48MoH: Shaking the Roster Up

interesting article... but i don't think a role player is going to fix the Spurs problem this year... If you compare this year Spurs team to the Spurs team in the past, this is one of the most talented supporting cast for the "BIG 3"; the problem isn't R. Jefferson, A. McDyess, etc... the truth is that our "BIG 3" is no longer good enough, same thing could be said about the Celtics too... "and that's why they are exploring trading R. Allen"; i am 100% supportive of exploring to trade M. Ginobili, if you look at it with our current "BIG 3", its just going to go down hills from here.

I really don't buy the notion that this Spurs team is the "most talented" supporting cast..maybe offensively, but certainly not defensively, which is half the game..Jefferson, Mason, Bonner, Finley, McDyess and Blair are all average or worse defenders..

The big 3 certainly isn't as good as they once were, but their jobs would be a lot easier if the Spurs could stop some teams from scoring once in a while..

the thing that worries me about who ever we bring to this Spurs' team is that, lets say we bring in an R. Gay, A. Iguodala, etc... I have a feeling that they are going to also struggle on this current Spurs team playing along T. Parker.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

It's sure that going on a Spurs' message board and insult Spurs' players isn't trolling...

And you call me stupid. :rolleyes

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just because Allanon doesn't understand basketball and is a lakerfan (what a coincidence :)) doesn't mean he is a troll. :rolleyes

Great article by these guys as always... I agree that we shouldn't be targeting a guy who himself is in a decline (Tayshaun). On paper Prince would be a good fit, but it'd probably be a high risk-medium reward lateral trade. Maggette and Randolph would potentially be ok, but Maggettes's contract is bloated, Randolph I believe is done for the year, and it probably would be a "goodbye" to Ginobili, which I'm def not in favor of. Anthony Randolph on the Spurs would be awesome, but for some reason he doesn't strike me as a Popovich-friendly player. IDK I could be wrong.

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There is truth to the notion that bringing in another impact player only messes with the team’s chemistry. I get that. I’ve made the point elsewhere. It’s a dangerous roll of the dice. But at this point–at the point of consistently losing to good teams–the position that says hold steady is just as dangerous, if not more so.

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this I definitely agree with... At this point a trade may not be just a light gamble, depending on the next two weeks outcome, it maybe a necessity.

I'd like to see the Spurs target a player from the (probably) rebuilding Wizards, and not necessarily just Haywood. Mike Miller's expiring contract is worth almost 10 million, and I wouldn't mind dealing for him at the cost our own expirers (if we could get McGee or Oberto in the deal even better). Despite Miller approaching 30, he's 6'8, has long arms and can rebound well, is a former 6MOY, and is generally a versatile player. Defensively, he's not the answer to any of our problems, but he's going nowhere in Washington and we could use guys who, unlike Jefferson, can create for others and play off the ball well.

lol I have to stand up for Allanon here, he's def not a troll and knows he's shit about bball most of the time. I actually agree with what he said about the magette situation, we'd have no perimeter shooters at all

Any trade involving Manu right now would be buy high sell low. And thus, regardless of the contract situation, very risky and stupid.

I say we roll with who we have and see if we can get everyone healthy and playing right together. It always looks worst when you're in the middle of the storm but that doesn't mean you give up only to start over again (building chemistry).

lakertrolls love to subtly substitute jefferson with "dick." that's when they insult spurs players, which allanon did first. therefore, bruno was justified in attacking allanon. that shit may fly in the nba forum but won't be tolerated in the spurs forum.

Regarding Manu Ginobili:

1.) i really believe his best days are over, and has lost a few steps. he'll have his occasional 20-30 points game when his jump shot is falling; he really lost some of his quickness and thats why he can't get to the rack and finish like the way he has before. I think from now on it's just going to be downhill for Manu Ginobili with each coming seasons.

