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dude gets paid 14 million a year and can't make a damn freethrow. Every time he goes to the line I know that at least one of them aint going in. He bitches to much too. I'm sick of him crying to the refs every time he gets bumped. Every time he's "aggressive" it seems he doesn't know what to do with the ball. So he just throws it up and cries so he could get a foul. :rolleyes
jefferson is a disappointment no doubt but he's just a convenient scapegoat for spurs fans. the real problem lies in the continuing declining of the big 3 and the perpetual problem of a serviceable bigman next to duncan. spurs have been declining since ginobili's injury in 2008 and continued in 2009. jefferson's arrival just happens to coincide with 2010, the third year of the spurs' decline.
He doesn't look like he's in great shape.
RJ isn't just a scapegoat...he's freaking a HUGE part of the problem. He was suppose to come in to share the burden of the offense and hold his own on defense. Instead he's done nothing.... We have a 3 headed monster this year:Quote:
Originally Posted by 024
-RJ sucking balls
-Lack of big man for interior D
-POP's erratic coaching
jefferson's stats are respectable for a fourth option. he's scoring 12 points, on 45% FG, 35% 3PT (his career level). he's soft on defense i'll give you that and he's not supposed to be the first, second, or even third option in the fourth quarter. that is reserved for ginobili, parker, and duncan. they are the ones who fail to execute in the fourth quarter. you can't blame the spurs meltdown during competitive games solely on jefferson. it's the big 3's responsibility to carry the team while jefferson chips in, not the other way around.Quote:
Originally Posted by neboat
jefferson is very disappointing but not as disappointing as the spurs' trio, who are no longer a strong enough core to maintain the spurs' contender status.
I agree with you about the big 3, but you're really going soft on Dick here..he's one of the worst defenders on the team, he doesn't do anything else, and it looks like his confidence is now absolutely shattered..he's in a downward spiral..
I don't think anyone is taking on that contract, especially with this upcoming 2010 Off-Season.
Just wondering, how the hell did RJ average 20ppg in Milwuakee? I mean, I know he got a lot more touches, but how did he get the points? Did the coach just give him the green light to do whatever the hell he wanted, and RJ just scored 20ppg, but on a bad FG%? Did he drive the ball a lot or settle for jumpshots?
I don't know, but the thought of RJ being the #1 Option on a team and being productive with 20ppg just makes me laugh now that we see how he is playing this Season.
Yes thats rightQuote:
"Coach said it best: 'We're playing soft,'" Jefferson said. "And that starts with me. I haven't shot the ball well the last 10 or so games."
i'm just trying to say that even though he sucks, he's not the worst of the spurs' problems. even if jefferson was playing at 100%, does anyone really think he can replace what the spurs are missing:Quote:
Originally Posted by HarlemHeat37
ginobili's clutchness/scoring
parker's scoring
duncan's dominance down low
missing link bigman next to duncan
spurs defense
all at the same time? he's just one player and he's no lebron james.
If RJ was playing at 100%, he would help on 3 or 4 things you listed. If RJ was doing his part, the only thing we need is to trade for a big to help Duncan.Quote:
Originally Posted by 024
hmmm... reading that makes me think and miss Bruce even more. How many times did our 4th quarter runs start, or get huge boosts from Bruce knockin down an open 3 in the corner? A LOT!Quote:
Originally Posted by 024
and not just that... any time we're down in the 4th, and we do start hitting some shots, it's like that's such a victory, or took so much effort, that we forget to play defense, and are in turn just trading baskets instead of getting stops... that would have never happened before.
those 3 have been notably less clutch down the stretch this year, but they're missing a big piece of what they do... RJ was supposed to be that... he's not even close. NOT. EVEN. CLOSE.
This is exactly what i hate about Tony's game... your job as the PG is to get some of the guys going, especially in a struggling player who proven to be a capable scorer some touches; by touches it doesn't mean that you have to create for him, but just get him the ball early in the shot clock where theres still time for him to do his thing... doesn't this sound a bit too AI like, having no confidence in your teammate so end up taking a contested J?!?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Dro210
it really surprised me when there was a earlier rumor this year of T. Parker for C. Paul; there were fans on here that were arguing that T. Parker was the better player... he's a good scorer but in the end, he is a very ONE DIMENSIONAL player especially from a PG.
jefferson has never been clutch or a good spot up shooter in his career. he's definitely not the great 3pt clutch shooter bowen was. in fact, he's pretty much useless hanging out at the 3pt line. and he played solid defense like what, 5 years ago? don't that i'm defending jefferson. i'm not. spurs just have bigger problems such as the aging core that can't be fixed unless parts are replaced. it's the spurs fault that they believed parker, duncan, and ginobili can continue to be the first, second, and third option on the team when in reality they can't.
