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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
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Originally Posted by
TJastal
Still trying to figure out WTF this exactly means.....
:lol
Sorry I don't always find the right words/expressions...
I meant that the spurs are not a "catch and shoot" team!
The playbooks are very different compared to most of the teams in the league.
There are far less improvisation, we either execute a drawn play, or we work more to find the open man than the average...
So the PG isn't necessarely the one who gives the last pass...
+ Adding the fact that our 3 best players are capable of creating their own shots, it take some ass off Tony's stat line...
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
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Originally Posted by
HarlemHeat37
I love Hill, he's also a SHOOT-first PG too..so the same people that criticize TP for his playing style are the same people that show love to Hill for the way he plays..it doesn't make any sense to prefer the PG with the same mentality BUT with INFERIOR skills as a PG..
Hill isn't even a point guard. He's a small two guard who can handle the ball and doesn't turn it over much.
Assists per 36 min, career:
Ray Allen 3.6
Point Guard George Hill 3.5
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
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Originally Posted by
HarlemHeat37
It's actually kind of funny..
I agree with Kace's point that a lot of Spurs fans seem to knock TP for being a shoot-first PG while showing love to guys like Rose..but you don't even have to use an example like Rose, we have an example on our own team..
I love Hill, he's also a SHOOT-first PG too..so the same people that criticize TP for his playing style are the same people that show love to Hill for the way he plays..it doesn't make any sense to prefer the PG with the same mentality BUT with INFERIOR skills as a PG..
+1 :lol
I thouht about it and forgot to mention it too.. this is so absurd!!!!
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
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Originally Posted by
ShoogarBear
Hill isn't even a point guard. He's a small two guard who can handle the ball and doesn't turn it over much.
Assists per 36 min, career:
Ray Allen 3.6
Point Guard George Hill 3.5
It reminds me the way Pop wanted to change Tony into a pass 1st PG and finaly changing his mind a taking Tony for who he is...
I hope he does the same with Hill, and not try too much to turn him into a real PG that he is not...
I really like what he brings and his mentality, but he is no PG...
Tony playmaking skills look fantastic compared to him! :lol
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
They are both shoot first PG, but Hill does most of his shooting on the fast breaks where he is (I think) even better than Tony.
What I like about Hill
In the half court setting Hill keeps the ball moving crisply which helps find good % open shots for teammates. Parker otoh does alot of dribbling and 1 on 5. Which pretty much leaves the offensive production at the mercy of how Tony is doing/feeling/hobbling/ that particular night.
I'll give Tony some props, he does seem to be at least trying (at times) to get others involved. And I'll agree that when he's 100% healthy he can carry an offense practically all by himself. But it may be awhile before we see that Tony again. :(
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
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Originally Posted by
TJastal
They are both shoot first PG, but Hill does most of his shooting on the fast breaks where he is (I think) even better than Tony.
Really? Isn't Tony known as a "one man fast break" in the league?
Hill is very good but not better.
Parker otoh does alot of dribbling and 1 on 5. Which pretty much leaves the offensive production at the mercy of how Tony is doing/feeling/hobbling/ that particular night.
When you listen to opposite coach, that one of the reason he is a pain in the ass...
I agree that he sometimes keep the ball too long, but the way he changes direction is very hard to deal with collectively...
Spurs fan don't realize how difficult it is to contain a player like Tony (when heathy of course).
He HAS to stay a constant threat in the paint, that opens a lot of space ... (just ask Mason or Bonner!)
I'll give Tony some props, he does seem to be at least trying (at times) to get others involved. And I'll agree that when he's 100% healthy he can carry an offense practically all by himself. But it may be awhile before we see that Tony again. :(
:nope We already have seen this Tony this year, the pb is that it was only for 1 or 2 quaters...
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
Just a thought. Maybe because Hill dunks more while TP hardly dunks in the game. I still think that TP deserves more respect from the Spurs' fans. Well, people think differently and you can't tell other people to think the same way you do. Wait until the playoffs come, I think Spurs' fans will see more of how valuable TP is to the team. During this time, we should just wish TP, TD, Manu, and all the players healthy for the playoff run. Go Spurs Go!
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
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Originally Posted by
HarlemHeat37
It's actually kind of funny..
I agree with Kace's point that a lot of Spurs fans seem to knock TP for being a shoot-first PG while showing love to guys like Rose..but you don't even have to use an example like Rose, we have an example on our own team..
