Matt Bonner

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Originally Posted by hater

so in the meantime let him shoot us straight out of the playoffs????

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Everyone can miss a few shots in a game. The sample size is way too small considering Bonner's past as one of the L's best 3pt shooters.

crofl you dumbasses. Bonner just got back from a broken hand and getting his game rhythm back. if you dont think pop told bonner to shoot every open 3 he got you are retarded. that is how you get a player re acclimated after injury.

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Originally Posted by z0sa

Everyone can miss a few shots in a game. The sample size is way too small considering Bonner's past as one of the L's best 3pt shooters.

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Bonner has not made an NBA 3 pointer since 2009

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Originally Posted by z0sa

The season doesn't start after the All-Star Break. Players don't get paid for half a season plus playoffs. And Dyess has a month or more off last season which skews just how rested he would usually have been.

Besides, I'm curious where you get the idea that I said he can't show up or isn't a second half player.



let's.



nba.com and then click players.



I disagree.




So is RJ. Where's your sympathy for him?



His per minute averages are down as well. And RJ is playing a good bit less minutes as well and taking quite a few less shots. I guess the same logic you use for Dyess somehow isn't logical for RJ.



Pop could easily play him 30 minutes a game. He has chosen small ball much more often over Dyess - should tell you something. That's not Dyess' fault totally, but we can only judge him on what he's done in his allotted time.



You still haven't defined that term. I guess you don't know much about what actually constitutes one.

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I think the way you cut and pasted 50 different quotes pretty much makes up the defenition of the term.

And your blaming Dice for Pop playing small ball now too? Figures. :rolleyes

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Originally Posted by Mad Bonner

You frickin' bastards! I broken my fuggin' hand you bastards. I should go and stomp on your hands with my size 17 New Balances you assholes!

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:rollin:lmao:rollin

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Originally Posted by thispego

that is how you get a player re acclimated after injury.

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by losing a 29 point lead?

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Originally Posted by thispego

crofl you dumbasses. Bonner just got back from a broken hand and getting his game rhythm back. if you dont think pop told bonner to shoot every open 3 he got you are retarded. that is how you get a player re acclimated after injury.

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Yeah, it's honestly not a hard concept.

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Originally Posted by TJastal

I think the way you cut and pasted 50 different quotes pretty much makes up the defenition of the term.

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And I think having the nickname "TJastal" fits the definition. Spastic little creeps these days.

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And your blaming Dice for Pop playing small ball now too? Figures. :rolleyes

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Originally Posted by z0sa explaining how it's not all Dyess' fault

That's not Dyess' fault totally, but we can only judge him on what he's done in his allotted time.

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However, I do think Dyess' fouling troubles and inconsistent play have definitely played a factor in Pop going small too often. Pop didn't even leave Dyess in against the Bulls when we needed a stop and rebound and Dyess had been playing well - that was what, 2 games ago?

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Originally Posted by hater

Bonner has not made an NBA 3 pointer since 2009

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Are you denying he was one of the L's best 3pt shooters last season?

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Originally Posted by z0sa

Are you denying he was one of the L's best 3pt shooters last season?

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and look how far that got us last season.

not hating on Bonner. But this BS about it being his hand? He is obviously making 3s in practice, even the Spurs radio commentator said it. IMO it's more mental than physical.

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Originally Posted by hater

and look how far that got us last season.

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Bonner isn't the reason we lost last season.

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not hating on Bonner. But this BS about it being his hand? He is obviously making 3s in practice, even the Spurs radio commentator said it. IMO it's more mental than physical.

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It's definitely mental, because he's not used to playing with a glove and broken hand. During game situations, it's going to be a slight distraction still. Like I said, give him some time. You have to remember he couldn't shoot for weeks because of it, too.

As I have been saying for a while now...Bonner is not needed..in fact he is a liability...even if he DID hit a couple of his 3's, he gets absolutely TORCHED by opposing big men & SF's on defense..in fact his "defense" is non existant...he needs to be traded along with finley & rj...that could returns about $20 mil worth of players.

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Originally Posted by z0sa

Bonner isn't the reason we lost last season.

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not THE reason, but his D and bricking vs Mavs was a reason why we lost.

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It's definitely mental, because he's not used to playing with a glove and broken hand. During game situations, it's going to be a slight distraction still. Like I said, give him some time. You have to remember he couldn't shoot for weeks because of it, too.

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I would give him some time if we were not in danger of not making the playoffs.

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Originally Posted by hater

not THE reason, but his D and bricking vs Mavs was a reason why we lost.

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I thought his D was pretty good myself. It was definitely a team effort holding Dirk down, but Bonner was successful through long stretches (not fouling, not giving up open looks)

The bricking occurred because everyone knew the Spurs had Mason and Bonner (GHill couldn't grab a meaningful minute til half the series was over, another great Pop move) and no one else to compliment Tim and Tony. That's why GHill finally did come in Game 4 or 5 and got a ton of wide open looks like Bonner got in game 2.

