jefferson is underachieving and not fitting in with the Spurs. They may believe that RJ could thrive in their style of game.

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Even if you consider his old 20 points, his guaranteed $15 million takes the Suns out of the picture for any of the big 2010 agents.

So do you take a chance at RJ going back to 20 ppg or you take an expiring like Manu, see how he does before you decide and still have a chance to pick up a Chris Bosh?

And you gained a young guard in Hill or a promising big man in Splitter.

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Originally Posted by DesignatedT

RJ BLAIR SPLITTER for amare? yes or no? who would do it

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I think the best case scenario is RJ and Splitter. Splitter is not guaranteed to come and if Amare walks... then were left with nothing. I think we need to keep either Blair or Splitter... at this point I choose Blair cause we actually have him signed for 2+ seasons where as Tiago may never come.

Can't see the Spurs with a max-type player like Amare and RJ together--way too
much money for Holt. RJ would have to be a part of the deal.

BTW, how much would the Spurs be under the cap for this summer
if Amare signs somewhere else?

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Originally Posted by cdcast

Can't see the Spurs with a max-type player like Amare and RJ together--way too
much money for Holt. RJ would have to be a part of the deal.

BTW, how much would the Spurs be under the cap for this summer
if Amare signs somewhere else?

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Without getting rid of RJ as part of the deal, the Spurs won't have much (if any cap room) since they're already sitting close to the cap without a Manu re-signing.

Due to RJ's contract next year (or Tony's or Tim's), the Spurs don't have many choices outside of re-signing Manu with his Bird rights or trying to upgrade through trading him.

If the Spurs don't trade or re-sign Manu and he just leaves, the Spurs are really screwed for the 2010/2011 season (although RJ then becomes an expiring).

do it for RJ and whoever, not for Manu IMO.

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Originally Posted by Allanon

Well, from what I've read, GINOBILLI!!! is upset at the Spurs for not re-signing him. That one line "I used to think it was like a family but I realize now it's a business" stands out.

There's a very real chance that he walks over the summer and the Spurs get nothing in return for him.

So if trading Manu now nets a player like Stouds, who actually respects TimmyD, you have to consider it.

Of course, maybe the Suns are crazy enough to take RJ? They would need a replacement Center for their small ball after all. :lol

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completely agree

A'Ma'Re'e'ee would complete the all-offense-No-Defense team Pop has been striving to attain for the last 2-3 years.

ugh don't do this Spurs! There will be no WCF meeting with the Nuggets if the Spurs do this. Amare is the epitomy of everything that the Spurs are against

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Originally Posted by NuGGeTs-FaN

ugh don't do this Spurs! There will be no WCF meeting with the Nuggets if the Spurs do this. Amare is the epitomy of everything that the Spurs are against

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The way it's lookin, they may just meet in the 1st round...

First, it's a damn great news that Spurs FO is still looking at making a major move. Spurs could be better than what they are with more chemistry and health but it's not enough to put them back in the true contender category. A trade will be needed and it's great that Spurs FO hasn't given up on the idea to improve the team.

Now, I don't like the idea of a trade for Stoudamire because of his lack of commitment to play defense. If he could change that, he woudl be an awesome player to pair with Duncan. Sadly, I doubt that playing more defense is one of his priority.

Spurs also have to decide what to do with Ginobili now because it will be too late after the trade deadline. It will really sucks if Ginobili left the team as a FA this summer because Spurs won't have a plan B. There are only 2 good options with Manu:
- Trading him before the trade deadline.
- Keeping him and re-signing him until 2012 or 2013.
Manu has been quite bad this year and his interview show that he likely isn't ready to sign for less money to stay in SA. I still think Spurs keeping Manu is by far the most likely solution but a trade isn't a that crazy option.

Could they technically cut Manu and let him become a free agent?

Why would the Suns do this? I'll tell you why, just to piss the Lakers off. Amare and Duncan with Parker, Manu and McDyess would be good enough to give the Lakers a potential nightmare. I know they are somewhat rivals, but to trade Amare to the Spurs would be a classy move to a player that has been with their team for many years. Ultimately superstar players can have a say in where they land, Amare probably wouldn't mind playing with Tim. Will the Suns do it, I don't know, something tells me probably not, but the Spurs front office clearly sees they have to make a move. RJ, Splitter would do it.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

First, it's a damn great news that Spurs FO is still looking at making a major move. Spurs could be better than what they are with more chemistry and health but it's not enough to put them back in the true contender category. A trade will be needed and it's great that Spurs FO hasn't given up on the idea to improve the team.

Now, I don't like the idea of a trade for Stoudamire because of his lack of commitment to play defense. If he could change that, he woudl be an awesome player to pair with Duncan. Sadly, I doubt that playing more defense is one of his priority.

Spurs also have to decide what to do with Ginobili now because it will be too late after the trade deadline. It will really sucks if Ginobili left the team as a FA this summer because Spurs won't have a plan B. There are only 2 good options with Manu:
- Trading him before the trade deadline.
- Keeping him and re-signing him until 2012 or 2013.
Manu has been quite bad this year and his interview show that he likely isn't ready to sign for less money to stay in SA. I still think Spurs keeping Manu is by far the most likely solution but a trade isn't a that crazy option.

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are you smoking crack? manu is one of only 3-4 players out there who has been playing with pure heart and relentless drive

If we can get him with RJ+Dyess and some sweeteners then I'm ok with that. Otherwise I will be pissed because that will involve Manu.

Bruno i always read your posts carefully cuz they make sense most of the time, but if you think manu has been playing horribly this season you are on some gooooooood shit :toast

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Originally Posted by NuGGeTs-FaN

ugh don't do this Spurs! There will be no WCF meeting with the Nuggets if the Spurs do this. Amare is the epitomy of everything that the Spurs are against

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No way the Spurs and Nuggets would meet, we simply suck this year. I think I just have to cheer on the Nuggets when you guys face LA in WCF

I'd trade Jefferson for Amare but only because it gets the Spurs out of Jefferson's final year (assuming Amare opts out). In fact if the Spurs can get anything for Jefferson they should probably do it. What a fiasco that has been.

I wouldn't trade Manu or Hill, though. Manu has been slower after the injuries, but he still plays harder than everyone except Duncan. I couldn't stand trading him for a soft, no defense player like Amare. Hill is still developing and will be a good player in the future; Spurs would regret trading him a year or two from now (especially to a conference rival like Phoenix).