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Renfro's passing skill is underrated. The dude just finds people.
Anyone got a stream or youtube link?
Man, fuck these point guards. Renfro would have had five alley oops by now with a competent guard.
That is why I really like White and Tre they can really help players use all there skill sets Back Door Dunks, Easy Catch and Dunk, etc..
RENFRO WITH TWO MANLY OFFENSIVE REBOUNDS IN A ROW
Bullshit ass call in favor of Paul Reed
Lol every time i click on this game it goes to a game between Iraq and India..lol
Fuck these refs. Just made this game from 10% enjoyable to 0% by calling bullshit calls on Renfro.
Two straight insane defensive plays by Renfro
32 can shoot
Renfro understands spacing - he doesn't unnecessarily chase a rebound when he has a teammate already in that area
He also sets smart screens
This kid knows basketball.
Why is it not announced which players have tested positive? What is the big secret? Other teams have had no problem saying when a player has tested positive and is out.Quote:
Originally Posted by ceperez
When are the Spurs projected to play their next game?
No kidding. It's not like nobody will ever find out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
Not as fun when they don’t run out the A team
Can’t understand oberto
Who is this Mathias guy? They just mentioned his now he had 30 points earlier. This is the first Austin Spurs game I've seen. Only just found the stream 5 minutes ago.
So Luka and Tre are done with the G league bubble?
Or will they go back?
It's straight-up illegal for a team to disclose that kind of information. Of course, it can get leaked, or you can see from circumstantial evidence like by those players being ruled out or whatever. But for a team to come straight out and say their player has it as the main authority would be a HIPPA violation. Remember, that Eubanks, Hammond and maybe even KBD likely had COVID earlier this year, but they were never described that way. I would expect the positive Spurs to not ever be named by the team, though we will likely know soon enough.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
He was 3rd in assists/game on the Spurs before this game.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
Man that Delaware team is staked Tucker killed us inside all night and Reed was a man among boys grabbing every rebound.
Is Mathis the new Bryan Forbes?
I didn't know any of that. Thanks for explaining. Is that a US thing? I mean, I just saw when players like KAT were out due to Covid, I assumed the team announced that. I guess you can deduce it yourself when you see who isn't playing next game. I didn't realize you were not allowed to announce it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
That shit was all leaked. It’ll show up on Twitter feeds like Woj.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
So for those who might be wondering why SA doesn't sign Renfro to a deal right now, a possible explanation could be that the date to start signing 10-day contracts is 02/23, or Tuesday. If they sign a guy right now, that player would get his contract guaranteed before he even gets to play. If tomorrow's game is cancelled (which I believe it is), the Spurs should be able to sign a guy to bolster their short-manned roster in time for their next outing. Depending on who's out, it could well be that Renfro is that guy. But it could be that the missing players are concentrated in SA's front court, and if that's the case, they'll need to sign depth there for at least that first stretch. I hope SA doesn't lose out on a legit prospect (Ren or whomever) because they didn't want to use their last spot earlier. But I also think you can easily make an argument for the added flexibility in terms of being able to make a trade or even sign a buyout candidate (because sometimes guys get bought out who aren't old ring-chasing vets like with Corey Brewer forever ago).
I'm watching the replay and they announced Quindarry on the starting PG. I was surprised, but I don't see him.. so
Good shit, Chinook!Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
It's not clear where the line is. Like from what I'm reading the NBA announced four Spurs testing positive. I'd have to actually research it to see exactly how that became known, but it would seem to be pretty sketchy. I do think every country has their own standards for that, and even the different leagues have their standards. In the NFL, it was routine to announce a player was out due to COVID protocols, but that didn't only mean testing positive. They had to do it that way, because the league had a special roster exemption for that case, so teams needed to clarify whether they were using that exemption or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ice009
To a certain extent, you can't completely respect HIPPA on something like this, because you have to be able to inform those in contact-tracing that they need to isolate. That's just for regular folks here. The NBA has other obligations to teams and financial partners, so there's always an incentive to disclose more information. I think they've basically agreed to a shortcut where they announce a player is in protocol and will be out for however long, and the media just announces it as a positive test without the teams actually saying it. Or it'll become common knowledge, and the team won't have to worry about being the ones who disclosed it. I'm betting someone could sue the NBA behind this if the will was there.
HIPAA (note the spelling) is only for health care providers. No one else is required to comply with the law.
The NBA may have other rules in place.
I really hope the Spurs look into bringing Renfro over, even if it’s on a 2-way. He looks like a defensive monster and only needs to hit a better 3-point percentage to become an NBA player.
