Wojnarowski: Spurs’ patience with Jefferson running low

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Because with Hill we have a little better defense, and we did too early in the season with Bogans. You make stops, force turnovers, rebound, then you can run. On our set offense there's no room for RJ other than being a glorified spot up shooter.



I count three plays involving RJ we still run: The first one we saw a month into the season, the alley oop play from the side. The second one is the coming-off-the-screen for a jumpshot (very much like Finley). The third one we saw a couple of games ago, where he passes to Duncan on the block, then goes right under the rim where TD passes back to him. Early in the season we we used to try to post him up, but that went nowhere quick.

Other than that, he's supposed to get his shots as part of the offense. Honestly, when Tony and Tim are in there and it's a set offense, we're just pick-and-rolling everybody to death. I'm not necessarily complaining, but with that style of play, RJ does turn into a younger Michael Finley.

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Pop is not Fuckin Jerry Sloan with all these damn screens on the ball.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

Because with Hill we have a little better defense, and we did too early in the season with Bogans. You make stops, force turnovers, rebound, then you can run. On our set offense there's no room for RJ other than being a glorified spot up shooter.

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When RJ is on the floor with Hill and/or Bogans, those two outrun him.

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Originally Posted by ElNono

I count three plays involving RJ we still run: The first one we saw a month into the season, the alley oop play from the side. The second one is the coming-off-the-screen for a jumpshot (very much like Finley). The third one we saw a couple of games ago, where he passes to Duncan on the block, then goes right under the rim where TD passes back to him. Early in the season we we used to try to post him up, but that went nowhere quick.

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Pop will also call iso plays for RJ. No one on else on the team gets iso plays.

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Originally Posted by coachmac87

Pop is not Fuckin Jerry Sloan with all these damn screens on the ball.

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Well, execution has a lot to do with it.

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Originally Posted by timvp

When RJ is on the floor with Hill and/or Bogans, those two outrun him.

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What are you basing this on? Fastbreak points? I mean, I know Hill can run, but he's the one normally forcing the turnover. Bogans is a mystery really. I do know what you mean, because I recall him being always there on the break.

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Originally Posted by timvp

Pop will also call iso plays for RJ. No one on else on the team gets iso plays.

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When Tim and Tony are in there with him? The only time I recall us playing straight up ISOs are Manu and Tony at the end of quarters. Otherwise, a screen is almost always involved.

A screen has to be involved with Jefferson..he was getting same kind of looks in Milwaukee..he doesn't have the handles to consistently beat people off the dribble since he no longer has the same athleticism to blow by them consistently..

He's gotten A LOT of good looks in these last 2 games and he isn't making use of them..his usage % has went up by 3% in the last month or so..he's getting touches, he just isn't producing..

You can't blame Pop when RJ misses wide open jumpshots or doesn't make the most out of his touches, but I think RJ has found himself in a role he doesn't relish. All he wants is the team to win, we can tell that much, but he can't establish a rhythm for some reason.

Well, I look at the Lakers game, and he's taken pretty much as many shots (9) as Hill(8). Blair had more attempts than him (11) in 15 less minutes. These are all role players.

RJ looks most comfortable when he catches the ball at about 20 feet, takes a few dribbles and then shoots a long two-pointer. He sucks in the pick-and-roll and is iffy in catch-and-shoot situations.

The other situation where he excels is when he catches it out on the perimeter and the defender closes out too hard. RJ will then drive to the paint. The problem is other teams have figured it out and aren't closing out as hard anymore.



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RJ is also bad as a postup player. I never saw him on the low blocks too often in his career. When Pop and RC were talking about that aspect of his game, I questioned how much they actually watched him over the years . . .

hey guys. what do you think of more pick and rolls with RJ and Manu? i think it might be the only way to get him to the basket on a consistent basis

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Originally Posted by timvp

RJ looks most comfortable when he catches the ball at about 20 feet, takes a few dribbles and then shoots a long two-pointer. He sucks in the pick-and-roll and is iffy in catch-and-shoot situations.

The other situation where he excels is when he catches it out on the perimeter and the defender closes out too hard. RJ will then drive to the paint. The problem is other teams have figured it out and aren't closing out as hard anymore.

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Agree. And I thought his jumper was a lot better than what it's been. But that might be part of the mental wear and tear.

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Originally Posted by timvp

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RJ is also bad as a postup player. I never saw him on the low blocks too often in his career. When Pop and RC were talking about that aspect of his game, I questioned how much they actually watched him over the years . . .

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Yep. We sure ran away quickly from that after the turnover-fest early in the season. I also questioned what he saw on Richard as a defender. He's been lazy on that end for a long while now. My rationale back then was: Well, he's more athletic than Finley, so with a little effort he can't be worse. I;m eating my words right now. I don't want Finley out there either, but goddamn he's playing harder than Richard on defense.

I thought RJ had some good post moves this season when we got him the ball in the right position and with the right matchups. Especially small-ball - he has basically ran past a bigger man and finished well a few times this season.

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Originally Posted by z0sa

You can't blame Pop when RJ misses wide open jumpshots or doesn't make the most out of his touches, but I think RJ has found himself in a role he doesn't relish. All he wants is the team to win, we can tell that much, but he can't establish a rhythm for some reason.

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He shouldn't be taking jump shots at all. He's never been a perimeter jump shooter. He needs to take the ball to basket every time he touches the ball. When he doesn't have the ball, he just stands around the three point arc with very little to no movement. 3 months into the season, and he still has no clue on offense.

Every player on the Spurs roster needs a 'Bitchslap' from every player. Then they all need to turn around and give Pop & RJ double 'Bitchslaps'. Then when finished they can all pull their head's out of their asses and start playing Spurs ball and stop this girlieboy shit they are presently playing.

Man the F*ck Up Spurs!!! :ihit

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Originally Posted by SouthTexasRancher

Every player on the Spurs roster needs a 'Bitchslap' from every player. Then they all need to turn around and give Pop & RJ double 'Bitchslaps'. Then when finished they can all pull their head's out of their asses and start playing Spurs ball and stop this girlieboy shit they are presently playing.

Man the F*ck Up Spurs!!! :ihit

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I'll give em triple bitchslaps after that with no anti-quitsies. :lol

Harry: You're it.
Lloyd: You're it, quitsies!
Harry: Anti-quitsies, you're it, quitsies, no anti-quitsies, no startsies!
Lloyd: You can't do that!
Harry: Can too!
Lloyd: Cannot, stamp it!
Harry: Can too, double stamp it, no erasies!
Lloyd: Cannot, triple stamp, no erasies, Touch blue make it true.
Harry: No, you can't do that... you can't triple stamp a double stamp, you can't triple stamp a double stamp! Lloyd!
Lloyd: [hands over ears] LA LA LA LA LA LA!
Harry: LLOYD! LLOYD! LLOYD!
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Originally Posted by alchemist

troubling article, looks like the team has tuned him out.

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Pop has said before that when a team tunes the coach out, which Pop says happens eventually, and which he put at a few years, it's time for the coach to go.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/bal...urn=nba,192853

I cant believe we have the 6th best SF of the last decade and he cant do anything close to what he used to.Come on RJ!Wake up!

That list is absolutely horrible..

No kidding. Joe Johnson, small forward? RJ > Iggy?