Nice to see Ian in garbage time tonight

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Originally Posted by objective

His biggest fouling problem was moving screens. He had them in SL, he had them in pre-season, he had them against NJ. It was something he needed to improve.

So against Memhis . . . NO offensive fouls for illegal screens.

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As often as not, moving screens are the fault of the small guy dribbling the ball for not giving the big a chance to set his feet. Again, something that can be remedied by guys getting a chance to play together.

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Originally Posted by objective

No, YOU go back and watch that game. Unlike you probably, I watched that game a second time solely to scout Ian and take notes.

He had two bogus calls, and two legit fouls against.

AND he DREW FOUR fouls. One of them a charge, and another on Randolph when Zach held Ian to keep him from running the floor.

And enough of this fouling garbage.

His biggest fouling problem was moving screens. He had them in SL, he had them in pre-season, he had them against NJ. It was something he needed to improve.

So against Memhis . . . NO offensive fouls for illegal screens.

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last time i checked "bogus" calls still go down as personal fouls and against the team total.

guy cant stop fouling. bogus or not. fouling machine.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Funny how you know that without having seen him get a chance to play. It seems like the Spurs could have made a premature judgment of the guy four years ago and not wasted everyone's time and money.

Yeah, why would you need to see a guy play to know if he can actually play? Besides, all big men have learned everything they're going to learn by age 23.

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that could have been a pre-mature evaluation on ian but thats just my opinion..

still doesnt change the way i feel about him being the difference or needing more time. he hasnt impressed me and after 3 years of being on the team he obviously hasnt impressed anyone else either.

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Originally Posted by DesignatedT

last time i checked "bogus" calls still go down as personal fouls and against the team total.

guy cant stop fouling. bogus or not. fouling machine.

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what are you talking about?

New players (and Ian is 'new' to most of the refs) don't get any respect and always have a lot of fouls because they don't get any respect.

He straight up wasn't fouling that bad compared to others in his situation. Blair got a ton of fouls his first few games also.

And you still have NOTHING for anything else I've posted.

Go back and watch the game.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

As often as not, moving screens are the fault of the small guy dribbling the ball for not giving the big a chance to set his feet. Again, something that can be remedied by guys getting a chance to play together.

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Sometimes, I don't think that was the case with Ian though. He just kind of wobbled over and wouldn't square up right in the past. Rarely made any contact.

He made an improvement when he was against Memphis.

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Originally Posted by Obstructed_View

Yeah, why not? I could have used Shaquille O'Neal or Dwight Howard to compare as well because, like almost all young bigs in the NBA, they have problems adjusting to the speed and require time to reduce their fouls. Mahinmi has no less upside than Bynum at this point in his career, and you'll see that proven in July, when the line of NBA suitors throw more money at him than the Spurs can afford.

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I'm saving this one.

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Originally Posted by objective

what are you talking about?

New players (and Ian is 'new' to most of the refs) don't get any respect and always have a lot of fouls because they don't get any respect.

He straight up wasn't fouling that bad compared to others in his situation. Blair got a ton of fouls his first few games also.

And you still have NOTHING for anything else I've posted.

Go back and watch the game.

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please. some biased opinion analysis against the memphis grizzlies shows absolutely NOTHING.

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Originally Posted by DesignatedT

please. some biased opinion analysis against the memphis grizzlies shows absolutely NOTHING.

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so you have nothing.

By the way, Ian drew 4 fouls, possibly as much as twice as many as any other Spur that night, including 2 fouls on Zach Randolph.

Ian is now the "Foul Drawing Machine"

Facts are facts

lol you have nothing..

who the fuck are you to say Ian played a stellar game, some fucking NBA scout?

Me saying hes a foul machine is backed up in every damn box score hes had.

You saying hes playing a "great game" doing all these things going unseen has no credibility whatsoever. just another biased opinion.

you have NO facts.

I'm no scout, but I watched the game, more than you're claiming. And watched it a second time just to focus on Ian, again, more than you're claiming.

Boxscore doesn't tell the whole story, otherwise Matt Bonner would be in the hall of fame for his +/- achievements.

I have nothing but facts to drop.

Watch the game and come back to this thread with some facts.

Will you talk about the fouls he drew? The charge on Randolph? The holding foul on Randolph?

Will you talk about how well he blocked out some of the best rebounders in the game? Will you mention the screens he set that were actually good for once (this is coming from someone who has seen him play a long time)?

And what is this "great game" you're putting on me?

I said in other threads that he had a decent game against MEM. And he did. It wasn't great because of him not finishing off the Manu feed for his first miss, even though he did corral the low pass. His 3rd miss was a bust, Manu's man hadn't left the area. It wasn't a great game, but anyone who actually watches that game and pays attention won't come away from it thinking that he's Saer Sene or Johan Petro.

why dont u go watch the game a 3rd time and then maybe you will realize there is nothing there but a waste of athletic ability.