Sorry. You're right. That limits on employer disclosure come from the ADA, not from HIPAA/HIPPAQuote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Body
I think they need to let go one of Q and KBD in order to give another two-way contract.Quote:
Originally Posted by RC_Drunkford
I think the logic behind going the 10 day route is to see how he would fit chemistry wise in the locker room, and if his work ethic is up to par with what they'd expect.
After the ten day contracts, can they sign him with anything other than the two way contract, Chinook ?
Yeah, sports teams are typically very loose with disclosing players’ health info, HIPAA or not. They aren’t health care providers per se, but they do employ trainers, physical therapists, even a team doctor. So it’s vague to me. Anyway, that’s a rabbit hole. Spurs typically don’t share much info, that may be the biggest reason for the mystery.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
Renfro. How does he look compared to Robert Woodard?
Yeah, normally, there's a limit to when a team has to have a guy signed to a two-way deal. It's supposed to be a bit after the guarantee/10-day date. So a player getting off two 10-days necessarily can't be signed to a two-way deal. I don't know for sure that it's banned this year though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
The idea behind a 10-day can well be to get a look (since by that time in the season, any other deal is fully guaranteed for the rest of the year), but it can also be to fill a temporary roster need like what could happen with the Spurs next week. They could sign a big to a 10-day to bolster a depleted front-court (hypothetically), while not committing their full contract slot to a guy who'd be the fourth center on a healthy team. After everyone gets back, they could then start giving 10-days to guys like Renfro to develop while still having the salary room to sign them long-term.
We currently have a roster spot open on the big club, so, yes, he can be signed to a minimum contract at the point where it won’t put us in the tax,which should be soon.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
Yeah, by the ADA, they shouldn't even report regular injuries. A normal place of work would be liable to trouble if they were like, "Hey everyone, Peter's gonna be walking a big gingerly for the next two weeks. He has a groin injury. Alice in Accounting tore her ACL, so don't expect to see her in the office for the rest of the year." It's not a random convention that no one else does this (in the US at least) -- it's illegal, and if sports didn't have so much money to grease political wheels, we wouldn't know any of those thing about players. That we do makes sense, since so much of the sport economy depends on the health of the players. But it should be cracked down on way more than it usually is, and in a case like with COVID, it looks like they are taking it a bit more seriously.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Truth #6
Two completely different players.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Truth #6
One is a big wing, the other is an athletic forward.
Woodard has an arsenal of offensive moves, but he's slower and less explosive than Renfro.
Renfro has better timing on blocks, better verticality, elite athleticism - Excellent lateral speed, vision, his defense is top notch.
Woodard has potential to be an ISO go-to scorer. Reminds me of someone like Caron Butler.
Renfro is a total team player and does all the small things. Reminds me a lot of Draymond Green.
Poeltl was actually a bro and took a small enough salary in his first season to get SA enough room to sign a rookie-min deal from the beginning of the season. They could've had Ren in the whole time. But by not using the roster spot, they are quickly approaching the time where they could sign any player to a min deal without going into the tax. That gives them options.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
I think it is part of the players CBA that they have to tell their employer of any injury/sickness. the team then is the employer and can release it.
here is an article I found on it. It deals with NFL but I think I have seen the same thing on NBA before.
https://deadspin.com/do-hipaa-laws-a...tes-1844195531
It’s funny, but when someone dropped the analogy of Luka to AK47, the first thing I thought was,no, Renfro is AK47. Blocks, steals, rebounds, assists, and a bit of scoring thrown in. He’s a guy who could legit drop a 5X5, five in each category, in one game. AK did it 3 times, Olajuwon 5 times, and no one else more that once. Spurs to do it were DRob and Ice. Funny you should mention Draymond. He has one.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
Yeah, but it's more complicated than that too. Like teams can disclose if a player has an injury or a disorder that directly affects their play. But you'll pretty much never hear of a team disclosing something like a mental disorder or really go into any detail about medical issues besides giving the general outline. There was an guard for Tampa Bay who just randomly started missing games and then retired, and to this day, I don't think the team has ever said why. We only know that he ended up deteriorating pretty severely and can't take care of himself anymore. It was a crazy-sad situation, since he was a second-rounder (which for those who don't know is like a mid-lotto pick by NBA standards) who only got to play for two years. That article sort of points out how gray the area really is. It looks like it's illegal for any employer to disclose medical information to the public, but the major US sports organizations have bargained for the players to authorize the teams to release SOME medical info. Given COVID's novelty, I don't know that the CBAs really let the teams disclose it. And given that the default is that disclosure is illegal, teams probably should just not do it.Quote:
Originally Posted by talkspurs
Very true.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chinook
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Originally Posted by Dejounte
Thanks! Renfro checks lots of boxes of what we need, what any team needs, really.
