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Originally Posted by ivanfromwestwood
Sorry, but you are a retard.Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanfromwestwood
Manu was maybe top 2 or 3 SG in the NBA in the 2008 regular season. Even though he got hurt at the start of the playoffs he still had big games until the LA series were he just wasn't able to perform.
And just to add there is no one this summer that the Spurs could get that would be better than Manu. The Spurs simply don't have the cap room to sign anyone that would be better than Manu. Someone would have to take a Ron Artest type contract and that would also leave no money for Splitter.
Manu is playing better and he will be a lot better. He is getting into form.
you're the fucking retard. quit sucking his cawk. in case you havent noticed, manu has never played a full season due to injuries. i dont expect anything less in the future. he was injured coming to the spurs with a bad ankle in 2002 WC's and has ankle problems ever since. i love manu but that wont make me turn a blind eye to the fact that he is not the manu of old. now he is just the old manu!Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
Just becuse Manu is not shooting well it doesn't mean he is not helping the team, just by him on the court makes the team better and makes the team run smoother.Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanfromwestwood
He is not taking too many shoots because he's making the extra pass so the new guys in the team can get their confidence and have a feel how he plays and be ready for him.
Who is your replacement if the Spurs let Manu walk for nothing?Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanfromwestwood
Let's just say the MLE is going to Splitter like rumored who are you going to sign for the vet minimum to replace Manu with?. Spurs don't have the cap space to sign a Manu caliber player.
You want Keith Bogans starting and then having a worse player sub in for Bogans because that is what we might get for vet minimum money.
malik hairston. maybe nando de colo, if he signs for the vet min, im all for itQuote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
Neither of those players are better than Manu. So what is the point of letting Manu walk then?Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanfromwestwood
Do you want to start rebuilding? Is that what you are saying?
yes but only at his position. what are we to do? give him a nice contract and watch him grow older and more injury prone. he is past his prime and you know it. he will continue to decline. btw, there will never be a replacement for manu but some young legs and someone with something to prove will be better than a broken down manu.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
You do a good job of pointing out what you feel to be his shortcomings, but you do a "turrible" job of giving us a replacement to talk about it. AS it stands, neither of the 2 players you pointed out have shown that they can even approach the levels Manu is giving today. And they have no shot of giving the Spurs Manu version 03 to 07 in the next 2 seasons, so where do you go? Does the team as a whole waste what's left on Tim's career developing "your" young players or do you take the approach that the Big 3 is still relevant even though with age and injuries they're not as dominant?Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanfromwestwood
Well first the Spurs probably won't offer him a huge amount of money and second if the Spurs think that is the case they should be looking to trade him this season so they can get a player back. Letting him go for nothing is not a smart move at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanfromwestwood
I should also point out that neither of those two players are better than the current Manu, in fact they are a pretty big drop off.
look guys i love manu as much as the next guy but at what point do we part ways? like i said if its a small contract, great and if we could get a good player for him, even better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
ninja edit because i was clueless as to what i was talking about. sorry ST
What exactly are you looking to do with the team? When you have Tim Duncan you go for Championships, not anything else.Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanfromwestwood
adding splitter, and maybe a shooter like joe johnson would be my solution to next year with a little bit of hairston. who says the spurs cant be a player in the 2010 free agency?Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
just because we have ~20 mil in expirings doesnt mean we get to spend ~20 mil in the offseason. if we let everyone walk, we only have the MLE to work with (bird rights of our players excluded).Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanfromwestwood
the cba.Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanfromwestwood
oh i see. well then pardon me as i shut the fuck up. seems im a bit uneducated as to how player salaries work.:bangQuote:
Originally Posted by ss1986v2
If we had 20 Million to spend then we'd be looking at Chris Bosh ;).Quote:
Originally Posted by ivanfromwestwood
The MLE I think can only be used when you are over the salary cap. With us mentioning that I thought you were aware of that.
Agree, except the emboldened bit. Definitely an ill-informed series of posts by ivanfromwherever. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
I think it's time we accept his older body as a physical limit to what he can do and lower our expectations of Manu's ceiling. Unless he radically improves his jumper and floater, or becomes a post-up guard, he'll never again be the slashing scorer he was because his legs are half gone. He needs to do a Jason Kidd and re-tool his game to his new physical limitations, and that means pull-ups, floaters, posting up, and improving his 3-ball (which he is very capable of doing - we've seen it before).
I think we should offer him a 15mil/2 yr with player option for a 3rd (only partially guaranteed like the Dice contract) and hope he takes it. I'd even go a little higher if he asked for it because of his marketing value to the franchise in a largely hispanic market, and because like DRob, he deserves it and I want to see him go out as a Spur. 16mil/2 yr ought to get it done. And then that adds to Tim's expiring in 2012 to go shopping under the new CBA when players will be cheaper.
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Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
Well, that's what you get when you talk out your arse with very little evidence or understanding of what the fuck you are talking about to back it up! Don't get angry at me, check yo self! :lmaoQuote:
Originally Posted by ivanfromwestwood
That has to sound awesome with an Aussie accent. :lolQuote:
Originally Posted by RuffnReadyOzStyle
:lol @ the people who think that Manu being better than Bonner wins the argument
sadly that is the best you can hope for now though, the days that Manu helps the Spurs more than Bonner are great days for Manu and the CoM
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Originally Posted by vander
Manu will get his shooting back... no doubt about it. The question is where are the haters like you, ducks and rascal going to be when he does.
We won the game. Manu played well despite his shooting. You just have an axe to grind...