2.) let's say we don't trade Manu Ginobili and stay with him till the end of the season... do we resign him, since if we don't he's just going to walk for free. And if we resign him, he's just going to be one year older than he was this season and one more step slower. The obvious problem with this team is similar to the one of the Boston Celtics "our core is no longer good enough" and with each coming year, they are just gonna get worse and worse...it's no reason that the Boston Celtics are exploring R. Allen.

3.) i really believe we need to seriously consider trading M. Ginobili; there's really no downside in trading him, since as it stands right now our core isn't really good enough and only going to get worst; why not trade him now for younger pieces.

Why not trade Manu??? :wakeup

Manu when healthy, he is our best closer and our best defender. Can you replace that? Hell no! We are better off give it a try and hope the old Manu shows up for the playoffs. He did it over the summer with Argentina while playing injured, I don't see how he can't do it now.

He is not going to be the old Manu of the entire season, but for short stretches? Hell yeah!!!

Manu could very well be our new Horry.... and if you think its only horry that played well when it mattered look at what Derek Fisher did last year for the Lakers...

Derek Fisher was horrible last year in the playoffs other than a few shots..

I know he struggled against Houston, but he had some pretty good games in the finals...

yeah, u might believe that Manu Ginobili would return to his old self; but any keen observer could tell that Manu Ginobili is beginning to slow down... i'm sorry but M. Ginobili is supposed to be one of our BIG 3 while R. Horry was a terrific role player; so i don't really see a comparison there... i just really think it be smarter to trade Manu Ginobili; it'll be one thing to say if Manu Ginobili was struggling the 1st 10-20 games of the season... but it been over 40 games and he's still struggling; i'm just more of a believer of the fact that he has slowed down; and i would rather get some pieces in for him rather than let him walk for free this summer. And i really believe that if he struggles this year in the playoff, the Spurs would let him walk.

Bruno, you've been one of my favorite posters since I got here. But recently you've been on the rag or some shit.

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Originally Posted by jason1301

Why not trade Manu??? :wakeup

Manu when healthy, he is our best closer and our best defender. Can you replace that? Hell no! We are better off give it a try and hope the old Manu shows up for the playoffs. He did it over the summer with Argentina while playing injured, I don't see how he can't do it now.

He is not going to be the old Manu of the entire season, but for short stretches? Hell yeah!!!

Manu could very well be our new Horry.... and if you think its only horry that played well when it mattered look at what Derek Fisher did last year for the Lakers...

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Manu as "the new Horry" isn't going to put this team on-par with the Lakers. Spurs need consistent production from their big 3 and some outbursts from guys like Jefferson, McDyess, Hill and Blair to accomplish that.

Manu, despite taking the summer off and being given half a season to round into shape, hasn't provided that consistency. Of course the Spurs could cross their fingers and hope that "old Manu" shows up during the playoffs, that everyone is healthy and acclimated...and the Spurs could make a legitimate run for the 'ship.

Then what?

This summer the Spurs would be asked to pony up $10-12M a season for 2 or 3 seasons to keep Manu and hope that the magic continues...or risk losing him and having only MLE (theoretically already tagged for Splitter) to sign a replacement.

I understand your logic that Manu is a major key to the Spurs winning it all this year, but for the long-term health of the franchise I think the Spurs FO would be dumb not to explore trading him as an option.

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Originally Posted by AFBlue

Manu as "the new Horry" isn't going to put this team on-par with the Lakers. Spurs need consistent production from their big 3 and some outbursts from guys like Jefferson, McDyess, Hill and Blair to accomplish that.

Manu, despite taking the summer off and being given half a season to round into shape, hasn't provided that consistency. Of course the Spurs could cross their fingers and hope that "old Manu" shows up during the playoffs, that everyone is healthy and acclimated...and the Spurs could make a legitimate run for the 'ship.

Then what?

This summer the Spurs would be asked to pony up $10-12M a season for 2 or 3 seasons to keep Manu and hope that the magic continues...or risk losing him and having only MLE (theoretically already tagged for Splitter) to sign a replacement.

