David Aldridge on Manu Ginobili

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Originally Posted by timvp

Do you think a contract extension would help Manu play better this season?

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He admitted that the topic was in his head before writing that piece (urunobili did a translation of it. It's on that thread), but he basically said he was no longer concerned about that, and that he'll do what's best come June after sitting with Many. I don't know how much of that is self-talk and how much is real. He's the only one that knows. Honestly, I think he's been playing well lately (maybe the Clippers is a game where he didn't play that great), it's just his shot that's not falling and hasn't fallen all season pretty much.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Manu will never find a place as great as SA for him. It's quite dumb from him to whine like that a couple of weeks before the trade deadline. And he should keep a low profile. He has received $19M in 07-08 and 08-09 while he hasn't helped at all Spurs to win a title.

I'm all for Spurs keeping Manu for this year and after it but this attitude doesn't help his cause.

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In 07-08 he helped San Antonio a lot more than pretty much any other Spurs player.

Here's some FO logic from B&B Entreprises:

- If the Spurs have made it clear to Manu that they are not seeing him in "good enough" form to extend his contract, then they obviously do not have confidence that he is "good enough" to be a part of a championship run.
- If the Spurs do not think he is "good enough" to be part of a championship run, they will use Manu's trade weight to get someone that can be part of a championship run.
- If the Spurs simply stay the course and let him go after they are unceremoniously dumped out of the playoffs, then it shows the FO lacks killer instinct after the RJ trade.

Therefore, the Spurs will trade Manu to stop the bleeding and hopefully gain another productive piece instead of trying to sign a replacement in the off-season that ain't worth jack shit. :(

I just wanted to point out that those comments are from last week, when he was talking about that stuff. This isn't any 'new' whining...

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Originally Posted by waly.mg

The question here is:

Why Pop and the Spurs are going to Pay Next Year 15 Millions to Jefferson if they dont want to pay that money for Manu?

The only answer can be: With Jefferson and Manu´s resign and trade, the Spurs can play hard in the Free Agent Market, For example could pay 25-30 Millions to Lebron James, Melo or d Wade in a Sign and Trade.

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Ugh, we're not in the running for any of those guys, put down the crackpipe.

Sounds like he's playing his part, looking ahead to contract negotiations and talking tough.

Timing is weird though.

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Originally Posted by DAF86

In 07-08 he helped San Antonio a lot more than pretty much any other Spurs player.

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The main reason Spurs lost against Lakers was Manu being owned by Sasha freaking Vujacic.

I don't give a fuck if a player is great for a couple of playoffs series. Spurs' goal is to win the championship, not to reach the WCF.

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Originally Posted by adam8065

right, because when Manu is out on the floor he never gives 110%. He is the Laziest Spur around.

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wtf are you talking about... him giving 110% out on the floor has nothing to do with him continously talking about free agency when this team has much bigger problems to deal with then his next contract.

its just simply annoying. we all get he is going to test free agency.. yes, thats too bad, yes that sucks, but thats already set in stone. hes said it 1000 fucking times now. so how about he worries about his team NOW this year.



fucking star studded LEBRON JAMES wont even talk about free agency right now..........

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Originally Posted by Bruno

The main reason Spurs lost against Lakers was Manu being owned by Sasha freaking Vujacic.

I don't give a fuck if a player is great for a couple of playoffs series. Spurs' goal is to win the championship, not to reach the WCF.

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Well in that case Parker has earned like 25+ mill the last two years without helping the Spurs win a championship, Duncan 35+ mill. Thats significantly more than Manu. I mean you cant just say "Manu has earned 19 mill over the last two year w/o bringing a championship" as if he's the highest paid player or as if he's the only reason the Spurs are no longer winning titles.

He was underpaid in his prime, he's being overpayed now in his twilight. The man is looking for a final big paycheck, the Spurs are looking to keep him at a steep discount. Let's see who wins :downspin::toast

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Originally Posted by Bruno

The main reason Spurs lost against Lakers was Manu being owned by Sasha freaking Vujacic.

I don't give a fuck if a player is great for a couple of playoffs series. Spurs' goal is to win the championship, not to reach the WCF.

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He still did something to help the Spurs that season, if he would have done nothing the Spurs wouldn't have made the playoffs let alone the WCF.

What I don't understand is why Manu doesn't assume more responsibility for this situation that he helped create. Basically, he's been rendered unavailable for the past 2 postseasons. I love the guy, but he should look at the big picture here. Of course, it is a business, as he's quickly found out.