I am troubled understanding why people don't think that the Mavs were going to adjust to Bonner's openings and quickly if they wanted to win. It's a playoff series, you play the same team, you learn their tendencies, you shut off their avenues of attack.

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Originally Posted by z0sa

However, I do think Dyess' fouling troubles and inconsistent play have definitely played a factor in Pop going small too often. Pop didn't even leave Dyess in against the Bulls when we needed a stop and rebound and Dyess had been playing well - that was what, 2 games ago?

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I'm actually hoping that the reason for small ball has been Mcdyess's slow start. And I'm hoping it will die with his recent efforts.

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Originally Posted by Dice

I'm actually hoping that the reason for small ball has been Mcdyess's slow start. And I'm hoping it will die with his recent efforts.

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Trust me, there is nothing more I want right now with this Spurs club than for small-ball to die. I'd LOVE for Dyess to do well and I'm wishing strong for it; he is definitely our 2nd best big potential wise and his numbers during just last playoffs were sick. If he brings that effort the second half of the season, sky might still be the limit for our seeding and title chances. Yes, i really think he could be that big of a difference - which is why I admit he is underachieving now; we know he can do better.

He'll just have to do it (get in a good groove) without last season's month of rest, and playing 24 of our last 36 on the road against many decent or better teams.

And Pop must actually play him in positions where he can succeed, of course.

Bonner as a starter is the reason why we sucked last year. Bonner off the bench is an asset to the team.

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Originally Posted by dastrey

Bonner off the bench is an asset to the team.

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I agree. I predicted Bonner could go back to coming off the bench and still produce nicely, and before he got injured, he was proving it. I don't want him to be the starter playing 35 minutes during POs because then we're once again doomed, but off the bench playing 20-25, he's one of the best backup bigs in the L.

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Originally Posted by z0sa

Trust me, there is nothing more I want right now with this Spurs club than for small-ball to die. I'd LOVE for Dyess to do well and I'm wishing strong for it; he is definitely our 2nd best big potential wise and his numbers during just last playoffs were sick. If he brings that effort the second half of the season, sky might still be the limit for our seeding and title chances.

He'll just have to do it (get in a good groove) without last season's month of rest, and playing 24 of our last 36 on the road against many decent or better teams.

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I like to think that, yes the rest helped, but the main reason for Dice's bigger performance in the second half of the season was the loss of Billups and injuries to others (Wallace, Hamilton). He was asked to carry a much bigger load as far as offense and rebounding.

I think he's gotten it. Probably got a chewing and he always takes that kind of stuff to heart.

As for Bonner, I'd like to see him in short spells but don't like him being a big part of the rotation just because of his lack of rebounding and D. I don't mind a big shooting over Blair because with him, at least the effort was there.

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Originally Posted by thispego

crofl you dumbasses. Bonner just got back from a broken hand and getting his game rhythm back. if you dont think pop told bonner to shoot every open 3 he got you are retarded. that is how you get a player re acclimated after injury.

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Let him "reacclimate" somewhere else. Orlando, for instance.

His shot will eventually start falling, but the bottom line is his role should be reduced to third big off the bench and no more than 15 minutes. As long as he's rebounding, defending, and getting a garbage bucket or two in the paint like a big man should I think he'll be fine. I'm just glad he's not our starting center logging 25-35 minute games anymore. His three point shot should be considered merely a bonus off the bench, not an integral (or necessarily reliable) part of our offense. If he's missing his three's, there's not much use for him as a 20+ minute player IMO.

Pop shouldn't play him that's for sure. But I wouldn't blame Bonner, blame Pop.

I like Bonner as a bench player, not as a starter, or defending the other team's best low post scorer.
If he can't hit 3's, he has little value. I also think he's a choker and I have a hard time believing he will ever contribute to a playoff run.

Pop has told Bonner to shoot at will when open (no hesitation). That much is obvious. He's coming back from an injury and he's following orders. It was painful to watch him clank open looks and give away 12 pts. I think it was Sean that said during the broadcast that he was hitting his shots during warm ups. That's probably why Pop gave him some burn. After missing repeatedly Pop yanked him to stop the bleeding.

Dude is shooting with a Michael Jackson glove and at this point I'm thinking it's more mental thing than a mechanics thing. He can hit em' during practice and warm up, but in game time something's missing. Give it time.

I'm anything but a Bonner fan and almost puked every time I saw him in the starting line up. But... he was helpful coming off the bench gaurding their bench players and spacing the floor. Once he finds his shot I'll be happy to see him get some burn off the bench, space the floor, and hit some timely 3's. You could see he got plenty of open looks last night. Open looks are good, he's just gotta hit his shots. Work in progress...

wow the hatred Bonner is fascinating, people actually start threads after every bad game he has.

Manu's had about 40 bad games this year, :lol he shot 30% last night, and many of you still think he had a good game,:lol he's shooting 40% for the year, and he's supposed to be one of our "stars" :lol:lol

also, Bonner plays darn good defense, but many of you can't see it because all you know about defense is vertical jumping ability and blocks per game :lol