I understand your logic that Manu is a major key to the Spurs winning it all this year, but for the long-term health of the franchise I think the Spurs FO would be dumb not to explore trading him as an option.

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couldn't have said it any better myself...

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Originally Posted by jason1301

Why not trade Manu??? :wakeup

Manu when healthy, he is our best closer and our best defender. Can you replace that? Hell no! We are better off give it a try and hope the old Manu shows up for the playoffs. He did it over the summer with Argentina while playing injured, I don't see how he can't do it now.

He is not going to be the old Manu of the entire season, but for short stretches? Hell yeah!!!

Manu could very well be our new Horry.... and if you think its only horry that played well when it mattered look at what Derek Fisher did last year for the Lakers...

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If Manu is our new Horry who is our new Manu? Horry was an awesome addition for the spurs but even with Horry Spurs needed a big 3 to go along with him.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Read better, genius, Spurs' player =! Spurs' fans.

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Where am I insulting Spurs players, genius? Must be that time of the month for Bruno.

I understand this is a Spurs forum, I keep the trolling on the NBA side of things out of respect for most of the cool Spurs posters. And to be honest, I like Duncan as much as most of you here.

Again I ask, when have I EVER been disrespectful here in the Spurs forum without being provoked first (outside of the Laker/Spurs games trash talk)?

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Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37

I don't think Allanon is a pure troll or an asshole or anything, but he IS stupid,

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True, you're not an an asshole either. Just a homer that hates Kobe.

Nothing wrong with that. I don't agree with your takes but I "get it".

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Example #1, when comparing Lebron to Kobe's supporting cast, Allanon has been quoted as saying the current version of Shaquille O'Neal is just as good as Dwight Howard..LOL..

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I'd rather see Dwight in the Playoffs than Shaq.

Anybody who says they'd rather see Dwight than Shaq in the Playoffs is just fooling themselves.

What did Allanon call Jefferson? Dick? Dick = Richard.

And for the record, Allanon is one of the few decent Laker fans in the NBA forum. I'm already eating crow for laughing at his Marc could become better than Pau remarks.

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Originally Posted by Chomag

If Manu is our new Horry who is our new Manu? Horry was an awesome addition for the spurs but even with Horry Spurs needed a big 3 to go along with him.

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I should have written "new Horry type of player" meaning he plays at his old good self during the later part of the season including playoffs... even when Manu was at his prime, he couldn't play 35min every night.

Manu is adapting to his new role, he passes more and shoots more. I think he can do it. It would be foolish to trade him, knowing that at any given night he could be our best closer and our best defender. He can't do it for an entire season, but I believe he can have a horry type of a career from now on.

Now as it concerns who is our new Manu, no-one! A lot has to do with TP's play, when healthy he can carry us over the reg season --like he did the last two seasons.

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Originally Posted by 024

lakertrolls love to subtly substitute jefferson with "dick." that's when they insult spurs players, which allanon did first. therefore, bruno was justified in attacking allanon. that shit may fly in the nba forum but won't be tolerated in the spurs forum.

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You gotta be kidding me. Richard and Dick are very acceptable and interchangeable in the English language.

Alot of people in this forum call him Dick. Not just lakertrolls.

I'll bet I can find 100 posts by "true" Spur fans that call him Dick.

It's used so much around here I've caught onto it. I either call him Dick or RJ, check my posts. I even used both in that same first post.

Who actually types out "Richard"? I'll bet you Dick is used alot more than "Richard" on this forum by "Spurfan"

Allanon is the lakerfan equivalent of ducks

RJ is not working out. He should definitly be shopped.

To win the NBA championship you need one of the best 5-7 players in the NBA at that time. Magic, Bird, Isaiah, Jordan, Dream, Shaq, Wade, Duncan, Kobe. The only possible exception is the Billups Pistons.

The Spurs don't have anyone even approaching that level right now.