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Originally Posted by bless1187
I agree it's not really the way to play PG, and it's definitely not helping things.... but I'm not gonna be mad at Tony for it. I think they're trying to send a messege.... and basically because I refuse to take Jefferson's side on anything at this point, especially over Tony, lol.
Jefferson in his older age and with out Kidd throwing lobs on fast breaks, has only been a capable scorer with LOTS of touches and LOTS of shots. I remember straight up dropping him from my fantasy team last year even tho he was tearin it up in a lot of stat catagories, because I couldn't deal with his horrid shooting percentage and the amount of shots he was taking while having said percentage. (funny thing is it was very Kobe like.... just less shots/touches.... think about that one.)
yea.... it seems they didn't have a good grasp on this season at all (post defense)... although I think they kind of foolishly expected Jefferson to be able fit right in and step up and be that #2-3 guy when somebody struggles, and even #1 on some nights when he's hot..... and him not being able to do that, or even be close to it, has completely sent everything to hell.Quote:
Originally Posted by 024
I think a Tony Parker for Steve Nash (While obviously being a bad trade in the long run) would be a great trade for the Spurs for the next 2 years. Enough so that'd I'd probably make that trade if Phoenix was willing, just to give Duncan what he deserves.
Don't get me wrong... I love Parker, but I think Nash would rejuvenate a few guys careers (Ginobili, Jefferson and even Mcdyess)
What team says no?
Hmmmm.... I don't know what to say about that right now, it's a scary proposition considering we lose the only guy that is a possible part of our post-TD future, and it all hinges on him being able to make Manu and RJ effective again. I'm a big believer in Nash, but I don't know if I believe in him that much. I also love Tony, think Manu will never be that guy again, and Richard Jefferson makes me sick.... so.....
I think it's about the last place the problem starts, but I can see where you're going with that, and I have to give you props for thinking outside the box on that one.
Although even crazier... I'd be less hesitant to do a Parker + Ginobili or Jefferson, in exchange for Nash + Amare, including whatever other pieces it would take to make it work on either side.
edit: Tried it in the trade machine... lol... Hollinger's not feelin it
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMa...radeId=ylk2vb3
I don't see why the Rockets wouldn't want RJ & Mason for Tmac!
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Originally Posted by GINNNNNNNNNNNNOBILI
A pass first PG who plays no defense would not make RJ stop being such a soft pussy on D.
at this point of time I don't think it's an issue of someone needing to go. Except for the salary Jefferson is doing fine with Spurs and could be quite an efficient guy playing off the bench, but now he's being used as a starter despite his unfitness for the system.
Spurs still hold the old components they used winning championships and I don't think the effects of age could be this significant, it's just a missing piece of defense that makes the Spurs look so weak IMHO. With BB past in history it's really not easy for Spurs to find a decent replacement that also voluntarily sacrifices his personal stats for team's goods. Shane Battier should be a great fit for Spurs and dude plays an identical type of game Bowen did. Battier and Hedo are the ones Spurs need to seek trades for IMHO, for the reasons of defense and offense respectively.
Battier has never missed the NBA playoffs as a professional player in any given year since his first, which dates back to his Memphis days as early as 04-05 season or some.
Honestly Battier is the biggest buoy if not the only one that keeps the Rockets afloat this season with 16 million dollars worth of salary wasted on an abandoned piece of shit. And i believe a transfer to Spurs would be something Battier himself welcomes, since the Rockets are struggling at the edge of playoffs pool and are likely to miss the playoffs for the first time since he joined them.
On behalf of Houston, if the Spurs offer them some decent future potentials and draft picks, it would as well make awesome sense for them to make such a deal rather than keep the 31 year old till 2011.
as to the Spurs, you get a younger version of Bruce Bowen without losing any prominent role. The negotiation might possible be stranded around Tony Blair or George Hill, whom the Rockets are likely to ask for but Spurs definitely won't be glad to lose. the likely deal executed would at least involve either Hill or Blair if not both. Even if it means the loss of both it would still be worth risking IMHO. Anyway I don't think Blair and Hill could be so nice on a rebuilding team as they currently are with Spurs.
Name me one team that wants to pay RJ the remainder of this year and 15 million next year with the way he's playing. Go ahead, I'm waiting. :rolleyesQuote:
Originally Posted by nbaman99
Silly thread. He's not going anywhere. Deal with it.
That was painfully obvious in last nights game. It was like 4 Spurs and RJ out there. He was being froze out from getting the ball unless it was the last resort. The way he was clanking the shots, I could kind of see why.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dro210
Unless he has another level of effort to show this team, I think he would do better from the bench.