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Originally Posted by The Truth #6
Click the right arrow for the video.
Now play the video and check out the second clip of the compilation.
Absolutely a hound on defense.
Beat me to it. They could sign him to a minimum deal I think. There’s currently just over $1 million of luxury tax space and I could be wrong, but think a player with no years of experience is cheaper than that over a full year (and pro-rated if signed now).Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Not sure how the incentives work on some of the other contracts and the luxury tax.
How is Renfro even close to an NBA contract?
He's not and that's why I think the realistic way to get him is with a two way contract. IMO, we need to part with KBD.Quote:
Originally Posted by rankingtear
I love it. It looks like some of his skills will directly translate. Is offense the concern?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
As far as I've seen his offensive game is almost non-existent.
Sure, he can dunk and move the ball, but everything else is missing.
He can spot up for 3's, and drive to the basket with a decent first step. Makes the extra pass for an easier shot.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Truth #6
I guess as fans we ask ourselves what we expect from that position. It's fine to have role players on the team. Not everyone has to have breakdown ability or need to be counted on for offense. You only need a couple players for that.
Is there more we need from a 4? Every team needs role players. Unless you're very limited like Poeltl, having a player who you can throw lobs to or pass to for a corner 3 has a lot of value for a team.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuneJive
The athleticism Renfro would provide would unlock a new dimension on the main team. We don't have anyone who can run with our guards.
Renfro is in the extreme can't shoot category for a wing 25% career 3pt shooter and 40% free throw shooter.
I mean, maybe we should add context to that? Kind of disingenuous not to. He's attempted barely 1.4 threes on average during his college career and just two free throw attempts average. Of course percentages would look low on very few attempts. I'm not saying I know he'll be a good shooter, but the form looks good (which he said he worked on during his rehab from an ACL tear). He looks like he had a role to play during college and it was one that didn't consist of him shooting a lot of threes.Quote:
Originally Posted by rankingtear
For a guy who didn't go to a prestigious basketball program in college to possess the basketball IQ that he has. Not being coached by someone who is accomplished and knows their X's and O's, not having a top notch training facility... I'm just saying there could be untapped potential there.
KBD was a disappointment albeit the limited opportunity, but that Atlanta come back was almost a disaster. Renfro can address Spurs’ need at that size against long athletic SF/PFQuote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
I had hope for him starting off, but it looks like he's suffering the DeMarre Carroll syndrome ... Just not quick enough for today's league.Quote:
Originally Posted by John B
If Renfro could knock down 3 pointers at a decent rate he would be an excellent 3&D player.
defensively the guy is every damn where!
I think Refro leads the GLeague in blocks. How’s his onball defense? Do they have defensive rating for him? How does it translate in the NBA?
i never understood why pop refused to get a athletic big, its mind boggling. i remember going crazy when we got elson:lol
Because it take more than athleticism? This kid we’re talking about, Renfro, is athletic, but he also understands the game. Like White, he grew late, not being much more than 5’9” in HS. He then went to JUCO, and a mid major, University of San Francisco. He has a guard’s perspective, and in spite of virtually no other pro level offense, was 3rd on the team in assists. He fills the stat sheet.Quote:
Originally Posted by stephen jackson
I've only been able to see a few highlight clips here and there, mostly of his blocks, but I'm excited to read that people here think he has some BBIQ (something Elson was never accused of) and can actually pass somewhat. If so, that would be great for the second unit.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Is there any reason he hasn't been snatched up already? Has anyone heard any rumors et cetera...
He hasn’t been snatched up because of his untypical history.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Truth #6
And he can't shoot, he's 1 for 6 free throws so farQuote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
A tad above 40% college.
Fortunately, we have the greatest shooting coach in the world.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddog
I'll admit I haven't watched him shoot, but that may beyond Chip's abilityQuote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
Is there anything about his shooting stroke that would give a hint of optimism....
It's nowhere near Poeltl bad. His lack of shooting is being overstated by people uninformed or people trying to spread exaggerated info. The form looks good and he looks confident shooting it. Knows how to move off-ball too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddog
We talking about a player that was not drafted so off course they are things that they will need to work on and for Nate it will be 3 ball and mid rage. But as Dejaunte likes to say he passes the eye test he has legit 6’8 height is a very athletic player meaning he can fly and he is an excellent defender. As far as offense he actually is really good at finding the open man a very smart player as his assist show, and his handles are not bad at all.