I love Hill, he's also a SHOOT-first PG too..so the same people that criticize TP for his playing style are the same people that show love to Hill for the way he plays..it doesn't make any sense to prefer the PG with the same mentality BUT with INFERIOR skills as a PG..
This post.
Newbie Spurs fans constantly seem to fixate on whatever is new and shiny.
Hell, if you go by NuSpurFan we would have a starting lineup of Hill/Hairston/James White!/Pops Mensa Boom Boom + Tim Duncan (but only until The Gist! returns or Blair gets more experience).
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
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Originally Posted by
Pauleta14
:toast
I just REALLY don't understand...
3 rings
3 time allstar
1 mvp of the finals
+10000pts at 50% shooting
...
WTF guys?
What really is your problem ith Tony?
You don't like his face? his wife? what?
Even if I'm french, I'm not even a TP homer...
My favorit Spur is/used to be (:lol) Manu!
But come on!!!
How can you all be that blinded???
Can't you see what he brings to the team?
Are you all conservative freaks???
He doesn't play like a classic PG (whitch is a good thing for the "excute plays" system of the spurs by the way), but THERE IS NO "CLASSIC" PG THAT CAN DO WHAT HE DOES!!!!!!!!!! NO ONE!!!!
He'll stay in history as one of the best finisher ever!!!
Do you realise how difficult it is to shoot at 50%? For 8 years? for so many games?
When he is not great (like this year), he is still our 2nd most productive player!!!!
I even read some of you who minimized his production in 2003! He was our 2nd best player even if he strugled!!!!!!!
Hearing you, S.Claxton was better than Tony!!:lol
Start watching what he brings and not only what he doesn't, it's just not fair to him...
Imagine you did the same with Manu!!!
All the dumb plays, the TOs, the last two years, the game 7 Nowitski fault...
Imagine if it was Tony...
You don't have to love the guy, but at least show him some respect!
I mean:
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"Tony should come off the bench".......:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao:lmao
Really? That the best your can bring to the debate?
Don't get me wrong, I'm one big TD fan but I have number 9 as my jersey number whenever I play basketball? Why, because I'm giving homage to Tony Parker. I see him as a unique player that's why I always use his number
We all know what he has achieved and what he can do, but it's just sad that he can't tweak his game a little bit to suit the changing face of the team.
Like what I said, I'm not expecting him to become Nash or Paul. All want for him is to realize that he no longer needs to score 20ppg just to be effective. He just needs to involve other teammates because the team has a lot more firepower than ever before. Right now, TP 's career average in terms of assists is around 5.6, which is pretty average for a PG. Then again, I believe that that number will shoot up once he realizes the number of people who can actually benefit from his penetration.
That being said, I still agree that the Spurs is 100 times more potent if we can see him healthy once again. :toast
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
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Originally Posted by
ThaiFanofSpurs
Just a thought. Maybe because Hill dunks more while TP hardly dunks in the game.
TP NEVER dunks in the game. :lol
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
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Originally Posted by
ezau
I agree with this. Tony needs the ball in his hands all the time to be effective. As a PG, he's a mediocre passer and he doesn't let many players involved when he's on the court. I think he needs to adjust his game by becoming more pass-oriented than in previous years. With the depth and talent of the Spurs this year, him dribbling and penetrating is becoming more and more obsolete. Honestly, I predicted that the Spurs will win this game without Tony.
I think a lot of the problems with Tony at PG could be solved if Pop went back to calling the plays. Tony has never done that in his entire career and Tony's tendency is to call his own play every time down the court, dribbling until he can attack a filled-in lane, a la Steve Francis of Houston some years ago. Tony's not a PG by nature, not a Steve Nash or Jason Kidd, so you have to force him into a movement game by calling the plays from the sidelines.
We won four championships with POP calling plays from the sidelines and I still don't think a change to Tony in the driver's seat was necessary or some kind of battlefield promotion for good play.
Notice that when Hill is in, Pop calls the plays, and our ball movement picks up.
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
The fact is players like Mason,Jefferson or Hill seem to be betters with Tony out.And the fact is we arent really worse with Tony out.We suck anyway with him at 200% last year.
We are a better team with Mason,Hill and Jefferson scoring 10-15 points.
It's not Tony's fault? I don't mind.But he's the PG so he has to fix that.
When TD and Manu was at his prime we didn't need a lot of points from Bowen.TP can play what he wants.But now it's different.Manu can't score 20 every night.
Hill isn't better than Parker.Never will be better than the best TP.But he's not far away than the actual TP and every year he's going to be close to Tony because Hill is younger.