Some of you guys are really funny... He got injured in 2008 busting his ass for the Spurs throughout the entire season... He didn't even play ball the summer before...

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Originally Posted by DAF86

He still did something to help the Spurs that season, if he would have done nothing the Spurs wouldn't have made the playoffs let alone the WCF.

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Awesome, let's raise a banner for having reached the playoffs and the WCF.

Spurs' goal is to win a championship. A player who is consistently good is an hundred time more valuable than a player who is great for some games and bad for other ones.

Spurs' hopes to win a championship have ended with a Manu's injury both in 08 and 09. I like Manu but he should shut the fuck up and realizes that he has been paid $19M for not being there when the team needed him the most.

I can't imagine Manu Ginobili in any other jersey than the Spurs or Argentinian team.

It will be a sad day when #20 plays against his team. Hopefully we can resign him for perhaps like the MLE, or 6-7 million, 2 years.

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Originally Posted by elnono

is this new? I mean, sound like the same old quotes from a few months back...

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fify

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Awesome, let's raise a banner for having reached the playoffs and the WCF.

Spurs' goal is to win a championship. A player who is consistently good is an hundred time more valuable than a player who is great for some games and bad for other ones.

Spurs' hopes to win a championship have ended with a Manu's injury both in 08 and 09. I like Manu but he should shut the fuck up and realizes that he has been paid $19M for not being there when the team needed him the most.

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So I guess that 99% of the NBA players don't deserve the money they get 'cause they don't help their teams win champiosnhips, I agree that Manu should STFU but your argument is stupid.

David Aldridge spoke to Manu last week (IIRC in Portland) and asked him about it, and Manu answered his questions.

Manu please STFU..

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Originally Posted by DAF86

So I guess that 99% of the NBA players don't deserve the money they get 'cause they don't help their teams win champiosnhips.

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Well, you guess wrong.

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Originally Posted by baseline bum

I wouldn't extend Jefferson either. Parker's on the right side of 30 and doesn't have a long injury history pointing to his body breaking down like Manu's has. His injury last season wasn't some isolated event. He broke down the year before that too, and he looks like he still hasn't recovered. $11 million for 40% shooting in 27 minutes a night is a rip-off, and if Manu expects that kind of pay to continue, let him walk.

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I agree. If you extend Manu solely on what he has done in the past and not what he will do in the future then championships won't be in the future.

He needs to be evaluated on his current play and the spurs are smart to wait this out.

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Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell

Here's some FO logic from B&B Entreprises:

- If the Spurs have made it clear to Manu that they are not seeing him in "good enough" form to extend his contract, then they obviously do not have confidence that he is "good enough" to be a part of a championship run.
- If the Spurs do not think he is "good enough" to be part of a championship run, they will use Manu's trade weight to get someone that can be part of a championship run.
- If the Spurs simply stay the course and let him go after they are unceremoniously dumped out of the playoffs, then it shows the FO lacks killer instinct after the RJ trade.

Therefore, the Spurs will trade Manu to stop the bleeding and hopefully gain another productive piece instead of trying to sign a replacement in the off-season that ain't worth jack shit. :(

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This would be the best course of action to take.

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Originally Posted by Stringer_Bell

Here's some FO logic from B&B Entreprises:

- If the Spurs have made it clear to Manu that they are not seeing him in "good enough" form to extend his contract, then they obviously do not have confidence that he is "good enough" to be a part of a championship run.
- If the Spurs do not think he is "good enough" to be part of a championship run, they will use Manu's trade weight to get someone that can be part of a championship run.
- If the Spurs simply stay the course and let him go after they are unceremoniously dumped out of the playoffs, then it shows the FO lacks killer instinct after the RJ trade.

Therefore, the Spurs will trade Manu to stop the bleeding and hopefully gain another productive piece instead of trying to sign a replacement in the off-season that ain't worth jack shit. :(

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I expect the Spurs to wait out until right after the trade deadline. If he's not gone, then I'm pretty confident they're going to start talking to his agent about an extension (provided he stays as healthy as he is now). Wether he accepts what the Spurs offer or not, that's a different story. At the very least, I expect a low-ball offer.

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Originally Posted by Bruno

Spurs' hopes to win a championship have ended with a Duncan's injury both in 00 and 06. I like Duncan but he should shut the fuck up and realizes that he has been paid $26M for not being there when the team needed him the most.

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See how easy it is? See how retarded your point is?

Injuries happen. They didn't injure themselves on purpose. Neither wanted to have inuries, and they both wanted to be healthy when the team needed them.
it's just out of their control, period.

whoa easy on the duncan bashing :nope