This to me shows signs of a perfect project if as Exstatic explained Chip can work some of his magic this kid could be a real steal for us at a position of need. It will be interesting now that Luka and Tre are being pulled from G League will the Spurs start giving him more plays called to see what they really got to work with.
I may be coming across a bit negative, but am actually intrigued.
Despite the small number of shots, his % are not good
His shot looks OK. It’s not like he’s Lonzo Ball, or one of those other guys with huge hitches in their shots.Quote:
Originally Posted by Maddog
He could be the next Derrick Jones Jr. if he plays his cards right and works on his perimeter shot/game. The Spurs have been in desperate need of that type of skillset in forever.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
Hope this kid pans out & the team signs him to a main roster or two - way deal soon.
Can we request a thread? A Renfro v Franz that gives a comparison of the 2. If you had to only pick 1, which one and why?
His shooting % is bad, but it's not like he can't shoot at all. He just has to knock them down consistently. I see Chip fixing that quite easily. If you really want to tighten up our defense get a shotblocking 4, I've always said that. A forward leading the G-League in blocks is quite impressive. From his physical profile he's exactly the type of player you want guarding LeBron and nephew. I really hope they get him on the main team ASAP
At this point, I'm going to expect the worst. What chance was there the Spurs would sign a g-league player that its own fans wanted? Very slim. Likely nothing happens.
Renfro is already 24.
Upside is limited. If you want him for his defense and bbiq, fine, but don't oversell his offensive game.
A liability on offense is still a liability.
Except you never watched any of these g-league games, but thank you for your contribution. Fucking hate idiots who talk out of their ass.Quote:
Originally Posted by JuneJive
I've watched every game.
What did I say that was wrong?
Woodard is straight up being abused out there. Awful game from him so far.
Mathis looks like he taped that beard on his face.
Good game for Renfro so far, outside of a couple turnovers. He's playing center out there a lot today, and he's driving and kicking the ball. Unfortunately, his teammates have not been making them. Also weird is that he should have three steals right now, but for some reason that last one wasn't credited to anyone (Kaleb was the only one nearby and the steal isn't showing up on his statline). It was clearly a steal.
Woodard is an ISO machine. Love his moves and ferocity.
How much do we wish we had this on the main team?
Dejounte, thanks for posting these highlights. I wish the team would put some Renfro plays that weren’t just him dunking the ball, but I get it.
They understand what generates clicks on social media.Quote:
Originally Posted by The Truth #6
Haha, cmon man he is the backup center for our g league team relax.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
He came thru the same process as Jonathon Simmons, who made it into the NBA.Quote:
Originally Posted by rankingtear
This kid is legit a jump shot away from the NBA. He does everything else, including being 3rd on the team in assists before Trey and Luka left.
Hopefully, they sign Renfro to a 10-day or whatever is permissible. Without any jumpshot, I can’t see him playing any playoff minutes, but I would love to see him in short bursts and see what he can do.
For sure Spurs is thin on the SF/Wing position that Renfro can address. I was hoping that he wouldn't play today and on his way to the big team.
IMO, it's not happening at all if it doesn't happen today. Maybe the Spurs look at a vet.Quote:
Originally Posted by John B
Not signing a player to a 10 day contract could also mean PATFO is optimistic that the rest of the team will be back soon, hopefully just adhering to safety protocol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
Probably focusing on Luka, who is the priority.Quote:
Originally Posted by John B
I thought maybe Khyri Thomas was going to get a 10-Day, has NBA experience and hasn't been playing for Austin in awhile. Perhaps injured.
I actually see teams waiting to fill roster spots until after the trade deadline.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
10-days wouldn't affect that, though. Not only would they run out before then, but that's the kind of contract you waive without a second thought if you need a spot.Quote:
Originally Posted by exstatic
"Renfro is already 24.
Upside is limited. If you want him for his defense and bbiq, fine, but don't oversell his offensive game.
A liability on offense is still a liability." Said June Jive.
Your response as follows.
Dude , ease up. Its a message board with people's thouhts and views. Just because you dominate the conversation doesnt make you the all knowing, never to be challenged god of Spurs basketball.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
I'm often challenged and I welcome differing opinions. So thanks for that, random guy. It's when people spout lies and have ignorant takes without proper research that ticks me off.Quote:
Originally Posted by rogcl1
Lies? Ignorant takes? Proper research?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte
You've watched him this season, just like the rest of us.
I think I've been pretty objective in regards to Renfro.
Feel free to pick apart anything I said.
btw fuck you and your high horse.
Just like I said . You have to get your little dig in there. Excuse me if I don't have 6400 posts on a message board .Quote:
Originally Posted by Dejounte