It seems that some fans doesn't want to see how good is Hill.
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Tony was a key role player in 2003 and 2005 years the Spurs won titles and Tony didn't need to have the ball in his hands to be effective. Tony is not the only problem on this team. I admit he hasn't been the same old Tony but the new guys just haven't brought in any energy, any chemistry or other than Bogans with his defense or Blair with his rebounding any game. I still lhave high hopes for McDyess, but RJ has the Wade Phillips look like he is always lost. OK Blair does create excitement, but good god the guy just can't finish a layup.
Defense is the team's biggest problem, the kind of team defense the Spurs have been known for, Hopefully that will kick in someday soon, otherwise we better lower our expectations of this team considerably. The Spurs are what their record says a middle of the road team, a good team but not a title contender.
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
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Originally Posted by
ThaiFanofSpurs
Just a thought. Maybe because Hill dunks more while TP hardly dunks in the game. I still think that TP deserves more respect from the Spurs' fans. Well, people think differently and you can't tell other people to think the same way you do. Wait until the playoffs come, I think Spurs' fans will see more of how valuable TP is to the team. During this time, we should just wish TP, TD, Manu, and all the players healthy for the playoff run. Go Spurs Go!
:lol he doesn't dunk. He did it twice if I remember correctly. Once he made it and he was laughing, the other time he tried, couldnt reach it and failed. Anyway, it isnt about dunking, don't know why you brought that up.
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
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Originally Posted by
Josepatches_
The fact is players like Mason,Jefferson or Hill seem to be betters with Tony out.And the fact is we arent really worse with Tony out.We suck anyway with him at 200% last year.
We are a better team with Mason,Hill and Jefferson scoring 10-15 points.
It's not Tony's fault? I don't mind.But he's the PG so he has to fix that.
When TD and Manu was at his prime we didn't need a lot of points from Bowen.TP can play what he wants.But now it's different.Manu can't score 20 every night.
Hill isn't better than Parker.Never will be better than the best TP.But he's not far away than the actual TP and every year he's going to be close to Tony because Hill is younger.
It seems that some fans doesn't want to see how good is Hill.
This is not a fact. Are you serious?
This thread is going nowhere. Fail. It should be closed.
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
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Originally Posted by
Bukefal
This is not a fact. Are you serious?
This thread is going nowhere. Fail. It should be closed.
:lol
I feel like I lost my time "contributing" to this thread...
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
This thread, and anyone posting against one of the 5 best point guards in the league, should be locked and banned.
We have enough Spurs fans, thanks. We don't need idiots who don't know basketball.
Btw, noobs, Tony averaged 7 assists per game last year. GTFO.
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
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Originally Posted by
Cry Havoc
one of the 5 best point guards in the league,
Dumbass. No he's not.
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
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Originally Posted by
Pauleta14
:lol
I feel like I lost my time "contributing" to this thread...
:lol indeed.
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Originally Posted by
Kyle Orton
Dumbass. No he's not.
You really need to stop stalking my posts, thanks.
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I don't know if spurs fans have an issue with their pg scorer but what I know is that the PG spot is the most exposed.
All the fans are complaining about their PG, how the PG is doing is one of the favorite discussions ever. Look at all the forums this is the same story: he must pass the ball more to x, he has to be more agressive, he is TOs prone, he is shooting too much etc etc... but guess what our pg has 3 rings and 1 mvp finals we all should be happy so far.
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
The thing about Tony is that he has been playing this way ever since he has been in the league. Only now Fans are starting to notice it cause of the solid players we have. I think the older Tim/Manu got along with the constant signing of veterans put Parker in a situation where, season after season he was expected to score more and more cause Tim/Manu couldnt do as much and the veterans were simply that, old role players. Now the chair has kinda been yanked from under him so to speak. He went from being the head of the snake (08-09 season) to now needing to be a facilitator in 09-10, Something he never has really been. He averaged 22pts and 7ast last season; thats solid IMO. However his assist come solely off penetration and right now thats a bad thing for the spurs offense. Pop needs to start calling the plays and TP needs to go back to the 04-05 Parker. In 04-05 the ball movement was pretty good between TP/Manu/Barry. The new TP stops ball movement, which a PG should never do.
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Re: Some thoughts on Tony Parker
I want to clarify that when I started this thread I wasn't thinking of benching Parker or hating on him either. I'm a fan of Tony and any Spur for that matter, these were just my own thoughts on something that I thought may have added with the injury to contribute to Tony being less stellar than last season.
